Students and teachers at the Boston Community Leadership Academy in Hyde Park have started raising funds for an 18-year-old student who is now behind bars at a Suffolk County jail as ICE attempts to boot him from the country.
The money would go towards a bond to help free him while he fights deportation and for the lawyers he'd need.
His mother sent him to the U.S. to escape violence in his home country of Guatemala. Since his arrival in the U.S., Marvin has maintained excellent attendance in school and worked very hard to improve his English skills. He has built many great relationships with his peers and teachers in school. Marvin is also an active member of his church community.
He was detained last month at work, not school, a supporter says.
Separately, an MIT janitor who has been in ICE custody since July should be released Friday as he appeals his deportation order.
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why don't you trade places with them, then
By jobart
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:27pm
I suggest you volunteer to trade places with people who just happened to be born in a "poor and violent" country, or to parents from such country.
I don't understand why people who just happened to be born in "rich and peaceful" countries feel ok about denying anyone else the chance to live that way.
Just luck of the draw and f* anyone who isn't lucky like you?
Yes. Precisely.
By Roman
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:41pm
It is naive to believe you can fix all that is wrong in the world. There will always be places that are worse-off. Hell, there are parts of Boston that are poor and violent. Fifty years of War on Poverty and hundreds of billions of federal dollars have not fixed it.
It is equally naive to believe that a policy of letting in anyone who wants to come in is sustainable or moral.
It isn't moral because there's no limiting principle in there. If you give money to Beggar A but not Beggar B, you're being capricious and arbitrary, and there's no morality in that. Letting in only the people who make it to the door leaves out a whole class of people who aren't capable of getting to the door at all. If there is a moral imperative to let in the ones who do because of where they come from, there is also a moral imperative to come and get the ones who can't. Either way it turns into military intervention or colonialism when taken to it's extreme. And if there's no limit, it will go to the extreme. We've done military interventions in Haiti and Panama and Libya, so it's not wild exaggeration.
It isn't sustainable because we can only assimilate so many people at a time. And if we let in everyone, well, then we'll be outnumbered and risk bringing in all the conditions that make life hell over there over here. This is what an ethnic ghetto can become. And it's not wild exaggeration either. It's happened, and good public policy will not encourage it to happen again by setting up circumstances that can invite it.
So in short: the greater good of keeping civilization here outweighs the anecdotal good of helping individual people escape the conditions of their birth there. You can't be governed by your emotions on this. You just can't.
A Refute
By whyaduck
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:19pm
Paragraph 1: Yes, you are correct. The poor will always be among us. However, there are many factors as to the why. In regards to your last statement regarding the "War on Poverty", two of the programs from that period, Medicaid and Medicare continue to help many people including children, elders and the disabled. I would hardly say that those two programs are failures.
Paragraph 2-3: I will counter that, in regards to moral imperatives, that if anyone is seeking to enter our country, we should allow them to join us, especially if they are fleeing places where we had a direct hand (i.e. our government) in creating the conditions they are fleeing (I'll start with El Salvador and Iraq but you can do your own research). Your argument to "get those you can't" is strange and really does not lessen my first point. Nor should it. And linking good immigration policies with military interventions and colonialism is also strange.
Paragraph 4: This is 2017. We have been assimilating people since the 17th century. We currently have over 22 million non citizens in this country, most of whom are productive members of our society. If the country is going to hell, it will be due to the GOP tax scam that will be voted into law not for the strange reasons you cite.
So in short, my friend: The greater good is helping those that seek solace. You can cut it every which way to Sunday with strange logic but the fact remains:
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
You missed something
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:21pm
Paragraph 0: Roman himself is an immigrant.
A reply
By Roman
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:34pm
They may not be failures, per se, but I don't see how they have anything to do with reducing violence in poor neighborhoods. I'd go so far as to say that provision of healthcare is completely orthogonal to the reasons why poor and violent neighborhoods are poor and violent.
I was more specifically talking about federal housing dollars, and direct cash assistance programs for young and able-bodied people which have not made a dent in the problem, because they're bandaids that cost a lot but do nothing about the underlying disease.
I'll agree with you part-way. We invaded Iraq. We hired locals. We put targets on their backs, and we owe them. But there's a spectrum of responsibility and where you put the cutoff is a value judgment.
That's where my point about getting at those who can't make it on their own and about colonialism comes from. If you decide that anyone who shows up from all the countries on the map you've decided we're responsible for is worthy, my point is that it's an arbitrary cutoff. The ones who can't make it are also in need, and if you decide that they're in need because of something we did to them, then we owe it to them to fly in and get them out or to make amends for what you believe we did to them.
We have, and we'd best remember that that's not something that falls from the sky. We've managed to pull that off because we've maintained the conditions necessary for it. Best to not upset that applecart. Human history has layed that golden egg only a few times. Make an omelet out of it now and you don't know how many centuries it'll take for it to happen again.
That "tax scam" is good policy on the whole. But I could see how you'd believe otherwise if you read the NYT on a Monday to learn how it's a giveaway to the rich and the WaPo on a Tuesday to learn how rich blue-staters would end up paying more taxes under this giveaway to the rich.
Nobody feels that way
By Stevil
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 4:53pm
But there are laws and reality of constrained resources.
We let in several million immigrants a year LEGALLY.
don't like the rules, run for office and change them.
Good luck.
ABSOLUTELY. We're full!
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:43pm
ABSOLUTELY. We're full! Turn them away! An especially salient point right now, the season all about the justifiable turning away of poor refugees (one of whom was pregnant). Maybe in the spirit of Christmas we can let these people hang out in barns while awaiting deportation. Right on.
Yah
By anon
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 12:03pm
You're full of it alright. How is a nation this large "full" compared to India? China?
Ever been there
By Stevil
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 2:33pm
Especially the cities?
Poe's law is an adage of
By anon
Tue, 12/26/2017 - 8:18am
Poe's law is an adage of Internet culture stating that, without a clear indicator of the author's intent, it is impossible to create a parody of extreme views so obviously exaggerated that it cannot be mistaken by some readers or viewers as a sincere expression of the parodied views.
What if our country had a hand in
By whyaduck
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:03pm
making those countries "dangerous", hmmm?
And what if it didn't
By Roman
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:10pm
People who are born, grow up, and live their entire lives in wealthy civilized countries would do well to remember that the it's not like that everywhere else. Past and recent history has shown that people the world over are plenty good at making messes for themselves without our assistance.
Maybe you can pin Iraq and Libya on us, but you can't pin Egypt or Syria or Somalia on anything the US did. Closer to home, maybe you can pin Nicaragua on us, but you can't pin all of it on us.
Hmm,
By whyaduck
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:23pm
does not refute my first point, Roman. You are trying to beat me around my own bush. My point being, and it is an important point, our government has had hands in creating messes in other countries. And we are not speaking about other countries messes of their own creations (although I do agree with you). The original post that I was answering was about whom our own country should "let in".
But it did, Blanche
By lbb
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 4:01pm
You may be ignorant of history, but anything in Central America is right down to the good ol' USA whether Pepe tells you so or not.
There's enough blame to go around...
By BlackKat
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 4:05pm
A lot of the problems in places like sub-Saharan Africa can be laid at the feet of all of the more industrialized nations. See linked report.
http://science.sciencemag.org/content/358/6370/1610
You need to study history a
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 4:12pm
You need to study history a little more. All of those conflicts (Egypt or Syria or Somalia) can be traced back to western influence. Maybe not US, but definitely western Europe with the support of the U.S.
Ever read the bible?
By Stevil
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 9:58pm
They've been fighting for many millennia, long before even the Romans showed up.
And then ...
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 10:38pm
Oil changed everything.
They stopped...
By Stevil
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 10:54pm
...fighting cause they were rich?
How Naive
By anon
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 9:11am
No. We gave them loans to fight each other while we took all their oil.
Loans?
By Stevil
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 2:35pm
Outside of Venezuela, you are kidding I hope. Otherwise you are just ignorant.
Absurd false argument
By lbb
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 10:41am
So, no modern nation has any responsibility whatsoever? Bullshit. We love to wave our hands, say "Oh they've been fighting each other forever" and absolve ourselves of any responsibility, but it's simply bullshit put forth by people whose understanding of the regions they're writing off (if they have any at all) is at an elementary level and completely leaves out the last two or three centuries.
If you want some good reading on the subject, take a look at "The Fighting Never Stopped" by Patrick Brogan. The latest edition is from 1990, but it still covers the most relevant years of history in the formation of modern conflicts. It also offers some predictors of future conflicts that have proven to be unfortunately quite accurate. And, it didn't even factor in climate change and global economic disruption.
Many counter are dangerous
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 10:14pm
I agree. And also agree that we can’t take everyone in. However I’m pretty sure Guatemala has one of if not the highest murder rates in the W. hemisphere.
America is big enough to let in those from the worst of the worst. We always have been.
And undoubtably so for kids that have proven themselves as good citizens while here.
For fuck’s sake what do we stand for if not for principles?
Full disclosure: I’m pretty damn liberal but am willing to compromise. Can we tighten up border security and go after criminals and also make some room for good kids?
Another broken promise
By lbb
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 10:42am
Trump was gonna target felons for deportation. In fact, his ICE thugs seem to be picking up an awful lot of harmless people who just want to get by. It's a lot easier to harass and detain people who are trying to hold down a job and live their lives, I guess.
This is terrible
By jobart
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:24pm
Oh my god this is heartbreaking. How dare ICE / the government go after students and people with no record. They are such racist pieces of sh**.
Thanks, Adam for linking to the Go Fund Me page
By jobart
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:33pm
Thank for all you do !
Roy Moore
By Will LaTulippe
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:39pm
Gets to be an American, and this kid doesn't.
Riiiiiight.
So he was caught at work, and
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 1:51pm
So he was caught at work, and presumably has no work authorization.
Did he happen to get caught in a roundup, or was he targeted by ICE for a different reason?
How does a person entering
By john
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:34pm
How does a person entering the country illegally to escape his /her conditions differ from a person committing a crime, for example a non violent theft, to improve his/her conditions.
Both are illegal, the goal of the individual is the same, to escape their current conditions, yet they are treated very differently. In the first instance the person becomes a sympathetic victim of a cruel government in the second, a common criminal.
Either the laws mean something or they don't. If they don't it is anarchy.
Both parties have had the opportunity to address the immigration issue neither has done so. Thus we are left with decisions about if and how the law is enforced to the President, which many argue is an unconstitutional usurpation of the Legislative branch.
Additionally, these Executive actions only serve to further confuse the issue because they are frequently the subject of protracted lawsuits. You need only look at the suits filed by states when President Obama expanded DACA and those filed when President Trump reversed that policy.
The legislature has a responsibility to produce laws. They have not done their job. When the Democrats held the majority they did what they wanted and characterized the Republicans as obstructionists, now that the Republicans are in the majority the Democrats are the obstructionists. It is long past time for both sides to figure out how to work together
Well...
By lbb
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 10:44am
One is a civil violation, the other is not. I'm sure you can google and find out more if you actually do want to know.
No, in fact, they didn't do what they wanted because the Republicans were obstructionist.
When we have individuals with
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 2:36pm
When we have individuals with known gang affiliations (MS-13) in the area, isn't there better places to spend ICE resources? It's not even that far of a drive.
Love to see how much the Trumpies
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 3:31pm
love this racist red meat thrown at them by Putin's puppet.
If there's one thing that scumbag didn't lie about was his promise to let those overpaid campus cops off their leashes to become the brown shirts he threatened us all with on the trail.
just to be completely ruthless
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 3:57pm
Young healthy people with a high school education and higher are exactly the kind of immigrants this country needs.
The gofundme page
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 4:05pm
The gofundme page (understandably) doesn't include any unfavorable information about the kid. He might have gotten mixed up with the wrong crowd, which caused ICE to pick him up for having a gang affiliation.
That's pure speculation, I know, but it's soon to judge either innocence or guilty, beyond the fact that he's residing/working here without authorization.
My farts might smell like roses
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 10:40pm
And Aliens might be tuning up your hotrod as we speak.
Anymore wild assumptions to offer?
Why is that such a wild assumption?
By JPNative617
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 8:24am
Just because you said so?
You do realize that MS-13 regularly forces (under penalty of death) high school age, particularly illegal, "good" kids to join, right?
There's no information that says it happened in this case, but it happens everywhere there's MS-13 and 18th Street gang. My suggestion would be to work with these kids in the community and hear their horror stories. Then, maybe you wouldn't equate their very common (and terrifying) situation with the smell of your farts.
Wild ass umption
By anon
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 9:14am
Because there is absolutely no evidence of that. The kid was both working and doing well in school - when would he have time? Also, undocumented people keep their heads down, dear.
Do you gangbang in your spare time and not want competition? Is that why you bring it up? I don't see any proof that you aren't involved in organized crime. It isn't an unreasonable assumption that someone of your age, ethnicity and gender would be.
See what I did there?
Because, dear, it's widely
By anon
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 10:07am
Because, dear, it's widely known that ICE gives extra focus to unauthorized immigrants in certain circles. A person facing deportation today has an elevated probability of being connected to illegal activity, compared to a peer not facing deportation.
Nothing is certain except that he is unauthorized. We don't know if he's avoided trouble, or if he's fallen into trouble. We do know that his advocates have not made a claim that he's upstanding / never been in trouble before. Instead they said he has good attendance.
Also, please stop making the assumption that a hypothesis != an assumption.
ICE Priorities
By anon
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 12:10pm
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/undocumented-...
https://www.aol.com/article/news/2017/09/22/couple...
http://www.wbur.org/news/2017/11/15/ama-stand-ice-...
Among others.
Did you read the comment, dear?
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/23/2017 - 8:32am
I literally said that "there's no information it happened in this case". I'm stating a fact that forced involvement happens frequently. If you want to keep you're head in the sand and not believe it, that's fine.
Also, I realize undocumented people keep their heads down - that's why they're easier to recruit, you smug shithead.
they are easier to recruit?
By anon
Sat, 12/23/2017 - 11:50am
WRONG!
Honey, undocumented people have LOWER rates of criminality.
Care to share some actual facts? Like, is your organized crime ring finding them easier to recruit darling? Even the freaking Cato Institute has that much figured out, child.
Meanwhile, ICE priorities seem to trend toward arresting children who need surgery. SUCH TOUGH GUYS!
Your reading comprehension sucks
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/23/2017 - 2:33pm
I'm not arguing the fact that crimes rates are lower among undocumented immigrants, or that this kid was even a criminal. My argument is that gangs forcefully recruit those who wouldn't normally be in gangs. Why is it so hard for you to understand this?
And, yes, undocumented kids are easier to recruit BECAUSE THEY CAN'T GO TO THE POLICE!
Jesus, get your head out of your ass and try to understand what I'm saying, honey.
Lurid Paranoid Fantasies
By anon
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 9:57am
They are not evidence.
MS-13 is extremely limited. Your belief that gangs are everywhere all the time and every latin teen is involved is both racist and floridly imaginative.
I'm sincerely doubting that you are working with any kids. Not with the record you have to have as a male of a certain age ...
See?
Wut?
By JPNative617
Sat, 12/23/2017 - 8:48am
I never claimed it was evidence, just not a crazy assumption
So are all gangs. That doesn't change the fact that gangs force kids to join in the neighborhoods they operate, it's another way to prey on the community. Many kids who are forced to join don't even actively participate in gang activity. They're used in certain situations - taking the fall for another member, drug running, etc.
Where did I say this? Stop looking for racism everywhere.
And you might be a Russian troll bot
By Brent Jeffries
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 11:38am
[quote]He might have gotten mixed up with the wrong crowd, which caused ICE to pick him up for having a gang affiliation.
That's pure speculation, I know, but it's soon to judge either innocence or guilty[/quote]
And you might be a Russian troll bot. After all, we know they played a large part in influencing our elections and continue to post on social media to make it seem like more people support a certain agenda than actually do.
That's pure speculation, I know, but it's too soon to judge whether you're a Russian troll bot or not.
Nice variation of the old Fox News "Some people say" tactic.
Do you agree then that it's
By anon
Sun, 12/24/2017 - 12:14pm
Do you agree then that it's also Foxnewish to assume/argue at this point that that the kid is completely innocent and is entitled to remain here without authorization?
Civil violations
By boo_urns
Sun, 12/24/2017 - 5:34pm
Aren't a matter of innocent or guilty. That's reserved for criminal cases.
Not sure about this
By EM Painter
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 4:52pm
For instance should we only let smart people in? we admitted the Tsarnaev family and recognized their identity and culture. The result was they hated America. I don't trust those putting forward sentimental arguments to think through what they are saying. Perhaps if the undocumented were doing the jobs of teachers, lawyers, government employees, journalists and university professors then i would take the recommendations on what I need to think and believe more seriously.
The real question is...
By anon
Thu, 12/21/2017 - 5:25pm
Was he just randomly snatched up & thrown into custody? Or did he commit a felony, hence them throwing him into custody? Because that makes a huge difference.
Not to ICE
By lbb
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 10:49am
ICE is detaining a whole lot of people who are just trying to live their lives and hold down a job. Workplaces and children's schools are one of the easiest places to detain people -- also immigration offices and courthouses where undocumented people are reporting as ordered for proceedings, or even women who are applying for restraining orders against abusers. Don't be fooled -- ICE is going for the low-hanging fruit, not the "bad hombres".
https://www.gofundme.com/helpmarvinstay
By jobart
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 11:18am
https://www.gofundme.com/helpmarvinstay
Do we have any info
By StillFromDorchester
Fri, 12/22/2017 - 4:12pm
On this arrest from ICE?
A go fund me page is not really an information source for an arrest, nor is a Facebook posting by a friend.
ICE targeting Sanctuary Cities - only makes sense
By anon
Sat, 12/23/2017 - 2:09pm
ICE has been more active targeting cities with gangs and cities not cooperating with ICE.
If local police are not reporting/holding bad hombres for ICE, its only natural that ICE steps up its activities in those cities. So, don't complain if some wheat gets included with the chaff.
Ah, another person who doesn't know what he's talking about
By adamg
Sat, 12/23/2017 - 5:57pm
BPD has been cooperating fully with federal officials to catch "bad hombres" - those 61 MS-13 members the feds indicted didn't all get caught by the FBI. Most of the police departments around here realize that not doing the feds' dirty work in going after people who have not committed violent or property crimes helps catch the real bad people because they're more likely to get help from people who are not afraid to talk to them.
Do you know any more about this case?
By StillFromDorchester
Sun, 12/24/2017 - 11:27am
Were local police involved? Was it an immigration only offense?
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