WBZ has the dashcam video from another motorist this morning at the rotary by the Arboretum where the Arborway and Centre Street come together.
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Thankful
By mg
Mon, 08/06/2018 - 11:35pm
That the bicyclist wasn't seriously injured.
Dash Cam
By nona
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:46am
I think its great this was captured on video. My brother-in-law also had his accident captured by a witness with a dashcam a few weeks ago where a young driver ran a stop sign and hit his truck. I'm just wondering how prevalent dashcams are and if this is what they are intended for? I had an Uber driver who said he uses one in case of an accident but just wanted to know if many people use them?
Dunno about cars
By MostlyHarmless
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:48am
But I've had enough friends on bikes get hit-and-run recently that I'm investing in two for mine.
Theyve become more common
By J
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:10am
Theyve become more common thanks to Uber and Lyft
I recently acquired one, for
By DTP
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:59am
I recently acquired one, for the dual purpose of protecting myself in the event of an accident, and recording some of the stupidity I see on the roads every day.
I have a dashcam for my car,
By VolksDragon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:56pm
I have a dashcam for my car, and a GoPro for riding on my bike.
I put a dashcam in my car
By tofu
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 9:33am
I put a dashcam in my car after being rear-ended while stopping for a pedestrian. I have recorded quite a lot of stupidity with it, including one near-collision on the highway. I think that every single car should come standard with one. With that said, this camera (one of the most recommended at the time) has been buggy so I didn't get one for my wife's car when she got one. There are other, better options nowadays out there.
All if the above, Remember the meteor that fell in W Russia?
By section77
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 3:31pm
It was caught by multiple dash cams. Which brought the question why do they have so many dash cams there. Turns out they are needed to combat daily insurance fraud where people try to pretend they were injured by cars. Larceny is the Mother of Invention.
People drive like lunatics.
By thomas
Mon, 08/06/2018 - 11:41pm
People drive like lunatics. SLOW DOWN AND GET OFF YOUR PHONE.
No wiggle room
By Kaz
Mon, 08/06/2018 - 11:46pm
That car clearly accelerated to beat the bike to the exit, realized it wasn't going to make the right hook, then plowed through the bike and didn't stop. There's no "I never knew I hit them" there.
The fucked up thing is that it's a rotary. If you miss your exit, you can literally just go around again!
Typical driver behavior at that rotary
By FootPad
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:04am
Sad but common all along the park way roads. I've had enough close calls by bike coming out of that rotary onto the arbor way with aggressive fast cars that I've decided it's just better to roll up onto the sidewalks through there and stay away from the cars.
Rotaries and bikes
By merlinmurph
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:11am
Bottom line: Riding a bike in a rotary sucks. Even the most mundane rotaries are dicey.
Nah
By MostlyHarmless
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:41am
It's really perfectly fine and normal. Sorry.
Rotary
By HenryAlan (not ...
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:05pm
I am very reluctant to ride through that rotary, and will only use it to approach the next spoke. Otherwise, I pretend I'm a pedestrian or find an alternate route (of which there are many).
Murray Circle
By cw in boston
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:06am
is so wide, that people speed through it, making it dangerous for pedestrians (at crosswalks), cyclists, and drivers. Drivers often accelerate and cut through from the inner lane to exit.
I'm not convinced that the driver saw the cyclist initially, but they clearly knew when they hit her and then sped up, leaving the scene.
But that would add an extra
By Kinopio
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:11am
But that would add an extra 10 seconds to the drivers commute!!1!
This driver thinks 10 seconds of their day is more important than another persons life. They would rather kill someone than go around the rotary again. The scary part is this there are countless homicidal drivers like that on the road. That is what happens when you give a license to anyone who wants one and the state fails to take away licenses from people who have shown themselves to be maniacs behind the wheel.
Oh ffs
By frobot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:14am
Enough with the tired hyperbole. If you want to say something like this, prove it. Can't? Shut it. Yes, there are a lot bad drivers. Homicidal? Maybe this one, but in general, no.
Your broad brush schtick is getting old.
not broad enough
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:47am
Drivers kill pedestrians and cyclists all the time, and almost none are held responsible. Wake up and smell the money. Traffic laws were written for the benefit of auto manufacturers not public safety. Google it. It is not hyperbole. Cars and streets could be made in such a way that no one was ever killed but where is the money in that?
Wrong target
By frobot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:15am
According to your logic, it's the courts, road planners, and legislature who are homicidal, as they're responsible for our justice system, street design, and traffic laws. Drivers don't get to decide their own punishment, design their own roads, or write their own regulations. Bad driving is largely a symptom (with exceptions), not a root cause.
Claiming that all or most drivers are just out to kill pedestrians and cyclists is stupid, and it takes away from the legitimacy of your argument.
Drivers are the target.
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:03pm
Drivers are the target. Roads and cars won't change unless people are held responsible. There may be more driver's than voters but if all crashes that kill someone are treated as vehicular homicide then driver's will vote for change. And that's how it is in some countries, so it is possible.
Fine
By frobot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:21pm
I don't know why you're arguing with me. I'm all for bad drivers being held responsible for driving badly, whether it be speeding, running lights, or hitting people. I'm not arguing against that. All I'm saying is that labeling the majority of drivers as homicidal is false and counterproductive if you want to be taken seriously.
What world do you live on?
By merlinmurph
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:25pm
Seriously? There's a world out there that defies the laws of physics?
That statement is right up there with Alex Jones.
Look, I ride a bike regularly and would prefer not to get hit by a car. Cell phone users are my biggest fear. But there is no way I'm going to even begin to believe that statement of yours.
https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:40pm
https://www.vox.com/2015/1/15/7551873/jaywalking-h...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automobile_safety
Again, read your claim
By merlinmurph
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 11:55am
Here's what you said, with emphasis:
That's a nonsense claim that neither of your links dare to make.
lmgtfy
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 7:01pm
https://visionzeronetwork.org/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vision_Zero
Vision Zero is a strategy to eliminate all traffic fatalities and severe injuries, while increasing safe, healthy, equitable mobility for all. Its philosophy is that traffic deaths are not accidents but, instead, the products of design flaws in the traffic system. Fix the system, and while you may not prevent all crashes due to human error, you can prevent the fatal ones.
Traffic deaths are also the product of human error,
By mplo
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 7:56pm
although poorly designed and constructed traffic systems, roads and throughways can be and often enough are a contributing factor.
Stop Die Kindermoord
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:55pm
No, it isn't an acid goth band. It was a movement in the Netherlands 40 - 50 years ago that resulted in putting car travel in its place and holding drivers responsible for their behavior behind the wheel.
Countless
By Mot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:36am
They did say "countless", an indeterminate number. ;-)
I mean for what its worth
By spin_o_rama
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:03pm
Its the exact thing thats said about cyclists, we are all suicidal morons out trying to kill ourselves and everyone on the road. Yet somehow thats still a legitimate argument, maybe you think otherwise.
I do think otherwise.
By frobot
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:36pm
Clearly we're not all suicidal (I'm an occasional cyclist). That's another stupid generalization which, from what I've seen since I started to frequent UHub, is most often used as an excuse by people who would prefer to sit in their cars in traffic rather than ride a bicycle. I hope nobody considers that a legitimate argument.
Which is slow suicide
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 4:15pm
By riding bikes just about anywhere save Dehli, the exercise benefits seriously outstrip the risks.
I think the issue is less
By DTP
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:03pm
I think the issue is less that drivers are homicidal, and more that they're clueless. Homicidal implies that they got behind the wheel intending to go kill some cyclists, whereas in reality I think the problem is more that people don't think through the consequences of their actions.
This driver didn't sit there pondering "do I kill a cyclist or circle around again?". They probably just went, not thinking at all one way or the other about other road users. Never attribute to malice that which can be explained through ignorance.
I'll never understand excuses like that
By spin_o_rama
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:29pm
They are supposed to be licensed drivers, educated and tested that they understand the laws of the road and therefore, the consequences of their actions on others safety. Jesus Christ this is like burned into our teenage heads as we (the majority of drivers I assume) going through drivers ed, you are operating a heavy machine capable of very destructive consequences when not operated properly, we are testing you and licensing you to ensure that you don't do that.
You said it perfectly "not thinking at all one way or the other about other road users." Ok great, that results in someones injury or death because of your actions, you can jump through as many hoops as you want but at the end of the day, a deliberate and avoidable action was taken that caused that.
If you wanna stick with ignorance being a legitimate excuse, then we need to do something to get those ignorant drivers off the road.
Or we could do what some of our European counterparts do and have strict-liability laws that find the motorist automatically at fault for hitting vulnerable road users. Maybe that'll be enough to make people think about other road users? But no that'll never happen here because of the faux hysteria that opponents would conjure up.
Fuck it, lets just throw our hands up and say oh well, what can you do.
Yeah, they're supposed to be,
By DTP
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:23pm
Yeah, they're supposed to be, but they aren't.
There are a lot of things drivers are supposed to do that they don't.
I'm not making excuses for anyone. This asshole needs to see justice, and drivers on the whole need to be held more accountable for their actions. I was merely pointing out that we have to think of it in terms of ignorance rather than intentional malice. We can't just explain incidences like this away as "homicidal drivers!"
It sounds to me like you agree with me, but are looking for an excuse to argue. Find somebody else to argue with though, because you're preaching to the choir with me.
I think we agree mainly
By spin_o_rama
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 4:27pm
I just disagree about intent/malice, we're pretty much on the same page.
Yes, but
By BenHav
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 2:27am
"Homicidal" might be strong, but as a regular bike commuter, I'm frequently struck by the callousness of drivers toward cyclists.
Trying to beat a cyclist to a turn by cutting through a bike lane, rolling through stops so that the cyclist on the main road never quite knows that they've been seen, passing with inches of room in a shared lane --- this stuff is an every-minute reality in this city.
And clearly the op is not making an empirical point about what's in the hearts and minds of motorists here. Forget about bike-auto relations, our general car culture here is sick. Aggressiveness, entitled/individualistic behavior to the max, and texting, all coupled with an awe-inspiring lack of enforcement has sent our roads to hell in a hand basket.
Driver
By Bugs Bunny
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:01am
Looked like the driver was cut off by the biker.
Get some glasses
By Gary C
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:33am
.
Neither signaled.
By dd808
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 6:26am
Neither signaled.
wat?
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 6:37am
The bicyclist wasn't turning. Why would she signal?
You don't signal to stay on a
By MattyC
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 6:50am
You don't signal to stay on a rotary. Nor do you exit from an inner lane. Who taught you how to drive?
I *always* signal when bicycling through a rotary
By Ron Newman
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:01am
I point right, I point left, I point straight ahead, whatever it takes to make clear where I'm going.
Which is nice and all
By BostonDog
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:27am
But that's not the law, nor is it common or should be expected of cyclists by people driving.
Furthermore, striking anything with your car and driving away is illegal irrespective of signaling.
Not legally required, but prudent
By Ron Newman
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 8:54am
I agree with everything you said, but I find that signalling with my hands is the best way to safely navigate a rotary. (For me, most commonly the one at Powderhouse Circle in Somerville.)
I hear you but make your suggestion somewhere else.
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 9:31am
The cyclist acted lawfully. There is no evidence in that video that supports the concept that such a signal would have prevented the crash. The inner vehicle must track and yield to the outer vehicles. Taking your left hand off the handle bars while turning is challenging. You signal before the turn not during. you are not turning while following a rotary. unless you signal straight ahead, you could mislead other vehicles.
Regardless of the fact that you are wrong on the facts, I would also say that criticizing the victim at this time is inappropriate. Save your defensive cycling tips for your cycling class.
You are responding to something I didn't say
By Ron Newman
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:02am
I never said anywhere that the cyclist contributed to the crash, or that signalling would have prevented it.
Also, all discussion is appropriate here.
(My most frequent rotary on a bike is Powderhouse Circle in Somerville, which isn't quite as scary as this one because it's usually a bit slow and congested)
Implying that the victim could have prevented this is wrong
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:27am
This is an internet forum. You are not having a private conversation. Imagine if you and I were the first two people on the scene and we helped this person get up, and gave them first aid. Would you start giving your help tips then? Because if you did, you would be an asshole.
Cyclists and Pedestrians can't change this. While I understand where you are coming from, crash statistics don't back it up. Its a ritual that you practice and you believe. This won't change until driver's are actual held responsible for controlling the vehicle they operate.
Classic mansplaining, wrong on the facts and rude.
Actually you can change this
By Stevil
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 10:46am
Last night I was driving up the expressway when I noticed a car start to drift right. My hand moved for the horn and I prepared to swerve. Good thing - because s/he kept coming and could have run me off the road. I honked and I made a defensive maneuver swerving into the breakdown lane.
You should always be a defensive driver - including (especially?) when you are on a bike.
this isn't victim blaming (the guy in the car is 100% at fault and is a criminal for not stopping). However, it's possible that this could have been avoided if the cyclist looked over her shoulder while going through the rotary exit. Not her responsibility - but preventable by a defensive maneuver in a situation that could have easily killed her.
No blame - not her fault at all. But defensive action could have prevented what was almost a tragedy.
I see this all the time on my corner. I know there is a bike lane so always check for oncoming bikes before turning right. But a lot of people aren't familiar with the area and I'm surprised we don't have more right hooks on that corner as bikes pass turning cars on the right with no consideration for whether or not the car saw them. Not their fault perhaps, but if you don't want to die - I'd suggest watching for and yielding to the turning cars if you are to the right of traffic.
One problem
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:08am
As a cyclist, I do not see any possible defensive action that she could have taken.
I'm sure the cops will make one up for the sake of the poor widdle dwiver like they did for that murder trucker who murdered the doctor in the back bay - the one who should not have been driving that truck in that area without a placard and an escort - who overtook a cyclist and murdered her and drove off. Copscuses abounded!
She wasn't exiting!
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:18am
She wasn't exiting. She was driving on the right side of the right lane because it's insane for a bicyclist to do anything else in a rotary, but she wasn't exiting. She was going "straight" within the rotary.
You can't ride a bicycle safely while looking over your shoulder. You need to keep your eyes in the front 180 degrees to make sure that you don't ride into other things.
Had the motorist done that, there would have been no crash.
Exactly
By Stevil
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:18pm
She was going straight - BUT there are cars exiting from her left. If she had looked over her shoulder while going through the rotary exit (a common and safe practice for drivers and cyclists - my dad used to say "head on a swivel") she may have seen the car barreling toward her.
Again - not at all her fault - but drivers aren't perfect - sometimes they don't or can't see a cyclist - so you have to be on the lookout. Given the number of bike accidents reported out here where the car is making a right, any time you are on a bike and traffic is on the left with the possibility of a car cutting you off - you should be prepared to brake if they are slightly in front of you and expect them to cut in front of you if they are behind to your left.
Not your responsibility, but that's just being defensive and could very likely save your life.
Do an experiment
By anon
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:30pm
Take a bike through there and see how effective your theories are.
You will find that there is little or nothing that she could have done to stop the douchemurder express from taking her down. Nothing.
The driver was 100% at fault,
By cden4
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:48pm
The driver was 100% at fault, but there are things the bicyclist could have done to prevent/avoid this:
Signal left at each exit to show drivers they are continuing around the rotary.
Look left prior to crossing each exit to ensure that no cars are exiting from their left.
Further back, merge to the inside of the rotary so that drivers cannot pass on the left. Then merge right again prior to exiting.
None of these are easy. They all take a bit of skill. But they are all doable.
I mean thats great and all
By spin_o_rama
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:37pm
But it doesn't lend itself to how quickly these things can happen. And it doesn't lend itself to all the other things that we have our head on swivel for.
As I'm riding down Comm Ave (on the hilly incline) I'm watching for all of the following: potholes/debris in the lane, pedestrians that might be trying to cross, parked cars that might have a door swing open, yes even a car that may suddenly swerve and take a right in front of my path.
I think we agree though, the cyclist is not at fault but lets be real, theres nothing they could've done here to avoid this, at all. Zero. Drivers aren't perfect, so what can be done about vulnerable road users safety, whats a legitimate way to reduce crashes like this?
wrong
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 1:59pm
Being defensive is unlikely to save you from a car. Driving a automobile is a responsibility. However the USA treats driving as if it is a shared responsibility with pedestrians, cycles and even parked cars. Do you think they invented folding mirrors because of tiny garages?
I don't think that's totally correct, cinnamngrl.
By mplo
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 8:24pm
Driving an automobile or any other motor vehicle is a responsibility, and it's up to the driver to drive defensively and protect bicyclists and pedestrians. I believe, however, that it's up to bicyclists to obey the rules of the road, which, unfortunately, many of them don't, and pedestrians to observe the "DON'T WALK' signs when crossing the street. If they need to cross the street, they should press the button that provides the WALK sign on the pedestrian light. Nobody says drivers, especially in this instance don't bear responsibility, but it really is also up to the bicyclist, as well.
Eighty per cent of the time, regarding bicyclists' fatalities vs. cars, the cyclist has been at fault. Poorly designed and poorly constructed roads, bike lanes and traffic systems are a factor, too, but that doesn't mean that drivers, bicyclists and pedestrians shouldn't share the responsibility of driving, bicycling and crossing streets defensively. A certain amount of defensiveness on the road on the part of everybody would go a long, long way towards preventing crashes and fatalities.
80%? Put that stat back in
By cinnamngrl
Sat, 08/11/2018 - 12:03pm
80%? Put that stat back in dark place you pulled it out of.
http://www.pedbikeinfo.org/data/factsheet_crash.cfm
http://pubsindex.trb.org/view.aspx?id=469382
take your lies somewhere else.
OK
By ElizaLeila
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 3:24pm
Good thing I don't use that method for driving defensively. I actively look all around to ensure I'm not going to get hit by nor hit others.
Yes, this is an internet forum
By JonT
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 11:09am
@cinnamngrl, as you say, this is an internet forum. This is not in any way, shape, or form the same as being the first people on the scene trying to help the victim. I absolutely agree with you that lecturing the victim on her cycling style would be an asshole move. It would also be completely inappropriate, say, on her social media accounts, or those of her family, unless she *specifically* asked for such advice.
But this is a public forum, and we are all just kibbitzing here. As a cyclist myself, I want to know what I can do to prevent that from ever happening to me, or to others. One way is to hold motorists accountable for this action, and I'd really like to see the driver here serve jail time at the very least for leaving the scene of a crash, and most likely for culpability in that crash. Another way is to improve facilities to make such collisions less likely. And yes, another way is for us cyclists to ride defensively. Suggesting that cyclists ride defensively is no more victim blaming than suggesting that people lock their doors to prevent being robbed.
again kibbitzing wrong on the facts and pathetically rude.
By cinnamngrl
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:07pm
Find some evidence that your mansplainingwould reduce crashes or STFU.
More defensive behavior on the part of everybody would reduce
By mplo
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 8:26pm
crashes. What's there not to get?
False Equivalence
By SwirlyGrrl
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 9:09pm
The person driving the death weapon at excessive speed has far more murder potential and, therefore, far more responsibility.
As most cyclists are hit from
By cinnamngrl
Sun, 09/02/2018 - 2:09pm
As most cyclists are hit from behind, it seems the only thing they can do is quit cycling.
Whuutttt????
By Stevil
Tue, 09/04/2018 - 2:39pm
Purely anecdotal - but almost every accident I read about on Uhub involves a side or front impact, including this one. Haven't been reading about motorists literally "mowing down" cyclists. Not saying it doesn't happen - but based on Uhub articles - almost always a vehicle making a right turn (including this accident) and sideswiping or cutting off the cyclist from the front.
Porter Square
By anon
Tue, 09/04/2018 - 2:45pm
Cyclist murdered by a truck driver splitting lanes and not looking in front of him when he floored the accelerator.
One example actually proves my point
By Stevil
Sun, 09/09/2018 - 11:17am
Every incident except this seems to involve a turn. This is the exception (there was a nightbincident on comm ave also-but dark and possibly alcohol was involved).
The rule is these accidents happen when a cehicle is turning.
Prudence has no place here
By anon
Wed, 08/08/2018 - 3:08pm
A cyclist got hit by a car. This thread isn't about prudence, this thread isn't about analyzing the situation and working rationally to avoid it in the future, it's about organizing a mob to lynch the driver. Anything less sanguine will get your head snapped off as "victim-blaming."
So....
By mplo
Fri, 08/10/2018 - 8:29pm
You think this is okay?
You're wrong here. The driver needs to be found and arrested, but organizing a mob to lynch the driver and accusing people who point out some facts of victim-blaming is completely out of line...and unacceptable.
you are victim blaming
By cinnamngrl
Mon, 08/13/2018 - 9:12am
There is no evidence in this video that the cyclist made a wrong move. You seem to be complaining that she didn't assume that the driver would ignore her. You lie about statistics as well. Accept the fact that the only thing this cyclist could have done to prevent this is stay home.
In most cases you're correct
By RichM
Tue, 08/07/2018 - 12:26pm
You don't exit from the inner lane. However this rotary is a cluster $^&$# with roads going in three different directions and very poor signage to boot. The outer lane is supposed to continue down 203 toward Forest Hills, the inner lane goes to Center St. this is provided you got in the right lanes where the road splits near the Pond Street lights. Of course there isn't a single sign telling you this anywhere on the road. Glad the biker is OK!
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