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Dot Ave. watering hole would be replaced by 38 apartments with a 'contemporary aesthetic' exterior
By adamg on Thu, 02/15/2018 - 10:52am
Architect's rendering, with obligatory birds.
Developer Adam Sarbaugh has filed his plans to replace the Tom English Bar and the Dorchester Market on Dorchester Avenue at East Cottage Street with a five-story apartment complex - with room for the market, but not the bar, to move back into.
In a small-project review application with the BPDA, Sarbaugh says his $6-million building would freshen up the block and provide a compelling model for anybody thinking of replacing other nearby structures:
The building's massing is derived from a creative response to it's neighboring site context and urban conditions. ... The building's stepped form softens it's overall scale and relates to the adjacent 3 story developments. Further recessing the fourth and fifth floors pull the overall form off of the street edge and creates a height relationship with the neighboring DNA Lofts building. A palette of complementary facade materials is paired with numerous brick bonding techniques to develop a contemporary aesthetic that will serve as a compelling precedent for the area's current and future development.
Five of the units would be marketed as affordable. The building would have 26 parking spaces. In addition to the market, the first floor would have room for a restaurant.
951-959A Dorchester Ave. small-project review application (11.8M PDF).
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I really feel bad for
I really feel bad for residents in the immediate area. 26 parking spaces is not sufficient. Not many driveways around.
It's down the street from JFK
It's down the street from JFK UMass T Station and the DNA Lofts across the street with 50 units has almost 0 impact on the traffic in the area. At most, I sit in that intersection with 2-3 cars in front of me on Crescent or East Cottage. The traffic is from people not from Dot or from much further south in Dot trying to get around I93 by using Dot Ave.
How many years have you lived
How many years have you lived here to understand parking situation ? 15 years for me, and since the lofts went up accross the street, things have changed for the worse.
People living here generally
People living here generally are ditching their cars. We have a three decker on Crescent St and our tenants do not have cars. Many friends that have moved here recently are also carless. Dorchester traditionally did not have so many cars. The phenomenon of every licensed driver having a car is relatively new. Why we are encouraging it is beyond me.
Yes, but
The west side access to JFK has to be improved. The I-93 canopy area is a problem. I rather walk up Dot to Andrew
Attention People of Dorchester
Do not fall for the lie that because this development is on Dot Ave, on a bus route and "close" to JFK that you don't need parking. DO NOT let what happened in Southie happen here. You will become a neighborhood of transients who will move in a couple of years after realizing the parking situation really sucks.
Already a partial transient
Already a partial transient neighborhood due to the annual UMass turnover.
If people want a place to park
They need to buy or rent a space. Otherwise, the streets are public property, open to anyone with a properly registered vehicle, and possibly, a resident permit. If these people find street parking such a hardship, they need to either get rid of their vehicles or move to a place that has parking.
And where exactly might one
And where exactly might one find a parking space for rent in this area?
Are we still waiting
For the location of the elusive parking spots?
Try
the for sale and rent listings on Boston.com or Craig's List. I'll reiterate. If you want a guaranteed place to park your vehicle, you need to secure just such a spot and stop expecting that our public property is for you private use. Am I making myself clear?
Well that sucks
Another real Boston bar on its way out. All these new spots (Lincoln, Loco, Broadway etc.) popping up aren't even actual bars - they're restaurants that turn into night clubs on Thurs-Sat. Forget dive bars disappearing...actual bars in general are disappearing in Boston...
Money talks
This has happened to many gay bars in the city. When I moved here, Boston had so many. Now I think we're down to 2 "full time" gay bars in Boston (3 if you include Paradise in Cambridge). And a handful of ones that have "gay nights".
But its because money talks. Lots of dive bars are sitting on property worth a lot. A developer comes along and offers big money for the lot, you bet that bar owner is gonna up and sell. Happened to alot of bars I used to go to. (119 and buddies come to mind)
Club Cafe
Club Cafe
Machine
The Alley
Cathedral Station
Trophy Room
The Eagle
Dbar
Hell, even Peggy O'Neil's is pretty gay these days.
Our bar scene might not be great, but methinks you're exaggerating *just a bit*.
Machine! Machine! Machine!
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Yes, how will anyone survive?
Yes, how will anyone survive? They will now have to go to the Banshee, the Harp + Bard, The Dot Ave Tavern, Home Run Cafe, Dublin House, Peggy O'Neils, etc...
Uhh..
Peggy O'Neill's is more a hipster/gay hangout now, Home Run Cafe's a Latin bar, The Harp & Bard is "basically a restaurant that just happens to have a bar", The Dublin House is a little ways away & more of a ghetto trap house now, & The Banshee is NOT a dive and NOT cheap...so if you want an ACTUAL Irish dive bar, then Dot Tavern's your only real option, without going into Southie...
JJ's?
Also, maybe get out of your comfort zone and hi drink with a diverse crowd sometime?
"real Boston bar"
place sucks. not really crying about the "loss" to my neighborhood.
there's plenty of better bars around. or "shittier" bars that I'd actually go to.
the thing I'm actually upset about is more absurdly expensive housing with that ugly contemporary late-capitalist aesthetic being built.
Bars are disappearing
Because you can't get a license to run a bar without a kitchen.
Good riddance. Some of the
Good riddance. Some of the dive bars and crappy buildings on dot ave should be leveled and replaced with updated modern housing and storefronts. i didnt realize tom english is a gay bar always thought it was an irish bar. But that said dot ave has a lot of dives on it so i dont think too many tears will be shed if a bar owner or two wants to cash out and sell to developers.
“Lots”? Where. They’re
“Lots”? Where. They’re mostly gone. Peggy O’Neills, Dot Tavern......?
Dot Ave.
Looks like you're going to be next . .
Well, it was good knowing you, my friend. Someday, we'll all meet again in the big Kenmore Square in the sky.
... in the Rat's bathroom.
... in the Rat's bathroom.
Happy to see the market will be saved.
The owner Peter Mcgee is a gentleman who has the best meat selection in Dorchester.
Great project
I've lived next to this intersection for 20 years, it's exactly what we need. Nice upgrade for Dot Market, better density for safer streets, plenty of small units for the people who now have to fill up all the 3 deckers on the side streets.