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We just don't have enough good places to store a carriage these days
By adamg on Wed, 02/22/2017 - 11:02am
The folks at the Boston City Archives wonder if you can place this photo. See it larger.
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2000 Washington St?
Now a school bus yard.
Has to be that or Comm, right?
If you look at the image full scale
There is no mystery :(
Says Washington St along the track - the second one from the photographer.
And I am having a little trouble reading the date, but I believe it says Mar 4 1899.
EDIT: I cheated a bit in that the image Adam posted doesn't even have the date in it.
Also there is something written in lower left corner, but I haven't made to effort to see if I can change the contrast enough to read it.
2000 Washington Street
2000 Washington Street
Which Washington Street,
Which Washington Street, though?
It would have to be Roxbury's Washington Street
The highest-numbered address on Dorchester's Washington Street, in Lower Mills, is Flat Black Coffee at 1170. Washington Street in Brighton doesn't get past the 700s before it crosses into Newton.
The other long street I thought of was Blue Hill Avenue, but the last address in Mattapan appears to be Domino's Pizza at 1672. Hyde Park Avenue ends in residential Readville with addresses in the 1900s.
Hence my comm-ent
That it's gotta be Washington or Comm (2000 Washington is 02118/South End), since they're the only streets that go up that high.
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I'll say Dot Ave
There could only be 2 streets with the number 2000 in Boston. Okay, Comm Ave, but that ain't Comm Ave.
Anyway, what are the statutory requirements of the stenographer's records? Aren't they technically private? I don't know either way, but after years of researching the subject, you know, right?
2000 Dot Ave has always been woods or a house lot.
It has never been as developed as this site. Hate to say it but Flounder Q Law up above is right. It is Washington Street in Roxbury. I just think it is funny 120 years later this site is still used for carriage, now bus storage.
I stand corrected
About the Dot Ave thing. The jury is still out on stenographers records.
It is 2000 Comm Av
It is 2000 Comm Av
http://www.coachbuilt.com/bui/w/walker/walker.htm
Not 2000 Comm. Ave.
The article you linked to says "a shop in the middle of Boston’s automobile row, which was located on Commonwealth Ave. near Fenway Park". Those old Auto Mile addresses are between 500 and 1100, with the 500 addresses being the closest to Fenway Park, while 1100 is around Packard's Corner.
2000 Commonwealth Avenue is far west of the old Auto Mile, near the Chestnut Hill reservoir, almost all the way to Boston College.
2000 Comm Ave
Is (or at least at one time was) a dorm for Boston College.
Date: some time between 1898 and 1903
One of the four theatre advertisements in the photo is for the Boston Museum, which closed in 1903.
The poster advertises Because She Loved Him So which opened on Broadway in New York City in January, 1899. I don't know if the Boston Museum show was a pre-Broadway tryout or a post-Broadway tour.
...and Hollis Street Theatre
Hollis Street was extant until the 1980s or 90s. It is now buried under new construction, possibly Tufts Medical Center if memory serves.
Hollis Street
The street might have stayed around that long, but the theatre closed in 1935.
Photos For The Elevated
This is part of the series of photos that were taken for the development of the elevated down Washington Street in 1900-1901.
I'm going to guess Newbury
I'm going to guess Newbury street. That's where a lot of the carriage houses were. Possibly near the big parking garage there.
Clearly not Newbury based on a lot of other clues...
but yes indeed, upper Newbury did have a lot of carriage houses, and the evidence can still be seen today through all the curb-cuts at the sidewalk leading to archways now converted to doorways in the buildings.
I do wonder why the city has continued to keep those curb cuts in place so many years after they became obsolete. Were the curbs never replaced? Or is there a legal reason the accessways need to be kept? Clearly the city no longer considers them active driveways, as parking is allowed in those places.
An Interesting Site...
The buildings in the photograph are the former carhouse and stables of the Metropolitan Railroad. This had been their so-called Boston Neck Stables. Just out of frame is the Boston-Roxbury boundary stone and, in former times, the start of The Neck. A little stump of the marker still exists with the date of erection: 1823. The West End Street Railway acquired all the Metropolitan property (along with that of the other horse railroads) in 1887 and quickly realized much of the rolling stock and property was in poor shape. Boston Neck was not deemed worthy of electrifying but was structurally sound enough to lease out. The property was vacant by 1915 but still owned by BERy. (A special act of 1911 combined the then paper corporation West End into BERy.)
A few blocks to the north on East Lenox Street was an old omnibus stable acquired in December 1889 when the legendary Jacob H. Hathorne finally sold his crosstown omnibus line to the West End. The property was used for storage for a few subsequent years and the West End horse sale (c.f. the T sale of old buses for scrap) of 1893 seemed to be the last major use for the site.
Thanks for the historical
Thanks for the historical background! Where exactly is the stump of the boundary marker? Can it be seen on Google Maps?
2000 Washington; Nov 1899
I would guess somewhere in the range of November 15-30, 1899.
All the show ads line up in the November 24, 1899 Boston Post:
and
https://newspaperarchive.com/us/massachusetts/boston/boston-daily-globe/...
November 4th, 1899
The Boston Globe
2nd column from the right
Amusement Notes
16th paragraph down
and
https://newspaperarchive.com/us/massachusetts/boston/boston-daily-globe/...
November 4th, 1899
The Boston Globe
2nd column from the right
Amusement Notes
16th paragraph down
The date on the photo is
November 21, 1899, which is when those shows were playing
in Boston Theaters.
The Answer!
Thanks for playing folks! This is indeed 2000 Washington Street. The date is November 21, 1899
Please preserve historic Steno Records of City Council !
Hey Boston City Archives! Please preserve historic Stenographic Records of Public Meetings of Boston City Council !
http://paper.li/RAINbyte/rainbyte
New staff are needed with up to date knowledge of hardware and software for digitizing Council Public Records.
According to Commonwealth of Massachusetts Records Management http://www.sec.state.ma.us/arc/arcrmu/rmuidx.htm the City Stenographer shouldn't remove from City Hall the original Stenography recorded during the Public Meeting of Boston City Council. A copy should be used for editing. The original should remain at City Hall.
Article 2.3 of City Contract for Stenographic Services provides all materials are City Property.
"Article 2 -- Performance: ...
"2.3 City is entitled to ownership and possession of all deliverables purchased or developed with Contract funds.
"All work papers, reports, questionnaires and other written materials prepared or collected by the Contractor in the course of completing the work to be performed under this Contract shall at all times be the exclusive property of the City.
"The Contractor shall not use such materials for any purposes other than the purpose of this Contract without the prior written consent of the Official.
"All Contractor proprietary rights shall be detailed in the Contract Documents..."