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Post Office Square shut by protesters. Photo by Danielle Fox.
What started as a protest in front of the State House for a living wage turned into a sit-in in Post Office Square than now has traffic throughout downtown jammed.
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Yup
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 10:17pm
Many of the side roads are so narrowed by constant construction that people already have to walk in the street because the single sidewalk left is too narrow, and the traffic is down to a single lane that has to compete with concurrent walk signals with a constant stream of pedestrians. One right turning vehicle corks it.
I can usually get my bike down and through fairly easily, but often have to squeeze around jammed up car traffic to do so.
I was on foot today and I didn't even notice anything different from typical traffic until I crossed Franklin and saw the police cars and heard the chanting.
The intersection is blocked
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 5:43am
The intersection is blocked at rush hour every day. The only difference today is its protesters instead of jay walkers who cross the street willy nilly while looking at their cell phones and always walk in the bike lane.
Jaywalkers take advantage of gridlock
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:33am
You obviously spend little time down there. Because the vehicles are blocking the crosswalks, pedestrians can't get through at the appointed time. Box blockers always believe they are more important than one hundred people trying to cross with the light.
Remember the video
By Will LaTulippe
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 10:52am
For Bitter Sweet Symphony? The singer walks over the hood of a car stopped in a crosswalk.
Yeah, because missing a
By Vicki
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 5:38pm
Yeah, because missing a Little League game is worse than not being able to feed your children, right?
Let us know when you come up with an effective method of protest that doesn't disrupt anyone's life, okay? I'd love to have that in my toolkit.
Write your legislator, visit
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 5:54pm
Write your legislator, visit their office hours, call them?
That's the best way to do it.
By mplo
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 12:44am
Donating some money is affective, as well.
Let me get this straight
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 1:47pm
You want people who are protesting because they don't make enough to live independently or afford the basics for themselves while working multiple jobs to donate money (to politicians? to advocacy groups??) instead?
You might want to think that one through a little.
Let me get THIS straight, SwirlyGrrl!
By mplo
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 10:58pm
There are different ways of protesting, and I don't think that sitting in the middle of the street, or in the middle of the MBTA train tracks or the street(s), especially during rush-hour, when things are already bad enough and making already-horrific problems even worse is one of them. You've got a problem with that? Too bad.
Plenty of people, including myself, find other ways of protesting besides blocking traffic (such as emailing and/or calling their Congresspeople, Senator(s), etc. or even donating tiny amounts of money doesn't mean that they're any less sympathetic or humanistic than YOU or any of your other friends. Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it, SwirlyBabe!!
Quick!
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 7:10am
Quick, tell us what your legislator's "office hours" are.
Oh you don't know? Well I'm sure you can google it. Don't be surprised if you find that they're during your work hours (if, in fact, there ARE any "office hours" or any other way for the public to meet with their representatives...there frequently aren't).
Or, maybe....
By boo_urns
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 1:05pm
You could do all of that and still participate in the protest. Hell, you could pen your letter or call your rep's office while you're there! This isn't an either/or scenario.
Comparisons
By SamWack
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 7:57pm
Thinking that you kid's Little League game is more important than somebody else's speech about preventing poverty is not the same thing as thinking it's more important than preventing poverty.
More jerks
By Kaz
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 8:09pm
Yeah, and why can't more white people get lunch at the counter and get back to work quicker. Those black people weren't thinking about all the lost work hours.
The Harm Done To Mississippi Little League Teams
By Oscar Worthy
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 9:21pm
during the Civil Rights Movement is incalculable. But nobody ever thought of them, did they? Or what about the Alabamans who might have had a job interview on the other side of the Edmund Pettus Bridge, but instead ended up having take a detour to get there?
Black people?
By Stevil
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 10:40pm
It's pretty small and blurry on my phone, but most of those protesters are looking pretty white to me.
Those who forget history...
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 7:11am
...or who never knew it in the first place, are named Stevil.
Yeah right
By Stevil
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 12:08pm
Because i never heard of those lunch counter protests. Pretty desperate tangent if that's what u r reading into this.
The most effective protests
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 8:25am
The most effective protests are the inconvenient kinds.
Screw that!!
By mplo
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 9:12pm
:)
Hey Now
By polarbare
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:07am
At least they weren't kneeling before a football game!
The traffic jam they caused
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 5:27pm
The traffic jam they caused and the people they delayed getting home to their children was a major turn off. Way to lose supporters, idiots.
Because downtown is usually a
By tofu
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 5:47pm
Because downtown is usually a traffic-free paradise this time of day, right?
Would love to know when the commenters last attended a protest.
By Mary Sweeney
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 6:03pm
Tell me commenters, when have you last gone out and marched as a protest? Were you there for the Women's March on January 21st, 2017? The March for Our Lives? The May Day marches? Exactly when have you last stood up for anything?
Ok
By Stevil
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 11:06pm
Will probably surprise you, but:
Women's march-check
Free speech/anti nazi march - check
Gun control march post Parkland - check
May day - huh?
Had hoped to go to the peace march but had a last minute change of plans - next year.
So you've disrupted and inconvenienced a crapton of people
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:19am
So you've disrupted and inconvenienced a crapton of people. But you don't want others to do the same. Well alrighty then.
So you get weekends off
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 1:49pm
One of the problems with the low-wage economy is that workers have completely lost control of their schedules.
One feature of that problem is that they cannot get weekend days off work to attend these events.
The January 21st March of 2017 was an organized march,
By mplo
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 11:09pm
where permits were issued, and a special route cordoned off for the march in question. There's an important difference between a march that's well organized like that one was, with permits issues and a special route cordoned off for the March (I attended the January 21st March of 2017, btw, so I know.), and the engaging in foolish Civil Disobedience and sitting anywhere they please, like in the train tracks or whatever, just to make their point. The latter way of marching is disgusting.
Oh
By BostonDog
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 6:36pm
There is absolutely nothing they can do to get you to care or support their cause and they knew that. The point of this protest is to make their message known. It's a lot more effective then a letter writing campaign as evidenced by this media coverage.
Message
By SamWack
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 8:06pm
They want their message known, but don't want it to persuade anybody? Perhaps I am confused about what a "message" is. Is it some kind of performance? An act of self-realization? If they can't increase support for their cause by doing this, why are they doing it? To get the attention of the gods? But even that would be a kind of raising support.
People have said that inconveniencing people at rush hour is a bad way of winning sympathy for a good cause, but I think there's a worse one; asserting that people who disagree with your tactics care about hungry children less than you do.
Really?
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:36am
It's easy to "care" (or say you do) in the abstract, but if you won't act no matter how much you are pandered to, should your views be what determines others' actions?
Ha ha ha!
By mplo
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 11:13pm
As if sitting/standing in the middle of the street(s) blocking traffic to make a point was the only way to do so! There are other ways that people can and do show that they care about a given issue or issues, whether you realize it or not.
I have a hunch you weren't
By Free MBTA buses
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 6:37pm
I have a hunch you weren't going to support them anyway but thanks for the concern(troll).
I wanted people to have shelter
By Will LaTulippe
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 7:24pm
Until a few of them who struggle to pay for it blocked a street, and now I want them to live under the expressway.*
Blocking a street is obnoxious, dopey, and self-serving, but I remain on board with their premise. Myself, I would have blocked the driveway of any citizen who has spoken at any city meeting against the building of additional housing. Somebody leaving work is not your specific enemy. You have specific enemies in this fight. Find them and fight them.
*Facetious and not what I believe
Funny, I didn't notice it.
By Ari O
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 10:50pm
(The Orange Line was fine around this time of day.)
First time this morning that!
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 5:48am
First time this morning that!
Because...
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 7:12am
Because until you were inconvenienced by this protest, you were a firm advocate and tireless supporter of raising the minimum wage. Right.
When working people have to
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 7:30pm
When working people have to pay daycare late pickup penalties because of this, will the protesters help pay?
Got any actual examples of this?
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 7:15am
I don't know a single working person who drives through the heart of downtown Boston at rush hour and assumes they'll get to their daycare or anywhere else on time. Perhaps you do. Care to give us a cite? Also, were you equally exercised about the daycare-penalty-paying parents of Boston the last time a presidential motorcade or some other kind of kerfluffle disrupted traffic?
Ok, so first the
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 11:07am
Ok, so first the counterargument is that Little League games are insignificant. But now that I point out a legitimate reason people take a financial hit when they get home late, the argument is that people who drive downtown are always hours late anyway so who cares about making it way worse?
No, the range of traffic delays is rather predictable. You leave enough extra time for rush hour, and it doesn't take hours. If something blocks every street for an extra hour, some people are going to be late.
What about people who take a bus -- a T express bus or regional? They also shouldn't expect to get anywhere ever, so they can't blame people who intentionally cause a major blockage?
I would be annoyed about a presidential motorcade. But those are usually announced in advance.
In other words
By anon
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 1:21pm
You work no where near this intersection.
You have no clue how rush hour plays out near this intersection.
You are making shit up all over the board because exercise of 1st amendment rights bothers your trumpish feelings of entitlement, even when it clearly did not involve you.
Nope, nope, and sitting in an
By anon
Wed, 06/13/2018 - 3:13pm
Nope, nope, and sitting in an intersection is not protected by the First Amendment.
I certainly don't support Trump, and have no idea why you think I do. I support being able to get places, which is an important part of being able to exercise YOUR First Amendment rights.
If you were trying to get to a peaceable assembly for the political cause of your choice, or your volunteer gig teaching job skills to working people or distributing food at a pantry or advocating for immigrants, and got stuck for an hour due to someone else's illegal protest, how would you feel?
If blocking this intersection really did nothing to traffic because it's always blocked anyway, why did the protesters choose this location? Since you're an expert on rush hour traffic flow, maybe you can help them find a location where blocking the road actually would make a difference to traffic.
Don't Want To Deal With The Unpredictability of Urban Life?
By Oscar Worthy
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 2:34pm
Get a job in the suburbs closer to your house = Problem solved.
God didn't command you to take a job downtown, and he certainly didn't command everyone else to clear a path of convenience for you to get to the downtown job you chose. So you should choose somewhere closer to home.
This way everyone wins. You won't have to deal with people who have different problems than you, or interact with people who might look or think different than you, and you won't have to sit on the Expressway for hours every week pumping hundreds of pounds of carbon monoxide into the air we breathe. And the people of the City can then go about their lives without you glomming the whole thing up.
Ok, well
By bosguy22
Wed, 06/13/2018 - 9:10am
God didn't command those working minimum wage jobs to take minimum wage jobs.
Lots of straw men here.
By anon
Wed, 06/13/2018 - 3:04pm
Lots of straw men here.
I didn't say *anything* about not wanting to interact with people due to their opinions or backgrounds. If that's what you think, you're entirely missing my point (or intentionally misdirecting the conversation).
I don't live in the suburbs. I don't commute by car.
No, God didn't command a path of convenience. But our representative government passed laws against blocking traffic.
Some people have plenty of choices about where to work, and can decide to commute to a suburb where a car is required. Most people struggling to make a living don't have that choice.
I'm for higher minimum wage
By anon
Mon, 06/11/2018 - 11:05pm
And I'm for BLM and most (if not all) of the causes of these protests.
And they've never inconvenienced me and I'd deal with it if they did.
That said, what's the end goal?
Strike the businesses I say. Or otherwise put pressure on the the people with the purse strings.
This strategy seems like it will just alienate people that might otherwise be on board.
Maybe I'm missing something?
Nope. You're not missing anything.
By mplo
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 12:42am
I never believed in Civil Disobedience. I have to admit that it's not worth risking arrest, jail, heavy fines, or possible physical assault, or worse, in order to get involved in any kind of cause, especially when it involves disrupting the lives of people who are going about their daily lives and business.
I feel alienated from people who do engage in Civil disobedience now.
You're missing something
By perruptor
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 6:45am
Starting with Reagan, there has been a war on organized labor. It has been very effective, To have a strike, workers have to organize. The war on labor makes that very hard to do. I know you'll cite some of the handful of times it happened in the last ten years, but strikes used to be much more frequent, and more effective.
Strikes vs this nonsense
By Lunchbox
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:28am
Strikes are designed to harm, economically, the company being struck.
Picketing by unions is meant to shame people from either (a) going to work at a struck workplace or (b) doing business with the struck workplace.
In short, strikes and picketing are targeted at a particular business. Unions are smart enough not to engage in indiscriminate acts of disobedience, which harm innocent people with no stake in the fight.
So...
By lbb
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 9:38am
...how did you feel about the Montgomery bus boycott?
That
By SamWack
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 12:26pm
is not a good counterexample. The Montgomery bus boycott was focused on the entity whose actions were being protested. Most of the people who rode busses in Montgomery were black, so the bus service couldn't survive without black riders.
FightFor15's objective
By Anonymous
Sat, 06/16/2018 - 8:11am
is a $15 minimum wage and a union. If they had a union, they could negotiate wages via collecting bargaining.
US law makes it hard for a union to go on strike. Public safety like police and firemen are prohibited from striking. Teachers with collective bargaining cannot strike either.
The states in which you saw statewide teacher strikes like WV and OK don't have collective bargaining which is why they could call a wildcat strike but they risked getting fired. They made a calculation beforehand, they knew they were the lowest paid teachers in the nation and they knew their state couldn't fill 800 open teaching positions because teachers could get a job in the next state which paid more. They figured they were not risking their jobs by going on strike.
Small govt has shrunken education spending. The recession in 2008 cut spending further. Teachers were working 2 or 3 jobs to make ends meet.
Actually, the war against organized labor began under Nixon.
By mplo
Fri, 06/15/2018 - 10:44pm
The decline of Unions and organized labor began in earnest in the late-1960's, when President Richard Nixon was elected into office and took power. It kept snowballing under President Carter, began to worsen under Reagan and the Bushes, continued to snowball under Carter, Bill Clinton and Obama, and is continuing to snowball and worsen under Donald J. Trump.
I have mixed feelings about
By cden4
Tue, 06/12/2018 - 11:35am
I have mixed feelings about protests like this. While I do support a living wage, I often wonder how useful blocking traffic actually is for building support for your cause. When protests block traffic like this, the subsequent discussion is rarely "oh what an interesting issue they have brought up" but "what a bunch of asshats blocking people from getting home."
What if protesters stood alongside busy streets at rush hour rather than blocking them entirely? They'd have a captive audience since traffic doesn't move very fast, and people would have time to read the signs and hear their chants. With this protest, everyone avoided the area because they blocked the road. Was the message actually heard?
I called and complained to City of Boston
By Michael Murray
Wed, 06/13/2018 - 9:45pm
I complained to Mayor's office about the Westboro Baptist Church protesters who ruined my day. They are complete jerks.
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