Police: T bus driver runs red light, plows into school bus in Egleston Square
Updated with statement by Transit Police.
Transit Police report the driver of a 44 bus didn't stop for a flashing red light at Columbus Avenue and Washington Street around 5:45 a.m. and ran into a BPS school bus already in the intersection.
Five passengers on the T bus reported minor injuries, police say, adding some were taken to local hospitals for care. There were no students on the school bus.
Police add:
The matter remains under investigation. That being said at this stage of the investigation we know enough, with confidence, the MBTA bus operator will be issued a Massachusetts citation for Failure to Stop. (M.G.L. Chapter 89 Section 9).
#Boston Public School bus vs #MBTA bus at Columbus Ave. and Washington St. No children on the school bus. Possibly 3 transported from the MBTA bus. @universalhub @doogs1227 @Tami_Tucci @Dutyron pic.twitter.com/BIyQgqJjhR
— Rick Macomber (@boston_camera) March 26, 2018
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Yikes
Thank the lord there was no kids on the bus. Whose in charge of the investigation? Does the Boston police handle the incident because a school bus was involved or do the Transit Police take charge because an MBTA bus was involved?
I'm sure those newfangled
I'm sure those newfangled Boston Public Schools DOT people who run around in brand-new Explorer Police Interceptors are involved. Gotta justify the tax expenditure.
Aggressive BPS bus driving
Over the last few weeks, I've encountered buses driving very aggressively en route to the Mozart in Roslindale. While I've been waiting to make the right hand turn onto South St., I've seen the bus will drive very quickly past traffic on the left side before turning down the street the Mozart is on. I don't know if the drivers are running late or what but they are driving way too fast considering how many people cross the street between Autozone/Dunkins and the other side of the street.
Patches of Ice
There are patches of ice out this morning, too.
Not surprised
I have no idea of the circumstances behind this crash but based on my own observations of bus-driver behavior (MBTA buses, MBTA 'the ride' vans, yellow school buses, and vans with 'school transport' signs) I'm surprised we don't see more crash reports like this.
No kidding
Bus drivers seem to believe they are universally entitled to the right of way, and will bull anyone else out of their path. (Also run stale yellow/fresh red lights. Constantly.)
I would have assumed they'd yield to another bus, but... maybe they just get used to getting their way.
Herald story says
I'd like to know which local hospital has beds big enough for buses.
ACME Emergency
and Auto Body. Where the Chief Surgeon and his staff are also ASE certified mechanics.
This is ROXBURY, Not JP.
This is ROXBURY, Not JP.
Let Me Introduce You To Neighbohrood Creep
Yes, it is Roxbury, except for the real estate people, then Egleston is the Eastern side of Jamaica Plain.
Remember, the South End really ends at Northampton Street, but don't tell that to the real estate brokers. Somehow as the predominate skin hue in the area going towards Dudley has gotten ever more paler in the past 40 years, the South End has gotten bigger.
Egleston is Roxbury, has been Roxbury for as long as I can remember. Don't let the hucksters take it away from you.
Let me introduce you to history
Roxbury originally went west to Dedham. It originally included Brookline Village, Mission Hill, Jamaica Plain, Roslindale, and, yes, West Roxbury. However, it did not go all the way to Northampton Street, because that was under water and there was no Northampton Street.
Over time, the boundaries of what we recognize as Roxbury have changed not just once or twice, but continously. Of course, it doesn't really matter anymore because Boston almost as quickly as as the various areas removed themselves from Roxbury, Boston annexed them back and Roxbury no longer really exists at all.
Now if you're one of those people who thinks that Boston should remain divided neatly into neighborhoods by race, then of course it matters a great deal. At one point Roxbury was where we dumped the black people who showed up en masse 100 years after the Civil War, and where we did our damndest to ensure they stayed. Now all of a sudden, white people are moving back and oddly it's the black people themselves, who spent decades trying to get out of Roxbury, who now want to keep the white people out. And suddenly, the location of a boundary that changed several times in the 1870s matters to people who want to define Boston in the 2010s as it was in the 1970s.
But racial politics being fought by proxy using imaginary geographic boundaries are going to fail. Boston is not now, and never has been, a place that stands still. Each generation has lived in a Boston very different then the one their parents did. That includes everything from the total population, the racial and ethnic makeup, how we get around, what the major employers are, and even what we call the neighborhoods and where the boundaries are recognized.
Nothing is permanent in this city. Never has been, is not now, and does not show any signs of becoming so. Deal with it. We live in a society where people come and go and neighborhoods change, and our city is not immune to that.
I'm West Indian and have
I'm West Indian and have spent all 21 years of my life living on Westminster Ave just up the street from this incident. I've seen this area incorrectly called Jamaica Plain far too many times in these 21 years and was just correcting Adam. I have no idea what you're going on about.
Oh, I would never call Westminster JP
Unfortunately, I had reason to identify its location the other day.
And that matters because why?
And that matters because why?
'Cuz
That's all.
The info was false. How does
The info was false. How does that not matter?
JP vs. Roxbury
I've always used the intersection of Columbus and Washington as the dividing line - Roxbury to the north and JP to the south. I guess under that, I'd need to know which side of the intersection this happened on. Based on the position of the round tower, I guessed JP.
I've always considered
I've always considered anything west of columbus ave Jamaica Plain. Egleston House of Pizza, Stony Brook, and Jackson Square father up Columbus Ave.
Maybe it's not JP in your
Maybe it's not JP in your mind because you wouldn't be caught anywhere else other than Centre Street, shopping along at Boing and On Centre and eating at CitiFeed. Every walk down Jackson? Bromley Heath? Egleston? Every keep walking just a few steps further down the road past Chauncy's, McDonald's, etc. I didn't think so.
Was this towards me? I'm
Was this towards me? I'm Bajan and live in the area wtf?
No, not you
So you can relax for now.
Is that light usually blinking?
I thought Washington and Columbus had a full traffic light, not just a blinker. (But maybe it's on a timer and in blinking mode before 6 am?)
Before 6 am
That light blinks until 6:00 am. I've seen a number of near-misses there in the early morning hours.
T Bus drivers are the worst.
I see this all the time. They don't wait for Redlights especially in Chinatown. They don't stop for pedestrians in the crosswalk. They do not obey the speed limit. I know they strive to be on time but safety should always be number one priority.
Obligatory link
to the time my dash cam caught a bus veering into oncoming traffic to pass me, when I was stopped at a red light:
Wow
I hope that you reported that!
Bus 0473
Visible at around 18 seconds.
I've tweeted at the T many
I've tweeted at the T many times about bus drivers running red lights, even turning left on red into crosswalks when pedestrians have the walk signal. Doesn't seem to make a difference. The same intersections keep having problems.
Yep
I’ve reported drivers too, via MBtA site. I have never gotten a reply.I imagine it just gets ignored.
The next location where this
The next location where this will happen is where the light at Hyde Park Ave. and entrance to lower bus way is . Now it's actually even worse because nobody pays attention to the new traffic lights and the construction trucks are coming in and out of the former LAZ parking lot constantly.
Aggressive driving has long been a problem here in the Bay State
but it's gotten much, much worse. That looks like a horrible crash. Luckily, nobody was killed, but people could've been. Maybe there need to be more cops out on the beat.
How so?
According to what metric?
The idea being that the cops
The idea being that the cops would ticket aggressive/dangerous drivers? I could get behind that.
Watertown Police have done some experiments where they pick an intersection and pull over every poorly-behaved driver, cyclist, and pedestrian, usually just to give them a warning. (Faster, I suppose, and they think it might be more effective than restricting themselves to tickets.) Curious to see if it makes a difference.
A lot
A lot of driver's get behind the wheel of there T bus and think they are above the rest of drivers. When actually they should yield to the public who pays a high price to ride with there driver playing chicken, running red lights, and talking junk to other cars on the road there sliding side window.
OOPS!
The Herald is reporting that the Transit Police originally blamed the Boston school bus driver for the accident. Witnesses came forward and the Transit Police were forced to cite the MBTA driver. Probably not the first time this has happened.