WCVB reports the death of Bernard Law in Rome at 86.
As a cardinal, Law was the head of the Archdiocese of Boston until he resigned in 2002 after the Boston Phoenix and the Boston Globe exposed both child molestation by Archdiocese priests and efforts by church leaders, including Law, to cover the cases up. Several victims had named him in lawsuits. Law then moved to Rome, where he was given a Vatican sinecure. He never returned to Boston.
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Remember, lots of people were
By Rob
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 11:13am
Most people knew then and know now that the chances of a Pope from USA = slim to none.
From what I've read and heard, the more likely scenario would have been Law positioning himself as a kingmaker - delivering a block of voters to a favored candidate. Remember that he was involved in reviewing proposed bishop appointments. Then maybe he'd advance to significant position in Rome under that Pope, and who knows? Maybe he'd be in the right place at the right time...
Personally, I think the most likely (but still very unlikely) scenario for a Cardinal from the USA becoming Pope would have involved the timing and "political" climate of JohnPaul II's death. If JP had died and there wasn't a clear favorite and the prospect of a prolonged conclave battle was seen as counterproductive and there was an American Cardinal who was seen as benign & respectable & not too likely to upset others' political base & was old enough that folks figured he'd live only two or three years and be a good compromise transition pope... Imagine if JohnPaul II had died in 1998, when Cardinal O'Connor of NY was 78 years old.
I look here for news
By Stephen Bickerton Sr
Tue, 12/19/2017 - 11:04pm
and I found none.
He totally sucked and I hope he suffered to the end
Relax, guy.
By anon
Tue, 12/19/2017 - 11:12pm
Relax, guy.
This is breaking news. I have faith (no pun intended) that Gaffin will follow up and/or elaborate.
worth reading
By mg
Tue, 12/19/2017 - 11:48pm
the second link Adam posted
Rot In Hell
By crazy talk anon
Tue, 12/19/2017 - 11:10pm
Law and all his enabled and those who enabled him. Taking innocence away from children for sexual gratification is the lowest. But under the guise of faith is the lowest of that. Monsters that will sadly never face any true justice.
I've Heard There's A Special Place Waiting For People Like Him
By Elmer
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 12:21am
Law
By Bugs Bunny
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:42am
If Law went to confession subsequent to the scandal, the priest would absolve him of all sin. Law will go to heaven.
That all depends
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:31am
That all depends on whether he MEANT IT. If he just said the words and did all the little games to level up to being saved, he's headed to Lucifer.
You're making a huge presumption there
By Bob Leponge
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:04pm
In order to confess, Law would have to believe that he had sinned. There's no reason to assume that he had such a belief.
You're making a huge presumption there
By Bob Leponge
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:04pm
In order to confess, Law would have to believe that he had sinned. There's no reason to assume that he had such a belief.
Ah, excellent, commentary
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 6:30am
Ah, excellent, commentary from true Bostonians in the tradition of those who have not sinned casting the first stones.
He was the ring leader just
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:06am
He was the ring leader just as the others before him. He knew of it and did nothing. His hands are just as dirty. The fact that he was not arrested as well as let out of this country was just yet another trauma and slap in the face for the victims. Remember - the victims are still suffering...every damn day.
The Catholic church is a business. Period. End. If the repeated rape of children (and lets not forget nuns) and shuttling the priests around so they could rape more didn't bring down the church in this city/county then shame on the flock. Shame on the politicians that didn't have the balls enough to step up.
You can have your faith. You can practice your faith. You can live your faith. You can spread your faith to those that are interested. All those things are fine. But when you let a business organization continue (and give them money weekly) after knowing all of heinous acts they permitted for decades upon decades then you are part of the problem.
I sin proudly every day
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:36am
That's why I have no problem relegating that old scumbag to whatever hell he ends up in.
Yeah, how dare people
By Kinopio
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:36am
Yeah, how dare people criticize the guy who enabled hundreds of cases of kids being raped!!1
R. I. H.
By jmeltzer
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 7:05am
The only reason why I can believe Law was not personally a child molester is that the Globe would certainly have printed the story if they had it.
Jesus, speak ill of the dead much?
By Dan Farnkoff
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 7:39am
If you folks damning a human being to infinite eternal pain actually believe in God you might want to show some humility. He should have been prosecuted, but save some condemnation for the actual molesters, and all the local cops who enabled this as well.
Seriously?
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 8:12am
Law deserves all of the condemnation he gets and then some. This is a man that actively allowed pedophile priests to continue to have access to vulnerable children. He covered up their actions, moved them from parish to parish, and all for what -- his ego and his image. Bernie never missed an opportunity to call out a politician on his/her stance on abortion, but when it came to taking care of the children in his flock, he failed miserably. Then, when the heat was on, he ran like the rat he was, never to be held accountable for his crimes.
Not for him
By Parkwayne
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:25am
Given the position of power and influence of the church in the region at the time of these crimes, he was really the only, best option to stop it. He didn't and many people's lives were ruined. I can have plenty of room in my heart to despise both Law AND the pedophiles - it's not an either or situation.
Or do you think Paul Shanley would get a free pass from these same commenters if he were the one being discussed? I mean, really?
Respectfully disagree.
By Dan Farnkoff
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:14am
We have civil authorities for a reason. Massachusetts, post Roe v. Wade, after the cultural revolution of the 1960's, was hardly some kind of 12th century theocracy. Child sexual abuse is a horrendous crime. Where were the police? Law acted abominably, but not all that unlike some other bosses whose employees get accused of crimes (treat it as unproven, wait for authorities to conduct their invrstigation, etc).
On the other hand I have to think that if someone I know, or me myself, had been molested, perhaps my rage would rise to this level.
Enabler
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:43am
Making the living or dead free from criticism created this problem.
You are perpetuating it.
Make up your mind
By Parkwayne
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 3:32pm
Up above you say this:
"But in a world where most often might makes right, and money can buy a way out of anything, and injustice is always thriving, such human accountability on earth is unlikely to ever be more than an occasional anomaly."
and yet here you are claiming that the lack of criminal conviction should mean we forgive and forget Law's sins?
OJ Simpson was also never convicted of murder so I guess he's a good guy too.
Yes Dan
By Miaow
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 5:11pm
If you had been molested you would perhaps understand why sexually abusing a child is a crime that leaves deep scars on victims that they can never truly heal from and why people are so angry at Cardinal Law. He knew this was going on, and he continued to cover them up - there is no forgiveness in me for such a person. Cardinal Law was an arrogant, evil man. He had the devil in his soul.
Sexual abuse of children destroys the most basic sense of trust and is a violation from which one can't fully recover. I speak from experience. These children grow up in to broken adults who do the best they can to live with the aftermath.
Big fan of institutional cover ups?
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:37am
Are you? Law was not anything resembling a human being. A real human being would have stopped those men, not moved them around to different parishes.
That's not right either
By Parkwayne
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:03am
Many human beings are terrible, evil people. A real person of faith and believer in the teachings of the bible, now that person wouldn't have done what Law did.
I prefer
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:13am
to follow more current books of fantasy in my choice of who I worship. That's why I was on Team Bella for all those years. Praise her.
Of course.
By erik g
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:26pm
Law was no TRUE
ScotsmanCatholic.If they were a malicious shitbag in life?
By Kaz
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 11:22am
Then, yes. Dying doesn't make them less of a malicious shitbag, it just ends their ability to act as a malicious shitbag. Some things are irredeemable and death is never a redeeming trait anyways.
Satan is smiling
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 7:42am
The greatest trick of the devil was to disguise himself as Catholic priests. He was so successful he now comes disguised as politicians, movie producers, actors, athletes, coaches , teachers and rock stars. I pray there is a hell for all of them.
Back when he was still ....
By Lee
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 8:02am
... a well liked and respected bishop of Boston, I spent some time in the same room with him. My impression was of a cold calculating cynical man greedy for power. A Whitey Bulger type.
It’s a terrible shame that he escaped justice.
My father was a reporter for
By Melissa
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:19am
My father was a reporter for the Boston Globe in the 1980s, and when we were in the VIP section of the Esplanade July 4th Pops concert one year, I was briefly introduced to the cardinal. His handshake was limp, and he looked right through me as if I wasn't there. I remember thinking, as a precocious 14-year-old budding journalist, hmmm, aren't politicians supposed to be schmoozy and pretending to be glad to meet you? If so, he's not doing it right. (In retrospect, I wonder if it was because I was a woman.)
Seeing as how he wasn't a
By Rob
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 11:21am
Seeing as how he wasn't a politician...
I drove Law once
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:42am
Picked him and one of his boys up at the complex in Brighton to take him to Donna Morrissey's little jerk off gala where the Catholics who fuck people every day in business got to feel good about it by throwing money at Law.
They had a little girl in the car with them and when the girl noticed the decanter in the back of the stretch with the Scotch in it, she asked Law what was in it.
"Medicine" was his reply. I wonder how many priests told how many kids that they needed the medicine to make the sugar go down. In His name.
Last night's late-night realization of irony:
By Rob
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 8:23am
Here we are, 15 years later, and the Archdiocese of Boston (even as rocky as the going is) is in better shape than the Globe.
Why is that ironic?
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:27am
Any institution requires external review and distributed power structures or it will rot to the core.
Without independent external accountability, there will be consequences and ill-health.
The Archdiocese covered up child rape and the resulting shakeup left it far healthier.
The Globe blunders on, having cut all real reporting and favoring brainless sychophants.
That's not ironic. That is inevitable.
I give religion another
By Kinopio
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:40am
I give religion another century, tops, with only the least civilized still clinging to it then. I look forward to more churches being turned into condos and restaurants. Journalism will be around forever, thankfully, in some form or another.
Interesting. Hinduism,
By anon
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:42pm
Interesting. Hinduism, Judaism, Buddhism and many others have been around for thousands of years but now all religions will become non-existent in 100 years? You have a very peculiar outlook on your fellow humans.
100 years ago
By tachometer
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 3:53pm
One hundred years ago a majority of the world's population never strayed more than one hundred miles from where they were born. Today an ever larger portion of the world's population has access to a world's worth of information at their fingertips. Things are changing rapidly so it's not too out there of a prediction.
A Jesuit account
By adamg
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:05am
From America, a Jesuit publication:
Cardinal Bernard Law, the face of the church’s failure on child sexual abuse, dies at 86.
Rot In Piss
By ZachAndTired
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:43am
Rot In Piss
O'Malley's statement on Law's passing
By adamg
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 9:49am
Here (if it doesn't come up, I've posted a copy).
disgrace
By Sock_Puppet
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 10:21am
You should never say anything bad about the dead, only good.
Cardinal Bernard Law is dead. Good.
Lame headline
By Lanny Budd
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 12:12pm
I was expecting more like
Commuters wait to get home, Law lies dead in Rome
or
Commuter rail riders stuck in the sticks, Cardinal packs it in at 86
After Protecting Countless Priest D**ks, Law Dead at 86
By tachometer
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 3:55pm
I think that one cuts to the chase
Burial in Rome
By Bob Leponge
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:10pm
will make pissing on his grave inconvenient.
Maybe some enterprising travel agent could put together packages. I'm sure they'd be well subscribed.
And for those lacking the airfare, maybe there's a business to be created, under which the customer could mail in a small bottle, which would then be shipped to Rome and emptied in the appropriate place on the customer's behalf.
"Honestly, Mr. Swiss Guard, all these little bottles here that I'm emptying onto this grave are just holy water that loyal fans have sent from their local parish churches all over the Boston area... At least that's what they said."
It takes two to tango
By Unpopular Opinion
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 2:16pm
Allow me to add some gasoline to this conversation. It takes two to tango.
There is no question that the church and its hierarchy failed the public and allowed the terrible assaults on children. This will not change.
That said, one of the unspoken elements to all of this is that parents were also teaching their children, as was the church, that religious authority, priests, brothers, nuns, etc are absolute authorities not to be questioned. They are deemed emissaries of the Divine and just a notch below God.
This was a fault of generations of conditioning that the Church imparted on its people. As such, and to at least a minimal degree, the parents of these children must also bear some responsibility. It is an unpopular item to even consider, and was totally left out of the dialogue as it is politically incorrect to even consider. That said, it needs to be a part of the discussion.
Can we, or should we, never question authority whether it is religious, school based, government, or corporate. Indeed the news has been full of accusations as well as convictions across that entire spectrum, and from both genders.
I was truly fortunate. My family was never one to knuckle-under to church authority and taught me the signs to watch for, and we had open dialogues about that.
I served on the altar of no less than 3 of the named accused, and witnessed events that were not acceptable, and when the familiarity and "conditioning" started, I knew the red flag warnings and bailed out, and that was wholly supported by my family.
Did my family say something? Sure, but like many, ignored.
I steered clear of all of the controversy as did a host of others. I knew that my position would be unpopular and I would be deemed a part of the problem as opposed to the solution. 'How dare you fault parents?' So along with the openly identified victims, there are many more who remained silent, or who were on the periphery, who escaped the worse possible fate.
In a modern world where being politically correct is "de rigueur" people like self tend to remain silent. It is not healthy.
So, yes... definitively lay blame at the feet of the priests, and others who did wrong, but leave a little room for enablers which can be closer to the problem than you may think. Many dirty hands in this whole mess and some were just swept under the rug and never publicly even considered -- at least not out loud.
Question authority.
Not much pedophilia under Cardinal Law
By O-FISH-L
Wed, 12/20/2017 - 5:53pm
This was a gay priest scandal not pedophilia. The far-left Globe refused to call it that. Pedophilia is defined as sexual abuse of prepubescent children. Most of the victims were teen boys. Fake news. I had a neighbor briefly in St. John's Seminary who immediately quit after witnessing all kinds of homosexual acts there.
I'm no defender of Cardinal Law and his many mistakes but much of the sexual abuse went back decades before he arrived here. It's unclear to me if he knew he was entering the lion's den when he took the job in the mid 80's. If I recall, most of the offender priests were sent to "therapy" and Cardinal Law lifted the state limit of $100,000 on lawsuits against non-profits to allow the victims and their lawyers a more generous settlement. Witness all of the closed churches, sold off to pay them. I'm sure it wasn't easy.
Leave it to Fish to resurrect bigoted, worn-out myths
By Dave-from-Boston
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 8:09am
Though researchers settled this question decades ago, it’s still a popular talking point among right wing, low information, conservatives. Left unchallenged, Fish would have you believe that homosexuals can be fixed and, if in fact they couldn’t, they are a blight on God’s America that would inevitably drag us all to hell.
These days, about the only time we hear a connection between pedophiles and gay men is when it’s coming from far right-wing “family values” organizations. People such as Fish use it to instill fear and perpetuate bigotry and ignorance. At the core of their beliefs is the idea that unless LGBT people turn from their gayness, they will end up as destitute child molesters in hell.
There are factual studies that undermine their bigoted beliefs. For example, the National Research Council completed an exhaustive study of the correlation between homosexuality and child abuse (in 1993). They found that “the distinction between homosexual and heterosexual child molesters relies on the premise that male molesters of male victims are homosexual in orientation. In fact, their research found that molesters of boys do not report sexual interest in adult men.”
In 1982, Dr. A. Nicholas Groth, a leading researcher, wrote:“Are homosexual adults in general sexually attracted to children and are preadolescent children at greater risk of molestation from homosexual adults than from heterosexual adults? He concluded that there is no reason to believe so.
Dr. Groth’s research to date all points to there being no significant relationship between a homosexual lifestyle and child molestation. There is no reportage of sexual molestation of girls by lesbian adults, and the adult male who sexually molests young boys is not likely to be homosexual.
So the question becomes: where does this idea of a link between homosexuality and child molestation come from?
In the early 70s, Christian fundamentalist Anita Bryant began her “Save the Children” campaign, which sought to unite the conservative church against the gay community and deny gay people the right to hold jobs in public schools. Her fear tactics, claiming that gay men were molesters in teacher’s clothing, gained her a huge following and raised a lot of money. The same tactics are still used today, with much of the same misinformation used by Bryant.
A precursory Google search on the topic turns up a list of right-wing, fundamentalist Christian organizations, often affiliated with or supporting “ex-gay” ministries and reparative therapy counseling centers, that perpetuate this unscientific notion. The right wing Traditional Values organization said, “While they [homosexuals] comprise only 1-2% of the population, they are responsible for upwards of a third or more of all sexual molestations of children.”
World News Daily (one of Fish’s reference sources for all things fake) titled a 2002 article (emphasis theirs) PEDOPHILIA MORE COMMON AMONG ‘GAYS’, and then proceeded to quote a religious organization’s “findings,” though none of those same statistics could been found in mainstream, peer-reviewed journals.
Not surprisingly, the anti-gay group Family Research Council states unequivocally that gay people are “committing up to one-third of the sex crimes against children,” though it doesn’t state where it gets its information. Also not surprising, they supply a long list of resources on their website that state nothing more than most child molesters are male and then make the gigantic leap that male child molesters who molest boys are gay men.
What Fish is unable or unwilling to accept is the idea homosexuality is a natural variation of human sexuality, as research has shown time and time again. LGBT people have no more of a propensity for child molestation than their straight counterparts. The mythical “gay agenda” doesn’t exist, except maybe to be able to simply live life like everyone else.
Fish is who he is - not very smart, a racist, homophobe, and a notorious, proven liar. Most of the time it is best to ignored him as I, like others, see his bullshit and trolling for what it is…in this case, however, he injects himself in an emotionally charged-issue for the mere purpose of perpetuate a proven lie. I just cannot let his comments stand without rebuttal.
So in other words...
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 8:35am
You let Fish win.
What are you talking about - win - lose...
By Dave-from-Boston
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 10:22am
You always seem to have a snarky comment for everyone which, by the way, are generally apropos of nothing meaningful.
You sound juvenile. What are lonely or something - looking for attention - or is it the Boston Herald comment section off-line today?
Hey, thanks!
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 10:26am
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