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Seems Fishy
We shall see I suppose.
Retro
The Danger Seeker from Kentucky Fried Movie strikes again.
Their spring grand opening is
Their spring grand opening is this weekend.
https://www.facebook.com/blackmarketdudley
The press attention is convenient.
There's a whole long post on their Facebook page that makes mention of even more racist graffiti.
https://www.facebook.com/blackmarketdudley/posts/500692163679832
Not seeing it in the photo.
Commission a mural for this wall
That is the best way to discourage graffiti, and can also be a good way to advertise the new business.
Usually
Unless, of course, the city's Graffiti Busters team decides to obliterate that, while ignoring tons of actual graffiti in the same neighborhood because they haven't received a specific 311 report about each individual tag.
What's funny is that since
What's funny is that since the City obliterated the Linden St. mural because it was "sexist" (though after it was redone to remove all sexism), the site has been covered in normal crappy graffiti and the City has done no further graffiti removal.
That mural was a crudely
That mural was a crudely hyper-sexualized stereotypical depiction of a woman of color... you can't understand why that was inappropriate for a public mural?
The artist redid the Linden Street mural
to remove the image that you and others considered offensive -- and the city still wiped it out a few days later.
Normally murals discourage
Normally murals discourage graffitti because the people who do graffitt do not want to disrupt a positive image... if they are writing white lives matter on the side of a black shop I wonder if a mural depicting happy black residents would discourage them?
How come we never get a "sounds fishy" response to swasitkas?
n/t
swastikas?
same as white lives matter?
I said it sounds fishy
I don't know what you are implying but the last time I read about a swastika it turned out to be phony. I think they Painted KKK as well.
Pop over to fakehatecrimes.org and read for yourself.
It's not an unusual occurrence,
So I hear.....
That sometimes teenagers do things to get attention and recognition. Some of them might think its cool or fun having published acts of vandalism, etc..... Just saying. it might be possible.
I hate to chime in on this, but I will
Mainly because I do think this could be fishy. Or it could be a legit racist act. The reason I think it is fishy is because if I (and I consider myself about average for white Bostonians when it comes to being racist) wanted to throw up some racist graffiti, "white lives matter" would be really low on my list of things to write. The closest thing I can think of is to cover up the first word in "black lives matter" with the word white, but that wasn't done here. I mean, I don't want to provide other ideas, because I would scantly want to write or speak them, but suffice to say some racial slurs would be what one would lead with, not a rephrasing of a catchphrase in the civil rights movement.
I mean, the theory is that some racist white person (or people) went all the way to Dudley Square, broke out the spray paint, and wrote that!? It just seems fishy to me.
On a semi related note, there was some poor woman who had what really looked like a racist statement written on her wall or fence or whatever in the South End a little while back. It was pretty bad. However, it was also the title of a reggae song from the 1970s. Can't excuse the graffiti. Can't excuse the phrase. But there is a good chance that the person who wrote it was either black or was really down with black culture.
Inconceivable!
I mean what are the chances that a person who's been trying to get the city to go after the people who've been putting graffiti on her building would do something to make it impossible for the city to ignore the graffiti on her building?
And it's not illegal either, that's the beauty of it. Putting graffiti on your own building isn't a crime and telling the city "zOMG! look at what's on my wall!" isn't filing a false report either, since there's real graffiti on there.
And the free ad in the Globe (and on Uhub) is icing on the cake.
And the tastier icing is that there isn't actually anything to get angry about from either side should the truth come out. "White lives matter" is pretty sedate.
Yawn
Gaslighting and fake "gotcha" sites are not reality.
This market has pretty well documented what is going on across a number of sources - IF you bothered to read the article.
Of course the right wing wants to ban any and all people carrying around signs in protest because they don't want to cope with the cognitive dissonance of witnessing reality.
Lay off the crack
You seem to be replying to a post from the Pink Elephant, not from me.
Oh Mister Clever
You really need to understand that many of us here know the difference between a smart person and a flim flam man.
You are a flim flam man. No about of nice vocabulary and tortured "logic" based on spurious premises will ever cover the ugly ideas you hold dear and the weak shit you are selling.
Flimmity-flammity-floo!
I hope you had someone drive you home today. You shouldn't ride your bike when you're in that condition. You might hurt yourself.
like pornography you know it when you see it
You are delusional
You are so superficial.
You will find out, in time, that the people that you are imitating are entirely essentialists - as in they believe that one is inherently and essentially white and Christian, and nothing changes that.
Hopefully before they start eliminating "others".
How a racist would react
But if you were a racist white person, or even an I'm-not-a-racist-white-person-BUT white person, and you saw "Black Lives Matter" on the wall, you might very well be moved to spray "White Lives Matter" on top and feel all good about yourself for doing so.
My counterpoint
If I have a thing about black people, what they heck would I be doing in Dudley Square.
Now, if I really wanted to mark BLM up in the most racist of ways, I'd add a "don't" after "lives" (but again, in reality I would never do that, just to be crystal clear.) Someone a bit more racist than me might cross out "black" and put "all" (and again, I would not do that in reality, for so many reasons.) But that's not what happened here, so the BLM thing is very theoretical.
Conversely, since it has been established that the word "white" has been on the building for some time, the odds of someone going by the wall and being inspired to add "lives matter" is an interesting one. Could it have been a ploy by the building owner to get the wall cleaned by the City? Maybe. Could someone really have decided to mess with the community by adding to the original work? Perhaps. Who knows?
Whatever
It's OK to be white. It's OK to be black. It's OK to be neither.
What's that smell...?
Smells...like...uncontrolled white privilege. You should see someone about that before it festers and boils start to develop.
And, on another note, Roman does not disappointment me
this morning. Thank you for once again proving me correct that you do not (or choose not to) understand what is behind the "Black Lives Matter" movement.
Whatever again
I understand that 80% of it is pleasant-sounding nonsense and another 10% is outright lies. That's what comes with understanding...the ability to evaluate and judge.
Now you're supposed to tell me that I can't understand because I'm not black, so I just have to trust the people telling me what to think.
Then I come back with something about scientific falsifiability and not allowing the passions of the crowd to dictate public policy.
Then you call me a racist again.
Then if I'm still paying attention to the thread, I call out a couple of the lies by name, like "hands up, don't shoot" or the testimony presented at George Zimmerman's trial, or statistics about police use of force relative to interactions with members of all races, or whatever.
Then if you're paying attention and if you're really into it, you give me an anecdote about someone you know or someone in the news getting the Doug Glanville treatment.
Then I come back with a counterpoint about how the two guys in the Starbucks wouldn't have caused a scene if they'd paid two dollars for a coffee instead of causing a scene. I might add how white man me would probably have been asked to leave too if he'd asked to use the bathroom and refused to buy anything or leave after being told it was for customers only, and how I've seen homeless people in the coffee shop two blocks away from that one buy a coffee before using the bathroom because that was store policy and they didn't want to make a scene either.
By that time it's probably 2AM and it's bedtime. Who knows what we'll find on the forums the following morning to get our blood pumping?
Obviously you've never been to Starbucks
Two dollars for a Starbucks Coffee??? Take a look next time you go past a Starbucks. You'll see people sitting at tables reading a paper and working on laptops without a coffee or pastry on the table. I've used their free wifi without buying anything. Nobody bothered me.I've used their bathroom with out buying anything. Nobody questioned me. Nobody called the cops on me.
Yep. Two dollars
Maybe 2.05 or 2.10 for the littlest one.
You can freeload all you want dude. Last time I went into a Starbucks without buying something was before I was a legal adult.
Here's a thought....
Maybe they finished and discarded their coffee/pastry by the time you went by to watch them sit at the tables?
And of course...
...the staff knows exactly which of these people made prior purchases and thus who should be accorded bathroom privileges. Riiiiight.
Of course not.
Why would they?
Nobody called you a racist
You self-identified.
This'll make it better
The lengths you go through
to just give liberals/dems/leftists, what have you, headaches takes so, so much more energy than just admitting that there is, in fact, racism in the world. So if anyone calls you a racist, it's probably because you're resistant to the fact that racism exists. To the extent that you post crap like the comment I'm responding to. You're not edgy.
I'm not going for "edgy"
I'm going for "dismissive of nonsense."
You won't find one post I made where I "deny racism." But you know that. You're just trying come up with a way to ask me if I've stopped beating my wife. Have you?
Um, you just contradicted yourself
Saying this is "nonsense" is denying or being dismissive of acknowledging racism.
Sure
If dismissing a something that looks, walks, and quacks like a PR stunt as a PR stunt is denying racism, ya got me.
Methinks he doth protest too much.
Roman. Roman. Roman.
"I understand that 80% of it is pleasant-sounding nonsense and another 10% is outright lies. That's what comes with understanding...the ability to evaluate and judge."
If you are lying to me, that is a problem, even 10 percent. And what part of "white lives matter' is pleasant?
"Now you're supposed to tell me that I can't understand because I'm not black, so I just have to trust the people telling me what to think."
I am not black, either, and no, that is not what I meant.
"Then I come back with something about scientific falsifiability and not allowing the passions of the crowd to dictate public policy."
This has nothing to do with crowd psychology. Equating "white lives matter" or "all lives matter" with "black lives matter" is wrong and, yes, racist.
"Then you call me a racist again."
I am not calling you, personally, a racist. But your comments scare me.
"Then if I'm still paying attention to the thread, I call out a couple of the lies by name, like "hands up, don't shoot" or the testimony presented at George Zimmerman's trial, or statistics about police use of force relative to interactions with members of all races, or whatever."
And I would come back with refutes to discount your misinformation.
"Then if you're paying attention and if you're really into it, you give me an anecdote about someone you know or someone in the news getting the Doug Glanville treatment."
Naw, at that point, why would I waste my time?
"Then I come back with a counterpoint about how the two guys in the Starbucks wouldn't have caused a scene if they'd paid two dollars for a coffee instead of causing a scene. I might add how white man me would probably have been asked to leave too if he'd asked to use the bathroom and refused to buy anything or leave after being told it was for customers only, and how I've seen homeless people in the coffee shop two blocks away from that one buy a coffee before using the bathroom because that was store policy and they didn't want to make a scene either."
Really? Well, the two black guys said they were there for a business meeting. And, honestly, Starbucks has a pretty liberal policy of letting folks hang out...except if you are black, apparently.
Hit a nerve?
Let's talk about it some more. Everyone has a secret pain. Share your pain with me, and take strength from the sharing.
People are just going ...
.... to keep on misunderstanding and being confused about the meaning of the phrase, “Black Lives Matter”. Even many of those who are against rascism. While absolutely true, it’s just worded ambiguously. This graffiti was most likely intended as a hate crime but the reaction to it will also confuse people.
Worded Ambiguously?
It's a modified noun - Black Lives - and a verb, Matter. It states that there is value to black lives. That's all it says. It's not the fault of activists or black people that people can't read, and seem to interpret a VERY simple statement as ambiguous or as some variation of "ONLY black lives matter," "black lives matter MORE," "black lives matter and you're racist," or whatever absurd misreading they're using to justify such a virulent reaction.
Black Lives Matter As Much As
Black Lives Matter As Much As Everyone Else Yet Society Keeps Treating Black People As Less Than Equal And That's A Problem
Is that clear enough for my fellow white people?
Probably not.
Probably not.
Not Really.
If one has an understanding of our history, in regards to how blacks have been and continue to be treated in this country, in general, not confusing at all.
Where's the issue
Defacing property is childish but white lives do matter.
Thanks Stephen!
Without your astute observation, we probably would have forgotten all about white people! I know I forget about them all the time, which is weird, because I am one and am surrounded by them. It sure is a systemic problem, what with white people having no advocates anywhere in government, law enforcement, health care, education, transportation, industry, finance, or technology. Maybe you can help spearhead the movement to bring white identity back to the forefront, where it definitely is not and has not been since the first days of European colonization.
Sprechen sie douche
What the hell is white identity?
Whooosh
That is the sound of the point flying past your head, untroubled by your attention.
What it is
Maybe your movement sucks because you don't like answering questions about it.
"If you have an important point to make, don’t try to be subtle or clever. Use a pile driver. Hit the point once. Then come back and hit it again. Then hit it a third time - a tremendous whack." - Winston Churchill
If you don't understand the
If you don't understand the Black Lives Matter movement, then go educate yourself. Maybe watch 13th on Netflix.
It's not our job to educate you. You're going to have to put in a LITTLE effort, besides making snarky comments on internet forums.
I want one
Just one little definition.
That's it. Not an education. Not a thesis. One definition.
In a normal world, people get stuck on little things all the time and someone helps them out. Around here it seems the social justice warriors spend WAY too much time and effort avoiding one little definition.
I wonder why that is.
You've been provided with enough information
That you can go ahead and try it yourself. Give it a go and we can review together in further comments.
One definition...
But it's a doozy.
Black Lives Matter
[blak lahyvz mat-er]
noun
1. a political and social movement originating among African Americans, emphasizing basic human rights and racial equality for black people and campaigning against various forms of racism. Abbreviations: BLM, B.L.M.
More information can be found here:
I'm happy to provide this definition and further resources for self-education because I believe it is important and because providing information is what I do and am passionate about. But the reason why people don't serve you up a definition on demand isn't because they don't owe you one and you're not entitled to one. That isn't intended to be cruel or social justice warrior-y, it just is. If you see someone in a wheelchair, you're not entitled to know *why* they're in a wheelchair. You can, however, take it upon yourself to learn about disability and access and ensure that you treat people in wheelchairs the same way you treat people who aren't in wheelchairs, which is, hopefully, respectfully.
I hope you will take the definition and further information as a starting point to learn more about the movement and why so many people are passionate about saying "Black Lives Matter." I hope it will encourage you to do some self-reflection. And I hope you'll discover that black lives are as important as white lives and brown lives and the lives of all your fellow humans.
You didn't ask a question
You didn't ask a question, nimrod.
I have to ask...
big fan of Breitbart and Howie Carr? A Diehl voter? Curious as to how far you go with this shit.
How far?
Somewhere short of knowing what white identity means, obviously.
Assuming you have internet access
There has been plenty written about this, which you could easily locate and study, if anyone actually believed for a minute that you were interested in learning about any of this and not just stirring shit up on a message board
He's not just stirring shit
He embodies it on a daily basis with his incessant woman and minority hate.
Ask him about his African heritage - Afrikaans, of course.
Get it straight
I am African-AMERICAN. Not African.
And it is not my identity. It is just a fact. I don't get a newsletter or have any Afrikaner tattoos or anything. If I was so inclined, I might someday identify with my Hispanic roots in Rabo de Peixe.
Troll Identity
I'm not sure if you're really African-American, but you're definitely a troll.
You are the problem
And it shouldn't matter anyway. I was not the one who brought it up.
You are the one all hung up on ethnicity to the point of putting it first and foremost in your written thoughts. The more I have posters like you tying me to my ethnicity, the more my voice is drowned out. My voice has value.
Shame on you.
Yes, yes you are
People who deny that racism exists and hurts are definitely the problem.
Nope.
Your voice has no value. You're a troll.
Find a real hobby kid.
I don't understand your position
What exactly is it, and what objections do you have to people reacting negatively to the graffiti? Where and/or why do you think they are wrong to feel that this is offensive?
What position am I being assigned?
My position is that I do not know what white identity is.
From what I gather, it is something that was once at the forefront and now there are supposedly some that want it back at the forefront.... leading me to conclude that this white identity thing is most definitely not at the forefront. No one notified me of any of this until today.
It is hard to take an actual position when the nuances and ramifications of the concept elude me.
In that case
You're typing in the wrong box on the internet. Steer away from UHub comments and go to the Google Search search box.
Goose egg
Google has no definition for white identity.
But that helps.
That leads me to believe the left fears a definition.
I am learning. Carry on.
First search result for 'what is white idenity'
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/charlottesville-and-the-rise-of-whi...
Liberals and leftists aren't writing the definition. It's coming from the right. I don't believe you that you can't find a definition of it. Certain people are screaming about it in the quote above, but it's not necessarily limited to them.
Improve your google-fu.
Charlottesville where
Charlottesville where privileged college going white men wearing khakis and a white polo and carrying tiki torches chanted "Jews will not replace us" After which Donald Trump revealed his moral depravity and Republicans, who for decades had run on the southern strategy, rebuked Donnie "murderous neo-Nazi's are very fine people" Trump. What a horrible idea to try to divide the country on race.
What da frig
THAT is what white identity is?
FACT - Someone claimed white identify was in the forefront.
That shit was *NEVER* in the forefront.
Tiki torches indeed. And the only Jew hating going on in this country worth noting is from the left wing media. Tons and tons of rich privileged white boys ARE Jews, you dink.
That is
That is white nationalism
Pay attention
Which is centered around
having "white identity."
Don't be obtuse.
I would
I would be less obtuse if people would stop using white nationalism as a definition for white identity.
Fact - Someone stated white identity was in the foreground and now is in the background
Fact - someone is trying to claim the definition of white identity is white nationalism
Fact - this would be much easier if someone would just define white identity
I didn't define it as white nationalism
And just told you that white nationalism is born out of having an identify of that of being white. You're being obtuse and not fooling anyone. Again, what exactly is your end goal, here?
Yeah
But that does NOT help me out with the one tiny question I posed:
What *is* white identity?
Refer to my other comment
Where I ask you to try your hand at making a definition of it and we can go from there.
Hokay
White - a Caucasian person
Identity - the fact of being who a person is.
White identity - the fact of being a Caucasian person.
Good work
Now see how that can be used by the white nationalists I cited above and how it could play into the graffiti in question. Not hard. I give every bit of credibility to the fact that fake hate speech has vandalized things before, but it's best not to hand wave it off so lightly.
We are halfway there
It can be, but white nationalism is fringe. VERY fringe.
A poster claimed white identity was in the forefront and now white identity is in the background but it is wanted and being actively fought for to be in the foreground again.
I will concede to the current existence of white proliferation, but NOT any sort of white identity beyond what is displayed by white nationalists. Most white people have a lot more important things to do than put the word white in front of things to make themselves feel better. I believe 99 percent of white people do not even think about being white.
White privilege does exist in the USA, but the whites have both fought themselves and worked together for eons to end up with it as a by-product. Playing victim did not produce too many privileged winners over the centuries and it is not going to work now. And speaking of white identity, how did that white nationalism work out for the Germans?
Here is a definition for you
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_lioning
Your comments fit the sealion pattern of trolling.
Even If you aren't purposely trolling, you're still acting like a troll and people will react accordingly.
I did not mention grafitti
None.
Graffiti is a low IQ thing and wrong.
Good answer!
Now I have a little more insight! Well done?
Advocates for us
Are disappearing.
Just a typical white guy's observation
disappearing? Fck more if you consider it a problem
If you consider it a problem, it's a problem of you own making. Don't worry white lives still over represent where it counts 9 of 13.
Are you related to this guy?
Good. RIP.
Good. RIP.
Oh bitter tears!
Who, he asks, but WHO WILL SPEAK for the majority oppressor?
Poor little bunny.
Naw,
you still have the current Republican Party.
We already know that white lives matter
Our entire culture is full of white people and their lives mattering. How many things in this country are named after George Washington, one of the most famous white guys? We don't need to say that white lives matter because we can see it plainly in who runs companies, who is in our government, who is pictured on our currency (with the exception of the Sacajawea gold dollar coin), who we name things after, who is on television in starring roles, etc etc etc.
Black Lives Matter does not equal White Lives Don't Matter.
Black Lives Matter equals something like... Black Lives Should Matter Just As Much As White Lives But Often They Do Not And People of Color Especially Black People Tend to Face Violence At The Hands Of White Officers And In Other Situations Where Violence Would Not Be Used On White People.
Further, the phrase "White Lives Matter" has been trotted out in response to "Black Lives Matter" and has never been used otherwise.
In this case, defacing the property is not childish. Childish is spray painting a butt or "so-and-so is dumb." Spray painting "White Lives Matter" on a black-owned business is violence and possibly even classifiable as a hate crime. It is intended to wound. It is intended to denigrate. It is intended to cause fear in black people. It's wrong.
This is awful
This is awful, clearly a hate crime. To my fellow white people posting or thinking things like "all lives matter" or agreeing that "white lives matter," please stop. Saying that black lives matter doesn't mean that your life doesn't. Stop centering yourselves in this conversation. This isn't about you. We already know that white lives matter, given the advantages we as white people have in this country, just by existing- employment, housing, inherited wealth, education, protection by police, etc. Black people have NEVER been afforded the same advantages white people have always had in this country. Black lives matter, and if you feel the need to argue with this statement, you're part of the problem. Black lives matter.
Very well said, Steph!
And to add, those who do insist that "all lives matter" and/or "white lives matter" need to bone up their reading on black/white relations in this country since, oh, heck, since our beginning to the present day.
Can I get this on a t-shirt??
Can I get this on a t-shirt??
Graffiti on the walls
This is offensive as is most graffiti painted on the streets and subways of Boston. Lets see what happens if this person is identified. The courts in Boston don't take illegal guns, drug dealing or muggings seriously so if a person is charged he or she will probably mandated to take an art class at the Museum of Fine Arts.
important to document/photograph/compile all Street Art/Graffiti
It's important to document/photograph/compile all Street Art/Graffiti https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Street_art
Even the most reprehensible!
Another fake story
As reported hours ago on turtleboy, this story is about as fake as can be, a google maps street image from July showed this has been on the wall for at least 8 months. And it’s in a hardly noticeable spot behind a fence. And there’s a fancy graffiti mural on the building next store, that probably would cost money, unless you were the victim of a “crime”. But instead of invstigating, and seeking out facts, all of you spent 74 comments contemplating white provelage. The racial-industrial complex is alive and well in this sad city...
But ....
You still see nothing wrong with "White Lives Matter" scrawled on a wall in Dudley Square?
It wasn't though
White was on the wall but lives matter was clearly added later for the cameras and publicity.
Ah yes
The old "racism doesn't exist - people just make it up" nonsense.
Go back to your white hole, racism denier. Or, better yet, expend your efforts considering what people of color have to live through on a daily basis - including dealing with racist asses like you.
Turtleboy Is A Racist Cesspool
If anyone has never seen this despicable collection of racist garbage, check it out. It's Boston own little townie redneck Storm Front. Anyone who advertises with this little hate-filled pile of garbage should be boycotted for coming within 2 miles of these scumbags.
Worcester, not Boston
That web site is not our fault.
Been counting
In the last 12 months, fat ugly social justice warrior chick articles are running 37 white to 1 black.
That ain't racist.
Whoh
You are either completely lacking in self awareness or a consummate racist sexist troll.
Why...
...can't it be both?
capecoddah is much more predictable than the MBTA, although I think it's a tossup between him and Roman for disingenuous sea-lion bullshit. Both are rancid racist trash, though. Too bad uhub doesn't have a block feature; they're given liberty to crap their racist sexist bullshit all over here.
Kweli responded by accusing Turtleboy of being racist
I didn't know Aidan Kearney AKA TurtleBoySports lost his job as a teacher at Shepard Hill and had a beef on social media with Talib Kweli Greene
masslive:
Oh noes reporting
A few paragraphs later
Worst
Reporting
Ever
Super Fishy
If you put the address into Google Maps and look at street view pictures from 2016 you can see the Graffiti predates the existence of Black Market ,and to me it looks like it just says "WHITE".
"lives matter" looks like it had been added.
Also, the Black Market Facebook page is gone.
https://www.google.com/maps/place/2148+Washington+St,+Boston,+MA+02119/@42.3315867,-71.0821211,3a,15y,74.73h,83.08t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sg6bumybX1xLwY6H4K6j2XQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656!4m5!3m4!1s0x89e37a3b98061109:0x19d456db2f810ba0!8m2!3d42.331403!4d-71.081761
Black Market Facebook page
is back online