WBZ has the dashcam video from another motorist this morning at the rotary by the Arboretum where the Arborway and Centre Street come together.
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Signs would help
By KG
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 9:25am
Agreed, this rotary is rather terrifying to navigate by bike. Cars don't really pay attention to lanes and approach it at really high speeds, in some directions merging from 4 lanes into the rotary. After seeing another cyclist almost get taken out similar to this, I started riding on the sidewalks whenever I go through here. I also know of two pedestrians who were hit by cars exiting the rotary as they were crossing at the sidewalk. The speed limit here is I believe 25 but cars often take it at 40 or higher.
The rotary on the Hammond Pond Parkway has lanes painted on it with arrows indicating which one to be in for exiting. It would be really great to do the same at this one. If nothing else maybe it would slow traffic down as people would have to think about which lane to drive in rather than flying through only sort of in a lane.
Well maybe the driver was
By Boston617
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 2:12pm
Well maybe the driver was traveling in the inner lane in the first place because he did not want to be close to the bicyclist. Let's be honest bicyclist drive anywhere they want. They weave in and out of traffic, avoid red lights, blow through stops signs and more, I have even gotten hit by several bicyclist while crossing the street as a pedestrian. It is awful that she got hit but she should be more careful because she did not even look. She went from all the way from the right side into the middle without looking knowing that there was an exit for cars. No you don't signal on a rotary but you do look for other cars who fail to abide by the rules of the rotary. I always thought it was pretty funny how bicyclist have more rights than people who actually pay excise tax and insurance. As for the driver, for the simple fact of hitting a human and not stopping is automatically jail time. There should be no way around that.
Could the biker at least have
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 6:56am
Could the biker at least have made some effort to pay attention?
Over taken
By downtown-anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:52am
It is the responsibility of the vehicle coming from behind to yield to the vehicle in front if it is overtaking.
Could you at least make some
By Scratchie
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:54am
Could you at least make some effort to go fuck yourself?
Why is the video not disseminated by the MSP?^(1)
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 7:29am
The WBZ link requires one to watch 30 sec commercial for every replay. This is not conducive to identifying the offending car.
(1) I'm guessing enforcement on Arborway is not a priority for the MSP. That rotary and feeder streets are extremely dangerous for pedestrians using any of its crosswalks because cars always speed up before entering and exiting it without any regard for the state laws. As illustrated by this accident, they are equally dangerous to bicyclists.
What A Loosah
By John Costello
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 7:55am
The car didn't stop because anyone caught driving that type of car would die of embarrassment if they were identified.
That rotary is probably the worst in the city for everyone (outside of Bell Circle), especially with essentially three lanes entering from the north.
It would probably take a generation to get it done but a little more Arborway / Centre Street traffic calming is needed and a wee more sidewalk space on the residential side of the J-Way should be given over to bikes because pedestrian traffic besides near this intersection is so low and the roadway is so narrow.
Hope the bicyclist is ok, hope the driver is drawn and quartered.
One that's worse
By Gary C
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:08am
Horace James Circle, next to the Putterham Golf club in Brookline is worse, for bikes anyway. The sight lines coming in are very short, the lanes are narrow and there's a ton of traffic. As a car, when you see an opening, you gotta floor it. Just no safe place to enter and maneuver, as a biker. (I always take to the sidewalk and go around clockwise, crossing at the pedestrian crosswalks. It's not worth getting hit to save 30 seconds.)
Subaru Impreza
By frobot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:15am
It's one of the most popular cars in New England. Try again.
My Bad
By John Costello
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:55am
Looks like a crappy old Chevy Aveo or a Ford Aspire on my phone.
Here's hoping the guy who hit the woman on her bicycle is found
By mplo
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:06am
taken to court, tried for and charged with his crime; a hit-and-run incident. thank Heavens that the woman wasn't seriously injured, or killed.
Totally agree
By Scauma
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:42am
Question, do you know the penalties for a hit and run where the person (thankfully) wasn't killed? Just wondering how much time a person gets for that.
In Boston?
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:56am
Nothing. The police will submit a report citing the cyclist for failure to signal and riding outside of the bike lane. They will note that the car has passed a safety inspections and has all of the mirrors and safety equipment required by law.
Staties Purview
By John Costello
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:11am
I believe that this rotary is under the watchful eye of the State Police owing that it is a former MDC Parkway. Things may have changed. I am not sure though.
Perhaps our jodhpured friends in blue could get some good publicity, because they really, really need it and look into this a little harder.
No bike lane
By cw in boston
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:33am
at Murray Circle nor at Kelley Circle near Jamaica Pond, or on the Arborway between the two circles.
Bike Lane on Arborway
By Ben_Quahog
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:29am
When they resurfaced the Arborway a few years ago, they did paint a bike lane on the southbound side between the two rotaries. Soon after, however, they scratched out the paint (which you can still see), for reasons I cannot comprehend.
StreetView
for reasons I cannot
By DTP
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:06pm
Probably for the same reason the City removed the perfectly good bike lanes on Ruggles St a few years ago - no good one!
Repainted
By HenryAlan (not ...
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:18pm
Those lanes are back, I rode that stretch a few weeks ago. But there is a problem, in that the lane tapers away just before Centre St., which makes for a potential car/bike interaction on entering the rotary.
The bicycle
By cw in boston
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 7:14pm
stencils in the lanes were removed shortly after being painted--4 or 5 yeas ago perhaps.
It should be similar to refusing a brethalizer
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:03am
Instant license suspension, followed by license revocation upon conviction.
It's the same as if you're drunk
By Ari O
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:59pm
Leaving the scene penalties—which are rarely, if ever, actually applied—basically assume you were drinking and that's why you left the scene. (MGL 90 § 24 (a1/2) (1))
Mandatory minimum of six months. See also here. I'll be shocked if the driver sees the inside of a cell.
ACTUAL penalty
By Angry Dan
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 6:09pm
It's highly unlikely anyone will do any time even for a fatal hit-and-run. Drivers beat that regularly because the average jury's sympathy is with the motorist, not the cyclist or pedestrian.
District attorneys know this and usually won't even try to bring it to trial unless there are aggravating circumstances like OUI, video showing it was intentional, prior criminal record, etc. that might make the driver less sympathetic.
What the actual fuck? The
By tofu
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:21am
What the actual fuck? The person even swerves after the collision. No way they didn't know. Can we start throwing the book at people like this?
Glad the cyclist was not seriously injured.
The title of the article
By BIG Bird
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:16am
The title of the article should be changed, it should be bicyclist plows into car. The bike clearly hits the side of the car.
The bigger question is what is a bicyclist? They want the same rights as cars but until they stop going up one way streets the wrong way, riding down sidewalks and going through red lights most motorists will see them only as obstacles, just like this driver did at the rotary.
Wrong
By Gary C
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:37am
There are two lanes in a rotary. The outside lane has the right of way. The car moved from the inside to the outside lane and cut off and struck the biker. The biker did NOTHING wrong and the car is 100% at fault.
The whole point of the
By BIG Bird
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:03am
The whole point of the outside lane is for merging and exiting. The bike clearly was doing neither of the two. He had no right to be where he was at the time. If you don’t know what are you are doing on a bike, get off it and become a pedestrian and cross at the cross walk.
Try looking up the actual laws sometime
By fungwah
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:09pm
It's perfectly legal for any vehicle to move along the outside lane of a rotary. Vehicles on the inside should slow down to merge in behind traffic on the outside if they need to exit, or if they can't do that safely, they should go around the rotary and try again. Bicycles may always pass to the right of cars and it's never a defense for a car hitting a cyclist that the cyclist was on the right side of the road.
Yikes
By Matt
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:22pm
Yes, the car should've been in the outside lane when exiting. It exited from the inside lane, nearly killed a woman, and drove off. Yet you're defending the driver. If you don't think this was reckless driving, please get out of your car and become a pedestrian.
massrmv.com
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:51am
Great website. It even has a downloadable driving manual for you to read so that you can learn the rules of the road!
I highly recommend that you do so now, read it, and then throw your license in the insinkerator at the earliest opportunity. You need to get off the road before you kill somebody with your stupidity.
Turn in your license
By frobot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:08am
And stay off the streets, asshole.
Bicyclists Need Constant Vigilance
By Scooterdude
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:16am
RIding on the bike, I rely on a rear-view mirror constantly.
Bicyclists can easily be aware of what's coming, what's the traffic in front.
However, it's always what is behind someone on a bike that is often a more urgent worry.
Equip your bike with a rear-view mirror for sure. (Or helmet- mirror).
Perhaps, in this case, she had a mirror, but from the video she seemed oblivious to the approaching/speeding car. The bicyclist might have had right-of-way but it's moot point when dropped to the street.
Grateful that it didn't end worse than it did.
Cycling through a Rotary
By Turalura Lipschitz
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:04am
I've often thought about the most sensible way to ride through a rotary -- clearly one of the most challenging things for a cyclist. Taking the lane works ok if the roadway width is narrow enough to keep a car from passing you if you're in the dead center of the lane, but that's not the case in the JP rotary. In this JP rotary, if I'm not getting off at the 1st turn, I might try to get to the inside of the circle (with cars passing on my right) until it's time to move back to the outer part of the circle -- but I'd be real busy giving hand signals while doing so. (Also waiting to hear Ari's take on this.)
Cycling inside lane
By downtown-anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:58am
I don't normally cycle through rotaries, but the few times I went through the Concord Rotary (large and allows drivers to really pick up speed) I definitely took the inside lane until my exit. Going straight on the right side of right turning drivers just feels wrong.
I used to bike Kosciuszko
By Steve Brady
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 2:11pm
I used to bike Kosciuszko Circle twice a day (Boston's "worst" rotary but it's not that bad, clearly better than this one) and yes, that is the safest way to do it. And if you don't feel comfortable doing it that way, use the crosswalks.
I know a lot of people are considering this a clear-cut right-hook, but a right hook is generally when the cyclist is proceeding straight forward and a car overtakes them and makes a right turn. Riding the outside edge of a rotary and across the exits is just reckless.
But the driver clearly tapped their brakes and swerved, so it's academic. They were aware of the situation and were required to stop.
Can we talk about the other
By Steve Brady
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 2:24pm
Can we talk about the other car, the one the red car blows by at the end, which is taking what I believe to be an illegal left right at the end?
no
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 2:34pm
please delete your interweb
Drivers need to become accustomed to cyclists, not vice-versa
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 6:25pm
Riding towards the middle-outside is often the safest place to be, particularly in problematic rotaries or those just known to be clusterjams. If this happened to this cyclist being on the outside, do you really think motorists would let her out of the rotary safely if she were in the interior of the rotary?
I ride Boston rotaries and other, bigger, arguably more whackadoo dangerous ones elsewhere. Sometimes you just have to assert your place safely and if it slows down people in the outside lanes, too bad.
Multi-lane ones are tough
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 2:30pm
I have not been through this one, even when I lived in JP, so please don't try to apply my thoughts to it without carefully assessing whether it works for this one. I'd also like to note that having watched the video, I don't think there was much of anything the cyclist could have done to avoid the crash.
I have ridden through Sullivan and the one at 99 and 16 (Sweetser Circle on Google maps, who knew) a fair number of times, though not recently, and definitely not since they re-striped Sullivan. I've had good luck riding between the two lanes, where there is or would be a white line.
Doing so puts you out of the path of anybody entering the circle into the outside lane, which is helpful, because a bicycle disappears pretty readily in the visual clutter of a circle, especially if a driver isn't looking for bicycles specifically.
It also means you aren't occupying the inner lane, which is usually moving pretty briskly in both of those. Traffic has to pass through your path, but isn't following you along the path of your travel. This gives people clear space to pass in the inside lane People will argue whether drivers should do this, but it's moot; they do. I have not had any close calls with people exiting from the inner lane, and barring truly boneheaded behavior (as witnessed in the video), there's a pretty narrow window in which a car can pass through your path without giving the cyclist opportunity to avoid a crash by braking.
Note also, that being between the lanes means that if you do have to make an emergency stop, there is (at least in theory), nobody in a car directly behind you who needs to stop to keep from running you over.
It's worth pointing out, that at least in this area, most of the higher-speed multi-lane rotaries don't see much bicycle use. As a consequence, car drivers aren't used to seeing cyclists in them, or having the faintest idea how a cyclist would safely use the rotary. I keep my head on a swivel through them, and allow as much room for people to do unexpected things as I can in them.
Again, I don't think there's anything the cyclist in the video could have done to avoid this crash. The above is my experience in a different rotary, and shouldn't be construed to be applicable in any way to the rotary in which the crash happened.
As a further note, I also drive a car. I'm not going to engage in generalizations about all car drivers this, or all cyclists that. Some people in/on either of those do stupid things, and it's asinine to judge all of them by the actions of the few.
Some people *also* do things that appear to be stupid if you don't have experience operating a car or bicycle, but are in fact, not. Cyclists would be more proficient road users if they drove enough to understand how cars behave and why, and car drivers would be a lot safer around bicycles if they rode them enough to understand how cyclists behave and why.
Lastly, some of the cyclists here don't seem to like the reality that it doesn't matter whose fault the crash was when you're bleeding on the pavement. Please be safe out there, even if it means making allowances for cars doing stuff they shouldn't be doing.
TL;DR: Ride like you're invisible and everybody's trying to kill you. You'll be a lot safer that way.
The trouble is, however, that all it takes is a minority of
By mplo
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 2:23pm
people who do engage in stupid-assed acts on the road to give all bicyclists and/or automobile drivers a bad name.
As someone who's a cyclist as well as a driver, I've seen too many bicyclists, as well as drivers driving rather offensively; i. e. running red lights and STOP signs, weaving in and out of traffic, going the wrong way down one-way streets, failing to yield the right of way to people who are already in the rotary or rotaries, and going too fast for existing conditions.
That being said, many automobile drivers and bicyclists alike have a long history of engaging in rather bad behavior and using bad judgement on the road, which has helped get many bicyclists and drivers alike badly injured or killed..
Tell us about your commute
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 2:34pm
Like, what city do you work and live in.
I live and work in Somerville, from home,
By mplo
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 3:07pm
and I bicycle to appointments and to do errands when the weather's decent, which it hasn't been lately. Why do you want to know?
Everyone talking about hand
By tofu
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:16am
Everyone talking about hand signaling... yeah, in a rotary in MA you will be hand signaling so that the slow moving, cautious, courteous drivers behind you smile, slow down some more, and wave you through...
Or you will be white-knuckling the handlebar and brake levers for emergency maneuvers, spinning your head like an owl, while pedaling like crazy in an attempt to match the roller derby speeds of the cars flying through, as their drivers are fishing for their phones/lattes.
Or just go on the sidewalk.
Boston Rotary? I'm taking the sidewalk and crosswalks
By Rostonian
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:20am
I really hope the cyclist is OK, and that they catch this lunatic.
PSA - Navigating rotaries around here is dangerous when driving a car, trying to enter, navigate, and exit on a bike is a risk I would never take. This rotary in has well-marked crosswalks. Best to take the extra 30 seconds, dismount and opt for the safer route.
To each their own
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:59am
I find the crosswalks at rotaries to be more problematic than just being visibly in the roadway.
I prefer my rotaries to be jammed solid so I can just cruise through them without hazard.
Good luck having cars stop for you when you use sidewalks in
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:29am
Good luck having cars stop for you when you use sidewalks in this rotary.
fair point
By Rostonian
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:09pm
fair point - but better to be a few minutes late than hit by a car.
The Dash Cam Driver Gets Top Honors
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:03am
If you watch the video, the driver with the cam not only stops to help and hands over the video, they use their vehicle to physically shield the downed cyclist from getting a second hit.
I do this when I drive where a rotary has a crosswalk - use the car to cork the jerks who would just buzz around and kill people.
DCR actually has some
By cden4
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 2:52pm
DCR actually has some fantastic plans for making this whole corridor safer and easier to navigate for everyone: drivers, bicyclists, and walkers. However, it seems to have stalled. Please contact your elected officials and ask them to push this project forward so that crashes like these can be avoided in the future!
Here is the presentation from the most-recent public meeting (in 2015!)
https://www.mass.gov/files/documents/2016/10/uc/20...
Thanks for sharing these! I
By eherot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:25pm
Thanks for sharing these! I was wondering what had happened to that plan. It was so exciting when they first presented it and (I thought) the room seemed unusually supportive compared to other DCR proposals.
1) Driver ENTIRELY at fault. No questions, no debate.
By UHub-fan
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:20pm
2) There's also no way in hell I would ever try to cycle through that situation without turning my head to see if an oblivious driver was aware of me or not.
When I cycle, I am constantly monitoring the autos around me. It stuns me how few cyclists I see looking over their shoulders before proceeding through intersections.
Here's something a lot of cyclists don't seem to get: your right to the road DOES NOT KEEP YOU SAFE. Cycle defensively, even if it means you feel like the cars win. Because there's no scoreboard in your hospital bed.
Right of Way
By Blue Notes
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 4:07pm
According to Massachusetts law the vehicle already in the rotary has the right of way. Since it appears that the vehicle involved overtook the bicyclist from behind it's possible that the bicyclist had the legal right of way.
Possible?
By Ari O
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 4:28pm
The bicyclist definitely had right-of-way. Whether you apply that rotary law, or overtaking law, or failure to signal …
That rotary is horrible and
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:37pm
That rotary is horrible and an 8 lane highway (or parkway as they try to sell it) is unsuitable for a densley populated neighborhood. The city/state should remove the inner 4 lanes and return it to a park connector between jamaica pond and the arboretum so the people who live there can safely get around and all the people who visit the pond and arboretum can walk between them safely. And make the intersection a 4 way instead of the rotary, which are insane for areas with pedestrians. I know suburbanites passing through will whine, but Ive driven through there (as well as biked and walked) and that is not the choke point traffic wise.
It is a horrible rotary, and,
By mplo
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:54pm
I'm sorry that the woman on her bicycle was hit by an irresponsible driver, but that route is really not built for bicycle-riding at all, especially since it has those bottle-necked rotaries on it, which can be quite dangerous for both cars and bikes alike to negotiate, especially during rush-hours.
Not built for cycling?
By SwirlyGrrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:30pm
If you took a look at the era of original construction, I would wager that it was very much built for cycling, as the Good Roads Movement was a cycling organization!
Many of these connections between parks were not about cars at all! Not when they were originally designed. They were about carriages and bicycles.
More history about that, here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Roads_Movement
Carriages and bicycles were before the age of the automobile.
By mplo
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 2:09pm
In a number of places, including Somerville, there are protected bicycle lanes, so that bicyclists are thoroughly protected from cars. They should have protected bicycle lanes on routes that have bottlenecked rotaries. Also, since both cars and bicycles (Yes, a bicycle is also a vehicle.) are supposed to yield the right of way to those who are already in the rotary or rotaries, whether they be in cars or on bicycles, that rule should be strongly enforced.
Roundabouts
By BlackKat
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 9:44am
In England rotaries, or roundabouts as they are called there, are quite common and considered one of the safest and most efficient methods of intersecting roads. It's funny how differently they are perceived here, but perhaps that is because of our bad driving habits?
7 roundabouts in one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OGvj7GZSIo
Roundabouts <> rotaries
By HenryAlan (not ...
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 10:19am
The design is different. Roundabouts have more sharp entry and exit angles, forcing the drivers to slow down. The planned re-design involves replacing the rotary with two congruent roundabouts.
JP Rotary Accident
By Paul
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 4:39am
Looking at the Cam Video, the cyclist appears to hit the car. I travel that route all the time. Cyclists are always entering that rotary with no regard for traffic. I don't understand how the media blamed the driver. That cyclist didn't collide with that car, she "hit" that car!
Go fuck yourself, you
By MattyC
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 1:55pm
Go fuck yourself, you entitled, self-important piece of shit.
Right
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 2:10pm
Uh huh.
So why did the motorist take off and run away?
Hmmm ... what's your tag number, again?
Are you a troll? just curious
By cinnamngrl
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 4:12pm
So this rotary has two lanes of traffic and the car was veering across the outer lane and exiting. The bicycle was traveling in the outer lane past the exit targeted by the criminal driver. The bicycle did not change lanes and therefore had the right of way. Watching the video, you can see that the cyclelist was hit by the right rear side of the car from the side. To me it looks like a sideswipe, but even so the car is 100% wrong.
Watching the video a 2nd and 3rd time
By Cate
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 6:01pm
I'm retired now, however I traveled that road every day for 20yrs. It was always a challenge. I've watched the video a couple of times and there is no doubt that the car didn't stop. That said the individual on the bike never gave a hand signal to indicate their intention. Two wrongs never make a right.
Again, a person in a rotary,
By MattyC
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 6:57pm
Again, a person in a rotary, regardless of their mode of transportation, does not signal to stay in the rotary. To suggest otherwise is complete and utter bullshit.
Laws have changed since you learned to drive
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 7:19pm
When was the last time you read a driver's manual? You can download one from MassRMV.com
Anyone know what the make and
By Concerned citizen
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 6:08pm
Anyone know what the make and model could be on the red car?
2004-2007 Subaru Impreza
By frobot
Thu, 08/09/2018 - 10:23am
Tough to tell for sure from the video, but I think it's likely an '06 or '07. (There was a slight cosmetic redesign between '05 and '06.)
It also looks like it may
By Josev
Thu, 08/09/2018 - 12:04pm
It also looks like it may have had a damaged front bumper. From some angles it looks like it's hanging/broken away from the car.
Quite possible
By frobot
Thu, 08/09/2018 - 2:23pm
The bottom corner of the front bumper is what makes me suspect that it's an '06-'07. The '04-'05 bumper curves in more at the bottom than the '06-'07, at least on non-WRX/STi models. Lots of people swap bumpers though, so it's possible that it's damaged and/or a swap. Either way, it does seem to stick out more than it should.
EDIT: Just found clearer, longer video posted by MSP on facebook. There is definitely damage to the front bumper. Black steel wheels without hubcaps. Still unclear on year, but still leaning towards '06-'07.
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