WBUR reports.
Cardinal O'Malley's complete statement, which concludes:
These individuals and families are fleeing documented violence, chaos and murder in the neighborhoods of Central America. The United States is now openly before the world using children as pawns to enforce a hostile immigration policy. This strategy is morally unacceptable and denies the clear danger weighing upon those seeking our assistance.
As a Catholic bishop, I support political and legal authority. I have always taught respect for the civil law and will continue to do so. But, I cannot be silent when our country’s immigration policy destroys families, traumatizes parents, and terrorizes children. The harmful and unjust policy of separating children from their parents must be ended.
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Funny
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 9:57am
He was rather quite under Obama!
Bullshit
By adamg
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:28am
No, he wasn't. There may be plenty of reasons to criticize him, but his consistency on immigration issues is not one of them.
In January, 2016, he, along with other bishops, called on the governent to stop deporting mothers and children.
In November, 2014, he called on the US to continue admitting Syrian immigrants even after the Paris attacks.
In September, 2013, he sent a letter to parishoners supporting "a secure path to citizenship for the 11 million undocumented persons already in this country" and an end to the separation of children from their parents.
I'm sure there's more out there, but you could probably find such stuff as easily as I could.
Ok so it is YOU
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:17am
Who was quite on criticizing Obama!
I believe the word you are looking for,
By Bob Leponge
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:33am
is "quiet"
Quite wrong, my fine furried friend
By adamg
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:37am
I don't tend to overtly post long rants for or against national issues, but I did cover some local ramifications of Obama's immigration policy, like here, here and here.
Any other ill-informed bloviation you need clearing up? Operators are standing by, but maybe you should learn how to use a search engine first.
Use a search engine? These
By tofu
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:04pm
Use a search engine? These right-wing bots just regurgitate what's fed to them by Fox News and always share a common theme of being unable to spell properly.
Spellcheck Magee, please admit you're not disturbed
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 9:37am
as long as its little brown kids being locked up.
O'Malley pushes the flock further away from the church
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:14am
Disgraceful comments by O'Malley. Is it a comedy act that on the same day the Boston Herald is called "damaged" and "once feisty" that Cardinal O'Malley is venerated with no mention that his once powerful Archdiocese is in freefall and in much further decline than the newspaper?
The Cardinal claims support of the rule of law and even holds a "Blue Mass" to honor those who enforce it. Illegal immigration is against the law. The Cardinal would be better served using his multi-lingual skills to inform potential migrants to stay home or else risk enforcement of the very rule of law he claims to respect. Sometimes God's love means respecting boundaries.
Maybe someday a reporter will investigate O'Malley's office and the many six figure salaries with deep ties to staunch pro-abortion Joe Biden. When I last looked, the "Superintendent of Schools" for the Archdiocese (tiny enrollment) was "earning" an outrageous salary near half a million, far more than the Superintendent of Schools in New York City (huge enrollment), yet they ask us for a "second collection for poor retired priests" at Sunday Mass. Really shameless by O'Malley.
Truly, you embody the
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:11am
Truly, you embody the Christian spirit.
Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's goods
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:30am
It doesn't get more Christian than Exodus 20:17. I'm not sure what's worse, Cardinal O'Malley urging illegals to come here, cut the line and accept taxpayer funded benefits (coveting thy neighbor's goods), or the Cardinal paying nearly half a million dollars to a Superintendent of a few schools (though shall not steal). The pro-abortion Biden holdovers in O'Malley's office are possibly more scandalous. 'Rebuild my church" has never meant more.
Matthew 25?
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:54am
But sure, a book in the old testament definitely more Christian, than, say, the actual fucking words of Christ himself:
Try the New Testament
By MostlyHarmless
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:09pm
"I give you a new commandment, that you love one another. Just as I have loved you, you also should love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another.†(Jn. 13:34-35)
"If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person?" (1 Jn. 3:17)
Though shall not steal? Like
By Kinopio
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:19pm
Though shall not steal? Like how Trump is having children stolen from their parents? You bring up abortion like you give a shit about children then you show how you are in favor of children being ripped from their parents and placed in disgusting internment camps. How is that pro life or family values?
LOL
By Marco
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 3:49pm
"doesn't get more Christian than this Jewish scripture"
ahahahahahaha
Man you're dumb. Each post just proves it more and more.
No dumber than somebody ignorant of Christian teachings
By adamg
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 5:08pm
There's a reason Christians have no problems eating shrimp, despite the prohibition in Leviticus that observant Jews still follow.
Trivial? Not really. Somebody who professes to be an observant Christian is going to follow the precepts of Christ and his apostles - including all those un-Murrican, anti-Trumpian concepts as turning the other cheek, protecting the least among us, recognizing the beam in thine own eye, etc.
People who have abandoned those principles and instead take Old Testament sections out of context and get all vengeful and wrathful, are they really Christians anymore? They're certainly not Jews (trust me on this) and they should stop treating the Old Testament as some sort of religious smorgasbord. And they should frickin' keep the Judeo out of their alleged Judeo-Christian "heritage," because they are contravening what Jews (Orthodox Union possibly excepted) believe in.
Speak for yourself dude
By Roman
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:54pm
Law enforcement is ugly.
A lack of enforced laws is uglier.
Says this Jew who's not Orthodox and enjoys his ham and cheese sandwiches.
How about...
By lbb
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 10:35am
...non-ugly law enforcement?
You have a blinkered imagination, Roman.
Like
By Roman
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 11:29am
asking politely with an implied threat of asking politely a second time?
Your comment seems to imply you've led a sheltered life. That's not a bad thing, it just means you need to be more aware of your blind spots.
The William Calley defense. War is ugly.
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 12:20pm
Pay no attention to those dead civilians.
Starting with ignorance of what being a Christian means
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:17pm
Sleeping through Catechism won't save you, Fishy.
I was always taught that the old testament was not the way of Christians - that the teachings of Jesus were the only god law you need.
Too many ignorant "Christians" wearing abominable poly-cotton blend shirts while screaming KILL HOMOS and ripping children from their mother's breast.
I was always taught that the
By Rob
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 6:15pm
ummm.... Glad I didn't have your teachers, then.
A few observations -
In short - (a) the Old Testament is very much the way* of Christians, and (b) all you need is what Jesus taught, yes, but you need to think a bit about what it was he was teaching.
* that way being (hopefully) a little more nuanced than what Rowan Atkinson's Blackadder might describe one-dimensionally as "wanting the Old Testament God of Vengeance to come out of retirement"
That may be true, but ...
By adamg
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 7:07pm
To continue the discussion here, if somebody's going to follow the Old Testament, you need to really follow it and not just pick out the stuff about vengeance and smiting, because there's a lot more to it. Take Leviticus 19:34:
Deuteronomy 10:19 says the same basic thing.
Personally, I think some people could benefit from reading the Song of Solomon, but to each his own.
I particularly enjoyed the
By Rob
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 7:32pm
I particularly enjoyed the Star Trek novel somebody wrote about Sarek's early days on Earth. He meets some religious "fundamentalist" at a reception. Somewhere in conversation with this chapter & verse literalist, Sarek asks him (in all non-emotional cultural curiosity) if that philosophy of strict adherence extends to whichever O.T. book/chapter/verse that specifies how (in the desert) to go out, have a bowel movement, and scrape yourself clean afterwards with a piece of wood or something.
Amanda, who's with him as he's telling this story to Kirk & McCoy, adds that the aftermath of the conversation stirred up some interest from the 23rd-century successors to trash tabloids: Demon Alien Pursued by Angry Mob
There is a difference...
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:19am
between "illegal immigration" and seeking asylum from violence . And imprisoning children including babies and toddlers in a concentration camp solves nothing and is hateful and harmful.
These comments from you are hateful and despicable, but we have come to expect nothing less from you.
There is a process for asylum, see the Tsarnaev family
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:47am
There is a process for asylum, see the Tsarnaev family. I'm a firm believer in Matthew 25:40, "whatever you do for the least of my people, you do for me."
O'Malley should use his overpaid staff to make copies of the application for citizenship or asylum, then hand them out and get them submitted to the proper authorities. Cutting the line is not the American or Christian way.
The Vatican or Holy See is a country recognized by the United States. As a prince of the church and potentially in-line for head of state there, O'Malley should work with our U.S. Ambassador and President, not against them.
O'Malley's far-left political grandstanding only confuses the flock, much like the elaborate funeral and burial of Ted Kennedy who opposed Catholic teaching whenever possible. When churches continue to empty, it's because the flock is asking, "why bother?"
Where in the process does it call for separating families?
By lbb
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:26am
Indeed there is. Now show me where in that policy it calls for separating families.
If I believed your God existed, I'd say you just set yourself up for some epic cosmic payback. You arrogant, sanctimonious fool.
Fishy is making it clear
By Sock_Puppet
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:35am
He thinks Baby Jesus should have been torn out of the arms of Mother Mary and locked in a cage. Firm belief.
Hey Bait Brain
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:28pm
JESUS AND HIS FAMILY WERE MIGRANTS WITHOUT RESOURCES.
MARY WAS A TEENAGE MOTHER.
Any questions? Try getting your answers from this conservative Christian minister: https://johnpavlovitz.com/2018/06/08/god-has-nothi...
(this should have gone under Rottenhatefish's statement, not sock puppet's)
Glad to see you've made it clear that you support
By boo_urns
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:21am
these modern day concentration camps and the policies, not laws, that enable them. Really shameless by Fish.
Keep on
By erik g
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:25am
fucking that chicken. Fish.
Christianity has a very clear
By Unquity
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:27am
Christianity has a very clear moral teaching on this issue (hint: check out how Jesus answers the lawyer discoursing on the law):
Luke 10:25-37 King James Version (KJV)
25 And, behold, a certain lawyer stood up, and tempted him, saying, Master, what shall I do to inherit eternal life?
26 He said unto him, What is written in the law? how readest thou?
27 And he answering said, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy strength, and with all thy mind; and thy neighbour as thyself.
28 And he said unto him, Thou hast answered right: this do, and thou shalt live.
29 But he, willing to justify himself, said unto Jesus, And who is my neighbour?
30 And Jesus answering said, A certain man went down from Jerusalem to Jericho, and fell among thieves, which stripped him of his raiment, and wounded him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
31 And by chance there came down a certain priest that way: and when he saw him, he passed by on the other side.
32 And likewise a Levite, when he was at the place, came and looked on him, and passed by on the other side.
33 But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, he had compassion on him,
34 And went to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring in oil and wine, and set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him.
35 And on the morrow when he departed, he took out two pence, and gave them to the host, and said unto him, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, when I come again, I will repay thee.
36 Which now of these three, thinkest thou, was neighbour unto him that fell among the thieves?
37 And he said, He that shewed mercy on him. Then said Jesus unto him, Go, and do thou likewise.
I guess the flock has a choice
By Michael
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:39am
Follow Jesus, or Trump
How anyone can claim to do both without their heads imploding is beyond me, but a person's faith is none of my business
cast the beam out of your own eye
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:42am
"Make sure foreigners and orphans get their just rights. Don’t take the cloak of a widow as security for a loan. Don’t ever forget that you were once slaves in Egypt and God, your God, got you out of there. I command you: Do what I’m telling you.
When you harvest your grain and forget a sheaf back in the field, don’t go back and get it; leave it for the foreigner, the orphan, and the widow so that God, your God, will bless you in all your work. When you shake the olives off your trees, don’t go back over the branches and strip them bare—what’s left is for the foreigner, the orphan, and the widow. And when you cut the grapes in your vineyard, don’t take every last grape—leave a few for the foreigner, the orphan, and the widow. Don’t ever forget that you were a slave in Egypt. I command you: Do what I’m telling you.
Deut. 24 (MSG)
Using "pro-abortion" tells me
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:23am
Using "pro-abortion" tells me all I need to know about you.
You "pro-fetus" types love the idea of babies until they drop out of the mother. Then they are just breeders taking from society and you leave them to fend for themselves. "Have the baby but then f*ck you - you shouldn't have been having sex you dirty whore."
"We love children" say the pro-fetus - we just won't feed, educate, house, insure or help them. Fake ass Christians and you've been duped by the biggest fake Christian "running" the country into the ground. Baa baa sheep...baa baa.
they ask us for a "second
By Rob
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 11:45am
To be specific, it's the up-front, first-and-only collection on Christmas and Easter (along with some fundraiser events). For someone who's there so much, you don't seem to be paying attention.
So, I take it Fishy
By whyaduck
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 3:09pm
that you are not a fan of O'Malley?
While I agree..
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:20am
That this is wrong, you should probably stop using this site as a blog to bitch about Trump, if you want to remain credible. The economy is freakin' booming (and No, not because of Obama), and as long as Trump doesn't start a nuclear war with North Korea and/or Russia, he will 100% win again in 2020... so get over it.
Nah
By adamg
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:32am
If you don't think this site is credible, or that I shouldn't post anything about the statements of the leader of the largest religious group in the Boston area, that's fine. There are plenty of other Web sites out there for you.
Trumpian logic
By Bob Leponge
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:40am
Reporting on a public figure's negative comments about Trump == "Bitching about Trump"
It is the patriotic duty of all journalists to only report things that portray our leader in the most positive light.
Speaking of credibility anon
By anon
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:41am
When you say the current economic situation is "not because of Obama" you lose all credibility.
The state of the current economy is due to a mix of Obama and Trump policies and several factors that have nothing to do with government
Trump inherited a strong
By Kinopio
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:11pm
Trump inherited a strong economy from Obama just like Trump inherited his wealth and business from his daddy. Those are the facts whether you like them or not. Obama set the record for most months of job growth. The streak only ended because his second term did.
The state of the economy
By Rob
Sat, 06/16/2018 - 3:09am
The state of the economy under Trump is similar to what it had been in recent years under Obama. Some advocates of the "things are good now" view cite statistics and markers identical to what they were when they used them 2-3 years ago to say thingswere stagnant, hollow, smoke & mirrors, etc... under Obama.
To be frank, the economy was not then and is not now good. Some of the numbers may be good (or good-ish), like a strong pulse - but a pulse means only so much without context. This economy is not healthy - is not now and has not been for years (decades). Deficit spending will eventually crash and ruin us. Especially Bush43 doubled the national debt from nearly $5 trillion to nearly $10T, Obama went and doubled that again, and the "great businessman" hasn't put the brakes on that yet.
Not only has he not put the brakes on
By Stevil
Sat, 06/16/2018 - 10:45pm
He has bet the ranch on economic growth that is in the stratosphere and essentially unattainable with tax cuts. Yhen he doubled down with a bipartisan spending bill. And he wantscstill more for infrastructure.
Oh, and the wall...
I'm not even sure which
By Rob
Sun, 06/17/2018 - 3:08pm
I'm not even sure which infrastructure he'd actually spend on.
He's hostile to the Northeast Corridor bridge and tunnel work in NJ/NY. If that stuff fails - result is regional economic chaos which will translate to national economic impact.
Do you know why the economy is booming?
By Stevil
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:19pm
Because the government has their finger on the scale.
For most of the Obama administration they kept interest rates ridiculously low, and probably too low for too long. When all that leverage resets at higher rates - hold on to your hat if you're lucky and bend over and kiss your butt good-bye if you're not (if you're a homeowner in Boston, it's the primary reason our taxes haven't gone up much for the past 10 years - if rates keep moving higher - watch what this does to your property taxes).
The problem is that Trump then doubled down on that in one fell swoop with his ridiculous tax cuts (and then both sides of the aisle put in a side-bet with their spending plan). It's basically like you've been barely paying your bills and then someone gave you a giant adjustable rate mortgage and you took the money and went on a massive spending bender. At some point a) your rate will go up and you won't be able to afford it and b) you won't have any money left to pay for anything anyway.
This has the potential to make 2008 look like child's play.
to your point - we may still be spending the proceeds of that giant mortgage in 2020 - so maybe he will get re-elected - only to ultimately be known in the history books as the man that toppled the empire.
Unfortunately all this is way too complicated for the average person to digest - but if young people don't start voting to fix this - they will be in a very sorry state somewhere down the road.
Yup. Trump's "tax cut" was
By Kinopio
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 1:28pm
Yup. Trump's "tax cut" was nothing but a transfer of wealth from young middle class people to old rich people. The republican plan is nothing but greed and shortsightedness. But they don't care because they got theirs and they will be dead by the time their bill is due. I'll be paying for this tax cut for the wealthy, plus interest, for the rest of my life.
Perennial prediction
By Sock_Puppet
Sun, 06/17/2018 - 7:38am
Was it ten years ago yet you started making the prediction that Boston homeowners' taxes would soon grow up drastically and I laughed at you?
A stopped clock is right twice a day. Your prediction will inevitably come true, given a long enough time frame.
Myself, I'm also betting we have a cyclical downturn before too long. Of course, not betting really, because who can time these things?
I used to be worried that Trump's acceleration of deficit spending (like a party on the national credit card) would overheat the economy and the Fed would have to step in to tamp it down, thereby worsening the deficit. But now it looks like his protectionist tariffs may take care of that job.
I used to imagine that Infrastructure Week would finally come, and all that government borrowing would be spent on building things that actually are worth something and pay dividends of public usability, but then somebody told me the Tooth Fairy doesn't exist either and I got all sad.
Still, making a big pile and setting it on fire in a billionaire hookers-and-blow party would work too, no?
Because i didn't count on the govt stopping the clock
By Stevil
Sun, 06/17/2018 - 8:19pm
Per my post, there's a giant finger on the scale.
Commercial real estate is massively artificially inflated because the fed did things they've never done in history and that's the only tjing keeping residential taxes dowm. The side effect is deflation of residential taxes. If rates go to 5% versus the lows around 2% that we had, the process reverses unless the city changes the rules which they have done in the past. My math and economics were perfect.sans massive government intervention. I just underestimated the insanity of the bureaucrats.
We don't get out of this for free if history is a guide and interest rates are on the rise. Modest changes this December, noticeable changes next if nothing changes. After that, depends on that giant finger in DC, and I'm not talking the size of Trump's hands.
Church
By Bugs Bunny
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:25am
"But, I cannot be silent when our country’s immigration policy destroys families, traumatizes parents, and terrorizes children."
Why was the church silent when the children were being terrorized by Father Shanley, Geoghan, et al?
And you do realize, of course ...
By adamg
Thu, 06/14/2018 - 10:35am
That O'Malley was brought in to clean up the the horror that his predecessors allowed, right?
October 28, 2015 - Cardinal Seán P. O'Malley statement regarding release of Spotlight.
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