Rally to save DACA kids

How Republicans are extorting Trump into deporting 800,000 young people..phasing out DACA wasn’t Trump’s idea. Rather, the bulk of the blame for killing DACA will fall on the Republican Party.

President Barack Obama introduced DACA, or Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals, in 2012 after Congress failed to pass the DREAM (Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors) Act. DACA-eligible individuals receive a two-year renewable deportation deferral and are permitted to live and work in the United States. The policy reflected Obama’s interpretation of current federal law, which directs the executive branch to establish “national immigration enforcement policies and priorities”—a reasonable grant of power since the government cannot deport everyone at once. With DACA, Obama simply deprioritized the deportation of one group of immigrants.

DACA has not been litigated by any high court. It is an unsubstantiated to claim to say it is illegal but it is a good talking point for those creating a sense of urgency to end the program.

Sen Warren on DACA and passing the Dream Act

By Anonymous
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 7:46pm

Senator Elizabeth Warren speaks on the Senate floor about the Trump Administration's decision to end the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program and about the importance of passing the Dream Act, today, September 6, 2017.

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UniteTheRally in Charlottesville August 19

By Anonymous
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 7:48pm

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Blame McConnell, not Obama

By ckd
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:05am

Congress didn't act in 2010, because the bill was filibustered in the Senate by the Republicans.

If Congress "doesn't act"

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:11am

If Congress "doesn't act" that doesn't give the president cart blanche to do what he wants.

Yes, let's blame congress for

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:12am

Yes, let's blame congress for following the legislative process according to the constitution instead of a president for overstepping their delegated powers.

I find it sad how some people are all for tearing up the separation of powers and abolishing federalism until their party loses control of the White House. They suddenly they develop an appreciation for checks and balances as soon as the shoe is on the other foot and potentially coming down on their necks rather than those of their opposition.

"Overstepping their (sic) delegated powers"

By Pete X
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 2:07pm

You swarm of anonymice keep saying that, yet I don't think you know what that means. The constitution is still in effect, as is the principle of judicial review.

If Obama's executive order enabling DACA was so

By roadman
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 6:06am

unconstitutional, then why wasn't it challenged as such when it was enacted?

So you're saying

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:17am

McConnell's inaction justifies a constitution overreach, by a president with a degree in constitutional law.

That called a dictatorship.

Ridiculous Statement and False

By Pete X
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 12:23pm

Y'all are acting like there's not a judicial branch to the US government. They can review executive orders too, anonymouse.

Overreach?

By ckd
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 12:57pm

What if he had just pardoned them all? The current executive branch seems to think the pardon power is unlimited.

Can't pardon what technically

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 2:15pm

Can't pardon what technically isn't a crime.

Oh don't go there

By lbb
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 4:53pm

Can't pardon what technically isn't a crime.

Since you're such a legal whiz, please explain how you can pardon someone who hasn't been sentenced. Oh wait, Gerry Ford, another upstanding example of the rule of law...

Actually, that heinous Arpaio hadn't been sentenced yet.

By CopleyScott17
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:54am

So apparently it can be done.

Whizzzzz

By lbb
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:55am

That's the sound of the point flying by your head.

Pretty sure Obama is the one

By piscis
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:43am

Pretty sure Obama is the one who implemented DACA in 2012.

Pro Tip

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:45am

Embedded links are highlighted in blue, as in ckd's post.

Most came before they were 5 years old

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:07am

If that answers your question.

It really shouldn't matter - they were raised here, their parents paid taxes here, they were educated here, and their contributions to our society as law abiding, taxpaying residents are hampered only by this ongoing grandstanding bullcrap that damages ALL of us.

if parents were illegal, how

By Patricia-can't ...
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 3:12pm

if parents were illegal, how did they pay taxes? They couldn't hold a legitimate job, most are under the table - cash jobs.

How did they pay taxes? Forget sales tax since that's not assumed...

Stop playing dumb

By lbb
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 4:56pm

Pretty sure this has all been explained to you before, but I don't expect that will stop you from playing dumb next time either.

Sounds like you're a fan of fake SS cards...

By Doug1001
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 10:32pm

Not surprising.....

If you'd kept reading, you

By Sid
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:01pm

If you'd kept reading, you would have gotten to the part of the article that explains how fake SS numbers are no longer necessary to pay Federal taxes, and that undocumented workers are opting to apply for ITINs with which to pay their taxes precisely to start a paper-trail that helps with becoming documented.

https://www.irs.gov/individuals/individual-taxpaye...

I kept reading and I know what an ITIN is...

By Doug1001
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:54pm

Should we ignore the theft of fake SS numbers by people who are here illegally or should that matter somewhere? You quickly swept that under the rug - by the way, the ITIN commentary appears 6 paragraphs after speaking of how illegals present fake SS cards to their employers.....maybe the ITIN discussion offsets stealing SS numbers though...not sure.

OK, Mr. Law and Order

By lbb
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 10:26am

Can you point to any harm done by these fake SSN numbers? Oh wait, it means that people that you think are undeserving and that you label as "illegals" can't get jobs and pay taxes, and you HATE that. All good then!

Oh, I don't know...maybe because it's illegal?

By Doug1001
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 2:37pm

Why don't you go around and give your SSN out to people who need it? People who don't have one would greatly appreciate the gesture, what harm would it do, right?

It's not that they're bad people, it's that they came here illegally. Is there a legal/illegal way to come into the country or did I make that up?

Your approach is confusing. Let's pick and choose which laws to obey then, Mr. Law and Order....sound good?

Update/Breaking News

By Doug1001
Thu, 09/07/2017 - 6:08pm

Just saw this on my newsfeed.....should be cause for a celebration, right? Think of all the dreamers that will be positively affected! Do you want to meet for a few beers before the Patriots game tonight or maybe after work tomorrow?

Let me know - I'm around

#BREAKING: Credit monitoring company Equifax says breach exposed social security numbers and other data from 143 million Americans.

ya, what you linked to is

By Patricia-can't ...
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:13am

ya, what you linked to is actually worse.

Great, your kid goes to buy a first car, rent an apartment, buy a house, take out a student loan and viola! Your social has already been used!

Happened to someone I know whose son was 5.

Ya, that's not helping your argument.

Here's a tip

By anon
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:39am

Next time READ THE ARTICLE.

You are a real hateful and spiteful piece of work, aren't you? If your kids can't compete with DACA kids, well, it ain't their legal status but bad genes.

Out of curiosity

By spin_o_rama
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:20am

Why the quotes around the word child?

Easy

By Waquiot
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:50am

Because they might have come to the US as children, that doesn't mean they are children now. Some have college degrees. Some are even doing postgrad work.

I will always be my mother's child, as my son will always be my child, but I am no longer a child by any stretch of the imagination to the bigger world, being the father of a 4 year old being proof of that.

It's politics, and though I

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 1:20pm

It's politics, and though I am personally opposed to DACA, it makes perfect sense that Obama declared it with a Republican congress opposed to passing any change to immigration law, also because of politics.

Anti-Trumpers, though, ought to recognize that Trump pulling the trigger on the issue is a good thing. If he didn't, and Democrats win the House or Senate in 2018, then real reform of immigration law and policy would be a lot less likely to happen, and we'd have several more years of limbo.

Average age of DACA child? Ask the Mayor of Lynn!

By O-FISH-L
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 2:41pm

The mayor of Lynn, Mass. says that some of the illegal aliens from Guatemala who are enrolled in her city’s public schools are adults with graying hair and “more wrinkles than I have.”

When men in leather jackets with mustaches and graying hair are signing up for kindergarten, there's a problem. Unfortunately under Obama, the schools were forbidden to ask their age.

Tell us all about your visit to Mar a Lago

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 2:48pm

We are all dying to hear about it.

Hopefully you will be invited to keep an eye on the place this coming weekend?

That's a different universe

By Waquiot
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 3:28pm

And you know that.

Those are asylum seekers, who I will agree should probably have been vetted better.

The mayor is a liar

By Kaz
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 4:31pm

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/dana-milba...

But upon closer inspection, Kennedy’s tale of woe doesn’t quite add up. Those kids with wrinkles and gray hair? She admitted she hadn’t seen them herself. And the “surge” of unaccompanied minors Kennedy has felt? It predates the actual surge at the border, which has been building for a couple of years but exploded only in 2014.

CNSNews is not a trustable news source. I hope you choose better in the future.

average age they arrived

By Sharon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 3:49pm

average age they arrived in the US: 6 yrs old. So some DACA recipients have no memory of any other place than here.

Most of the Limousine Liberals

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 4:25pm

On this site aren't from Boston, did that scare them away from gentrifying every neighborhood? People move out of town, state and country EVERYDAY its not that scary.

Do you understand what an oxymoron is?

By adamg
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 6:29pm

How can "limousine liberals" gentrify neighborhoods they don't live in? Do you people even stop to think before typing in the phrases you have scrawled on the slips of paper taped to your monitor?

shape the debate

By Anonymous
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 11:01am

We had forewarning in the news about Trump making a decision on DACA repeal. Do you think an anon was assigned to post on universalhub to shape the debate? Can you tell from their IP where they work?

let us know

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 9:03pm

Which gang took over your neighborhood, killed your family, and threatened you.

And how it's not scary.

Educate yourself and find some humanity and empathy along the way.

No, of course they are not children

By BethC
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 3:58pm

And that's not the point. The reason most people (at least those with a heart) sympathize with them is that they were brought to this country as children, many as young children. It's what they know. Sending people "home" to a place where they may not even speak the language, or be familiar with the culture, would be disconcerting and difficult. Imagine being sent back to a country that is foreign to you when you were in your 20's, raised and educated in the U.S.

This is the right way to look

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 5:03pm

This is the right way to look at it. And consider this: many of the immigrants here (your neighbors, coworkers, friends) fled perilous situations in their home countries out of fear for their safety and the safety of their young children. The prospect of these now-grown children being sent back is far more dire than just confusion over language and local customs, especially for immigrants from many parts of Central America.

My sympathy

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 5:21pm

only goes so far, and having a sitting president violate the constitution is well beyond that point.

Are you sympathetic to US businesses?

By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 7:29pm

It will take millions of dollars to replace these people - because the labor market for the things many of them do for a living is so tight that we have a special visa category for people who do that work.

https://www.marketplace.org/shows/marketplace/0905..., scroll down to "Dreamers Aren't Taking Jobs"

Am I sympathetic to US businesses?

By Westie
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 7:57pm

Larry Ellison, Mark Zuckerberg, Tim Cook, Jeff Bezos?

In a word: NO.

"Unconstitutional"

By Pete X
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 8:19pm

Again, you moronically repeat the talking point that DACA is somehow unconstitutional. It has not been ruled so. If it was unconstitutional, it would've been overturned sometime in the past five years. Don't be an idiotic talking point spouting anonymouse. Use your brain, make a valid argument, and stand behind it. Otherwise, you're just another worthless internet troll.

But you're ok...

By lbb
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 11:01am

...with an executive order banning Muslims, and a pardon of a completely unrepentant criminal who has not served a day in prison?

Disconcerting?

By Stevil
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 5:44pm

Isn't that exactly what their parents did only in reverse?

I have sympathy for these kids. Not their fault.

But serious slippery slope giving every parent the hope that if they can hide long enough, their kids get to stay here.

Hopefully there's a middle ground, but effective amnesty raises serious issues of moral hazard.

And as someone who lived in foreign countries much of my 20s and 30s, not that big a deal. They may have other problems, but they'll get over the language and culture.

oh of course

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 9:10pm

Because you got to choose to be a privileged expat, you know exactly what its like, right?

Getting shipped off to a country you dont know, with no support network, no knowledge of the language or the various threats to your life and livelihood (or did you think their parents gave up everything to come here just for the fun of it and "back home" is just a super place to be?) is real different than backpacking gap years.

They shouldn't have to "get over" the language and culture (ps, huge things, weird that you would be so glib about them), they're Americans. Period. For way too many of them, this is equivalent to shipping them off to die. It's unfortunate that.you're OK with that.

Shipping them off to die

By Stevil
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 10:41pm

Seriously overdramatic Anonawhackjob?

Their parents did a stupid thing and put their kids in jeopardy of this. Not the kids' fault, but not acceptable either.

If they are in true danger, apply for asylum.

And yes, get over it. Don't want to go where your parents came from, go to Canada and reapply (one avenue where we can give preferential treatment perhaps).

Blame their parents, not our govt (who should start enforcing these laws mor rigorously)

This is not rocket science. I would venture that 100% of the parents knew what they were doing.

And PS - they're not Americans until they get citizenship.

Nope

By Kaz
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 10:54pm

Blame their parents?

Sorry, that boat has sailed. I blame you for being an uncaring asshole.

Did they win the amnesty lottery by being brought here as a child and become a useful member of our society? Maybe. Is that fair? Nope, but you don't make it any more fair by trying to shove water uphill in sending them out of the country now. Maybe your focus should be on making it easier for people to come here in the first place. That would be more fair.

Sorry to have offended your progressive oversensibilities

By Stevil
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 11:27pm

So by your legal eagle analysis, if some mafiosas kid turns up with the paintings stolen from the Gardner museum, s/he gets to keep them or the proceeds of selling them.

It's not about caring. It's about the law and until it changes they are now illegal immigrants.

Period. There is no debate.

Stuffing shit into my mouth

By Kaz
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 8:54am

If I wanted a turd sandwich, I'd ask your opinion on school funding. Don't stuff shit into my mouth and tell me what my argument is.

Until overstaying a visa or crossing the border is a criminal offense, there's a huge difference between Grand Theft Arto and a DACA recipient.

It is ALWAYS about caring. The law is a tool not a weapon. You think you'd be more familiar given that you're a tool as well.

Also, people that say things like "no debate" need to have a come to Jesus moment with why they then choose to participate in an open forum.

Yes - and you'll like it too

By Stevil
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:44am

I'll avoid digression by simply saying that even per Richard Stutman, head of the BTU, Boston's schools have been overfunded for almost 10 years.

thank you for your lovely ad hominems. Considering the source, it's a compliment.

If we cared that much, we'd just open the borders. And I've said repeatedly, I get the empathy here - as you said, it's not fair. But you are in dangerous waters permitting someone to benefit as a result of someone else breaking the law. there are LONG, LONG waiting lines to get into this country - and if you can sneak in and avoid detection and then at least your kid gets to jump to the front of the line - how is that fair? How is that caring for the people playing by the rules?

I agree - I think Congress should do something to consider the situation. No idea what that is and I don't really get a say (like they'd care about some email I sent). You can't run the country on emotion. There are rules. As of right now these kids are breaking the rules and there are consequences for that until they change those rules. Exactly how do I come to Jesus over something that is a logical impossibility. According to believers, Jesus was God, but even God can't make a square circle. Even in an open forum.

Yo! Mr. Libertarian

By anon
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:34am

Ask your wealthy businessy budddies you seem to pretend you know a lot of being a rich businessy boy yourself how much this will cost them.

These aren't auto workers - they are taking jobs that shithole places that gutted their schools can't produce enough Americans to do - as in H1B jobs, darling.

Most of my rich friends are probably more liberal than you

By Stevil
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 10:44am

They'd probably say the same as you. If the costsvof their labor goes up, they'll just charge you morevto buy their stuff.

That's why they are rich.

their parents knew

By anon
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 12:14am

.. Because they were abandoning everything to get their family to safety. Do you not understand why people migrate? They didn't do it for fun or because it's easy, they did it because they needed to.

"Eh just apply for asylum" doesn't quite cut it when USCIS is now not likely to grant asylum in even well-documented cases.

And yes, many are likely to die and/or be forced into collaborating with ms13 and related groups (saying "no" is not an option, by the way). Calling me a whackjob might give you some intellectual distance from that fact but it doesn't change it, sorry.

As i said to Kaz

By Stevil
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 9:52am

You could say the exact same thing about the millions standing in line to get in legally. No jumping.

Residency is a finite resource. Europe needs lots more people as most of their poulations are shrinking. Or Japan or Australia or New Zealnd or Canada. We are not the only option. Just the best.

there it is

By anon
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 10:02am

Residency is a finite resource

Counterpoint: No, it's not. Residency is a concept that affords legal protections, which are also neither tangible nor finite.

And I'd add that most people didn't know/have much of a problem with dreamers before they started getting threatened with deportation. They weren't taking anything away, they were perfectly productive everyday American youths, and not one of them was eating your slice of the pie, but now all of a sudden, you're filled with indignation at their presence.

What Tribe are You From

By anon
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 10:05am

If you ain't Native American, then somebody immigrated somehow.

Please do some research on that - what were the conditions they left, how minimal were the requirements when they just showed up on a boat, etc.

Looks like your plan to gut schools started with your own education.

There is no "line"

By lbb
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 11:04am

You could say the exact same thing about the millions standing in line to get in legally. No jumping.

Despite the fact that you're displaying a level of moral reasoning that would be appropriate for a five-year-old, this isn't kindergarten and there is no "line". Do some research on the current visa situation and then come back and blow your hot air.

No, he's got a point

By Kaz
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 11:58am

Haven't you ever seen the boatloads of people arriving and then being forced to leave at Ellis Island every day?

*whisspsspsspsspssper*

I'm sorry, I'm just now being informed that those are tourists.

No line?

By Stevil
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 7:15pm

Ever been to an embassy?

There are millions of people trying sometimes for years to get into this country. There are rules. You shouldn't get to skip over all that because your parents hid you under the radar. It's not the compassionate thing. I agree, especially when our govt winks and nods at the people here illegally. But it's the rules. Breaking rules has consequences. Don't blame Trump for this one. Blame their parents.

Don't like it, Europe is to the right, Canada straight ahead and Australia down to the left. Try breaking the rules in a place like Singapore or worse and see what happens.

Want a personal real world example? May your kid get waitlisted and ultimately rejected from their school of choice because they made room for the child of an illegal immigrant. You'll never know if that's the reason, but why should legal residents be on the outside looking in at someone that's not even supposed to be there, save for the fact mummy and poppy broke the law. If you don't find something wrong with that, there's something wrong with you.

Maybe

By Kaz
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 10:54pm

Maybe your kid should have been smarter.

Not my kid

By Stevil
Wed, 09/06/2017 - 11:38pm

Any kid.

Maybe you should be smarter. You'd start thinking with your head instead of other body parts.

Live by Executive Order, Die by Executive Order

By Westie
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 4:29pm

Obama famously said: "I have a pen..."

So does Trump.

Obama was lazy and impatient on this one, and went for the easy swerve. We're seeing the result.

And sorry snowflakes, Trump is actually doing the right thing by giving Congress a chance (which they'll blow) to address this the right way over the next six months, rather than ruling by pronouncement.

A bit of selective memory there

By adamg
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 5:55pm

Obama acted only because the Republicans in Congress refused to.

How does that make it ok

By anon
Tue, 09/05/2017 - 6:17pm

For Obama to overreach his constitution limits. Why because you like him or his position a said issue.

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