Here's the letter our senator was kept from reading on the floor of the Senate. At least treatment of Massachusetts senators has improved over the years.
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What you're doing is called "evading the question"
By lbb
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 8:28am
So, you don't actually know anything. You're completely ignorant, and the only reason for your presence here is to keep repeating "Caucasian Indian", like a particularly stupid child who's just learned a dirty word and wants to rile up the grownups. Did you learn that from your fuehrer, Benito Dorito, who referred to her as "the Indian"?
More ridiculous comments from you...
By Doug1001
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 12:06pm
Here's another thought... you have real trouble with simple concepts so we will go slow. Is it a requirement to hear someone's voice in order to comprehend what was said? I've read written transcripts of what people have said off and on for years....I didn't look for the actual footage every single time. That makes me ignorant?
Have you ever just read quotes that were attributed to someone or did you have to find video footage in order to avoid being viewed as ignorant? That was a good rant, your conclusions are astounding... classic stuff.
Everyone knows she's the Fake Indian, it's been out there for years I didn't just hear that recently. Shes a white woman that "identifies" as Indian... btw, Obama already has a copyright on the term "The Fuhrer"
Manners over justice?
By Grant Young
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 11:34am
Valuing manners over justice is how discrimination gets perpetuated and the status quo is reinforced. The Senate's collegiality is an anti-democratic farce.
I think Senator McConnell kind of proved the point.
Using the rules like that is not a good look.
She persisted
By Kaz
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 1:00pm
[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL7nLSSSWjw[/youtube]
I think it's worth it to note
By elcie
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 3:54pm
that calling a racist a racist citing material from the wife of arguably the most famous figure in civil rights, does not represent an instance of "impugning his character". The purpose of these hearings is to discover whether the candidate is the correct person for the job. In a role that is supposed to be based solely on the rule of law, in which "all men are created equal", in which everyone is subject to the same rules, rights, restrictions... I think it's SUPER important to note a.) times in the past when this nominee has made it quite plain that he DOESN'T view everyone as equal and will likely not treat all people as such and b.) just plain said some really racist stuff. If Senator Warren isn't within her right to get up in front of the senate and point out, ONCE AGAIN his very, very obvious shortcomings for the role... what is the purpose of having hearings at all? That's due diligence. Because it proves he's not suited to the job of being impartial.
If a nominee's "character" is being "impugned" by restating actual facts, things that have HAPPENED, things that he's SAID... are we no longer allowed to point out the obvious? Do facts and past actions have any validity?
What's more, and what I think should be discussed further, is that once she was censured, other excerpts of the letter were allowed to be read by Senator Merkley without any repercussion.
The problem here for me is twofold: pointing out the incredible shortcomings of a cabinet nominee whose past behavior and actions would make him unsuitable for the job is something breaking the rules, and the fact that someone else, doing nearly the same thing, who was a man (don't bother coming at me with your misogynistic bs replies, I can't deal with children today) isn't censured for his behavior.
If our elected officials aren't allowed to ensure that we as citizens have the best and most upstanding people ON OUR BEHALF, (few of whom are completely sparkly clean and without reproach, I KNOW) if they are not allowed to challenge the veracity of a person's background and character, why do we have an appointment process to begin with? Let's just say that Elizabeth Warren is out of line for calling a racist a racist (because she's been one of the loudest voices in opposition to this administration, and they're sick of it; it's quite transparent), and let Trump appoint whoever the hell he wants!
And whether she did what she said she'd do on the banking task force, blah, blah, blah (and it's stunning how many people want to talk about bills being passed who don't have any idea how bills are passed), that's completely tertiary to the main point which is SHE STOOD UP AND CALLED A RACIST A RACIST AND WAS ESSENTIALLY TOLD TO SHUT UP.
I think it's also worth it to note.....
By Doug1001
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 12:55am
Go see what Dr. Alveda King had to say about Warren's performance today. She's also related to "arguably the most famous figure in civil rights" and had the complete opposite view.....Warren is a fraud.
How about ...
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 12:56am
You cough up a citation on that?
Alveda King is a Trumpkin
By lbb
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 8:39am
For what it's worth, here's a citation of Alveda King's statement. She is a long-standing member of the religious right, an anti-choice activist, a supporter of Herman Cain who asserted without possible proof that he was not guilty of sexual harassment, and a Trumpkin. I think we can ascribe motivations other than family feeling and love of truth to her statement.
Asserted without proof that he was not guilty?
By Waquiot
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 11:26am
Did you really just write that someone is guilty until proven otherwise?
King is a Trumpkin
By Doug1001
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 3:57pm
So unless a member of the King family parrots the liberal nonsense that we see every day, their commentary should be discounted and they should be ridiculed.
Your logic is always sound....God bless.
Google.....
By Doug1001
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 3:54pm
Why is it so difficult for you to look on google and search through the various left and right wing news sources.
You seem to know everything about everything except how to use google.
I'll start posting the links for you in the future I guess.
The epitome of racism is falsely claiming Native Am. status
By O-FISH-L
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 4:47pm
The epitome of racism is falsely claiming Native American status. Blonde haired, blue eyed, Elizabeth Warren is a disgrace for claiming minority benefits, especially when her far-left supporters are only able to find a 1/32 chance. A $6 million mansion in Cambridge, claiming poverty while driving a rare, British MG convertible in high school (one of her three cars then), buying houses from poor, confused elderly and flipping them for significant profit, $350,000 for teaching one class at Harvard, plagiarized Crab Cake Omelette in Native cookbook "Pow Wow Chow" and more. Great to see Warren as a leader of what's left of today's Democrat party.
Warren, like her party, is the face of fraud. It was nice to see the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. say that Warren is playing the race card. After all, as a "woman of color" Warren prevented real minority women from getting her jobs. Even the 1980's Boston Fire Department fired the infamous Malone brothers (white) for checking the minority box.
BINGO!
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 7:21pm
I have faux outrage Warren hate BINGO!
I heard a great rumor, Fishy. One you will LOVE! I heard that Liz Warren's Social Security Number does not match her state of birth! OMG TERRORIST!
BTW - I worked at Harvard. The system does not work like your fevered talkingpoints addled imagination tells you it does. Not that you let reality or truth ever get in your way ...
Prove your statements
By Dave-from-Boston
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 9:29pm
Your have made many statements that are false. Cite your specific source for each of them. When you don't, it will be your confirmation that you are a liar of immeasurable proportions
You can't convince an idiot with facts,
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 2:13am
like the fact that Liz's claim to native heritage happened well after she was hired, so couldn't have been an affirmative-action factor in her hiring.
My grandmother told me I have native blood, and it's something I have attested to with pride my whole life, as happens with hundreds of thousands of Americans, even though all we have in the way of proof is some relative's anecdote. If I were asked about it on a questionnaire for an employee directory some months after being hired for my job, as Liz did, I might have checked that box, too. Most of us don't question that family lore, and until recently, there wasn't a cheap, easy way to test it. One of my siblings did the DNA spit test: yep, it's there. (We can still only speculate on why Second Cousin Frankie disappeared for a few years: jail time in Nevada is the consensus. That one is a bad seed.)
Only the GOP, with its long history of screwing over natives, could have the gall to blow this up into the kind of fake scandal that they have. My favorite bit of hilarious red-faced rightie outrage: the plagiarized recipe! That's practically terrorism! Newsflash, you ludicrous putzes: there are no original recipes in employee cookbooks.
I was never happier than when Spanking-New-Barn-Coat Scottie Brown went down in flames against Warren for flogging that ridiculous lie. You can fool some morons a lot of the time, but the majority of MA voters know hateful, transparent desperation when they see it.
As for asserting that a white person claiming some native ancestry, even if it turns out to be another example of the most common dubious family myth in the country (according to American genealogical researchers, who note that it is especially prevalent in Warren's home state of Oklahoma), is somehow racism? That word: I do not think it means what you think it means.
Warren believed what her parents and grandparents told her, but regardless of whether it's a folk tale or reality, it didn't help her career at Harvard. Them's the facts.
I was just thinking to myself
By Sock_Puppet
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 6:16am
'Gosh, self, I wonder what the epitome of racism is..."
It could be the KKK lyching thousands of black men from trees. Nah.
Perhaps Jim Crow and the system of American apartheid? Nah.
It could be the Founding Fathers agreeing that black slaves don't count as people, not quite. They count as 3/5ths of a person for their states, but only the white guys get to vote that share. Nah.
It could be apartheid in South Africa. Nah.
It could be Adolf Hitler and the Final Solution. Nah.
How about King Ludwig and his exploitation of the Congo, resulting in the mutilation and murder of millions? Nah. None of these is quite enough of an epitome.
I've got it. I'm going to go with Elizabeth Warren checking the box for Native American descent on an employee survey. Yeah, that's definitely it. The Epitome of Racism. Yup, right yar.
Time to give it up cons.
By anon
Wed, 02/08/2017 - 6:04pm
Even Baker is siding with Warren on this one.
https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/02/08/charl...
Counterarguments to invoking Rule. Senate Parliamentarian
By theszak
Thu, 02/09/2017 - 3:06pm
Looking for ideas, hints, tips, pointers about potential counterarguments... besides a) waiting for a forthcoming Election or b) persuading the Presiding Officer to check with the Senate Parliamentarian whether or not the invoking Senate Rule IX s 2 actually does or doesn't apply to current Proceedings.
Along lines of Appeal there are legal counterarguments to an invocation of Senate Rule IX s 2. "2. No Senator in debate shall, directly or indirectly, by any form of words impute to another Senator or to other Senators any conduct or motive unworthy or unbecoming a Senator." https://www.senate.gov/reference/reference_index_s...
Office of the Parliamentarian of the Senate
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parliamentarian_of_t...
Alternative Rules
http://ur1.ca/qghnx
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert%27s_Rules_of_...
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