City Council President Andrea Campbell (Dorchester) and other councilors say they're fed up with death and destruction on Boston streets caused by texting Massholes and other bad drivers, and want to look at new methods to stop them.
Among the possibilities raised by Campbell: Cameras mounted at key intersections and along major roadways that could catch people barrelling through red lights and going way too fast and then generate traffic tickets. Also, it might be time to look at creating a BPD unit dedicated to full-time traffic enforcement, possibly staffed by officers in different uniforms than the cops who now deal with traffic miscreants only on down time from fighting other crimes.
The council agreed yesterday to let Campbell schedule a hearing with Boston police and transportation officials to go over more aggressive potential steps to reduce traffic-related fatalities and crashes.
In recent years, the city has taken several steps to try to calm traffic, including reducing the speed limit on most roads from 30 to 25 m.p.h., but without enforcement, "it's useless," she said. Bostonians should not have to be "in fear of your life when you're crossing the street driving down the street, riding your bike down the street," she said.
She added that, in conversations with officers in her Dorchester district, "many officers feel a little bit frustrated," because they want to do more traffic enforcement but are often pulled away by more pressing crime issues.
Campbell acknowledged that traffic cameras might require action by the state legislature. And she promised "a robust conversation" on issues related to increasing surveillance of public spaces and the impact on lower-income drivers. But, she continued, "people are dying, so this is urgent."
Providence, RI, issued nearly 40,000 traffic tickets - and brought in $1.8 million in new revenue - in the first five months of this year after turning on cameras aimed at catching speeders. It also created a political firestorm and sparked a federal lawsuit by motorists who said the cameras violated a state law requiring signs warning drivers of nearby cameras.
Councilor Matt O'Malley (Jamaica Plain, West Roxbury), whose district sports several streets with traffic-slowing "speed tables," welcomed Campbell's proposals, but said experience in Houston and Dallas after they installed intersection cameras showed they created a new problem: Drivers hitting their brakes after spotting a camera were getting rear ended by less attentive drivers behind them.
O'Malley suggested the city look at "virtual speed bumps" - markings at intersections that at first glance look like something in the road a motorist would want to go more slowly over.
Officials in Cambridge recently rejected the idea of painting intersections to make motorist think they were about to slam into long concrete blocks, saying it might make some drivers swerve off the road. London is experimenting with less radical optical illusions to slow drivers.
Councilor Lydia Edwards (Charlestown, East Boston, North End), said any sort of increased police presence would help. She said conditions at Sullivan Square have gotten a bit better simply by having a detail cop there. And she said it might be time to consider asking developers of large new projects in the city to chip in to help with the traffic problems their developments are contributing to.
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They'll explain...
By ECG (nli)
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 1:42pm
They'll explain how it won't be handed over, but later they'll find out they were mistaken, or it will have been stolen, or the spokesperson was misinformed...You know the drill.
Fine
By Parkwayne
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 5:22pm
Let's put some laws on the books with real damages to be paid to people who's privacy is compromised by lax city managements of data then.
Oops, here's a check for $200k is better than oops, sorry but Marty Walsh's cousin and some ministers will form a commission to be sure this never happens again.
Too late, every car that
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 9:20pm
Too late, every car that passes my house gets video recorded and uploaded to the cloud. And many of my neighbors do the same. Don't worry about the government doing it when the private sector is already. Privacy is an illusion.
East Germany
By theszak
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:01pm
East Germany https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stasi
Why?
By lbb
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 10:58am
Why are you doing this?
Will
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:10am
They also PLEASE start ticketing cyclist around the financial distinct.
For what?
By tape
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 1:40pm
Please go away with this.
To name a few reasons:
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 7:46pm
To name a few reasons:
Running red lights
Running stop signs
Picking and choosing which set of rules they want to follow
Slowing down traffic.
Slowing down traffic?
By anon
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 9:48am
Guy who can't pluralize "cyclists" also can't see all the cars slowing down traffic.
Where in my post do you see
By anon
Sat, 01/12/2019 - 12:07pm
Where in my post do you see the word "cyclist" or "cyclists"?
Please show me...
By lbb
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 10:58am
Please show me on this doll where any of these behaviors harmed you.
It's simple. If you can't
By anon
Sat, 01/12/2019 - 12:07pm
It's simple. If you can't follow the rules of the road, then stay off the road.
Sense of proportion?
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 2:04pm
If they did that, then they would have to start writing zillions of jaywalking tickets every time one of you steps out with your nose in your phone when one of us has a green light.
You can't bitch about cyclists running red lights when most 'OMG I WAS ALMOST HIT!!!!!" incidents result from pedestrians ignoring don't walk lights.
Meaningless "Don't walk" lights
By Bob Leponge
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:19pm
Maybe there'd be a chance of people paying attention to "don't walk" lights if they actually meant something. Within 10 blocks of my house I can find at least a half dozen intersections where, for a long part of the cycle, the only cars that could possibly cross the crosswalk have red lights + "no turn on red" signs, but pedestrians have a "don't walk" light anyhow. Meaningless "don't walk" lights teach pedestrians to ignore "don't walk" lights.
This is true, and a big
By DTP
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 8:43am
This is true, and a big problem in Boston and surrounding communities (looking at you, Somerville!), but is it really that hard to look up at the signals and around at cars to see whether it is actually clear to cross or not? There are plenty of times where it is perfectly safe and doesn't impact anyone else, but there are also plenty of times when it is obnoxious and dangerous.
I for one have absolutely no problem with pedestrians ignoring don't walk signals, so long as they make an effort not to cross in front of traffic that has a green light.
Sure
By fungwah
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 2:19pm
They can start when those cyclists start actually injuring or killing people. Until then, I suggest they focus attention on dangerous motorists.
This would be wonderful
By Michael
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:15am
The one little intersection I have to navigate to/from work could be a gold mine for the city if someone were there citing red light runners and texters, based on my (untrained, civilian-eyed) observations walking to the train. Easy money.
What about
By geepee
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:19am
a lot of the issues I see are from cars double parked on major traffic streets. What if anything can we do about that?
ooh!
By tape
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 1:41pm
Can we get some double parking cameras?
More Cameras :::))))))
By TrophyWifeLinda
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:28am
More cameras are always a good idea, you never know when you are going to get just that perfect picture at just the perfect angle !
I think we should also have cameras in the City Councilor's office's, to insprire the youth of today to see how long hours and hard work are the keys to getting ahead! Who wouldn't tune in to a live feed of Ms. Garrison, Mr. O'Malley, Ms. Edwards, Mr. Murphy, or our next woman Mayor Wu negotiating those tough sunscreen contracts.
Plus, these tickets have been shown to target less well married folks, and who doesn't love a good regressive tax?
#timesup
#buyscratchies
#sportsbetting
Das Leben der Anderen
By theszak
Wed, 01/16/2019 - 11:19am
Das Leben der Anderen https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lives_of_Others
The devil is in the details
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:38am
More cops on their cellphones standing over manholes just what we need. I will give them credit for not letting one manhole getting stolen while they are on duty. Drive throughout the city an you will see Boston, MSP and Transit sitting in their cruisers while traffic backs up.
Dedicated BPD traffic squad needed
By O-FISH-L
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:39am
I'm not sure of the size of the BPD Gang Unit, Drug Unit or other specialty units but as I have written before, a dedicated traffic enforcement unit is needed, just as we need the Gang and Drug Units. Radio cars have little time between shagging both serious and ridiculous calls to set up radar or hide near a stop sign and take themselves "off the board" for radio calls. Even if an officer finds time for traffic, the officer in the next sector winds up covering two sectors and isn't happy, so officers just don't enforce violations unless something blatant happens in front of them.
With the massive city budget, I'm sure money can be found for a lieutenant, two sergeants and 10-20 patrolmen (some on days, some on evenings) that strictly do traffic enforcement in problem areas. The officers should be proven enforcers of "Chapter 90" (traffic laws) and encouraged to write fines, especially for repeat offenders. The driver's history is only a keystroke away with the on-board computers. I believe the city gets half the revenue on fines for moving violations, so it might pay for itself.
The State Police should also bring back the very effective 1970s-80s "55 Squad" (speeding) for state roads and parkways within the city. The MDC and RMV Police had a lot of traffic enforcement on Storrow, Jamaica Way, Morrissey Boulevard etc. but that went away after the merger with MSP in '92. Running one trooper on the desk and two or three on the road for a massive land area doesn't allow much time for consistent enforcement.
And also
By Parkwayne
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:51am
Let's make the traffic squad but also how about we just have our local PD patrol Jamaica Way, Morriseey, SW Corridor, etc...? Storrow is a different thing to me as it is very clearly separated from the main street grid of the city.
They can already do that for the most part...
By Pete Nice
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:49pm
Boston PD issues tickets on the VFW all the time.
I've thought the same
By eeka
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:11pm
I don't think we need to become like some of the suburbs where they rake in revenue from ticketing perfectly safe driving by ticketing people for a couple mph over the speed limit or not coming to an absolute complete stop at a stop sign.
But Boston pretty much does no traffic enforcement. Especially as a cyclist, I see absolutely ridiculous unsafe driving, often right in front of a cop, and I can't recall the last time I saw someone being pulled over (other than when they suddenly turn the lights on in gridlock and go after someone whose plate they've clearly run). They could make so much money ticketing stuff like wrong way on one-way streets, driving like a complete maniac in residential areas, driving without lights on, driving in bike lanes, etc. Parking too -- I've sent the city helmet cam footage of cars parked in bike lanes, or stills taken while walking, and suggested to them that had they had one of their people cycling my route, they could have issued 45 tickets in that two-mile stretch.
The state law actually allows them to issue parking tickets based on photos, but AFAIK Boston isn't doing this. I couldn't get them to do anything even when I sent them a photo of a van that destroyed a flex post and then left itself parked in the bike lane with the post mangled in its wheel! They responded and said the van wasn't there any more when they went by the next day. They're ignoring tons of revenue just sitting there and a huge safety problem, but they don't care.
Beware the planetary alignment
By Kaz
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 3:14pm
O-FISH-L and I agree on something.
A traffic division would be great. One cop 2-4 hours a day at rush hour going between Atlantic and Essex and Atlantic and Summer could probably yield enough "block the box" tickets to justify her entire salary.
Blocking the box (hurr hurr)
By eeka
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 4:08pm
I had a cop doing a utility detail on Mass Ave yell at me to move up and block the intersection when I was sitting at a green light not proceeding because there wasn't room. I actually rolled down my window and was like, if I did that I'd block the intersection. Cop was like "Block what are you talking about? You go on a green light, lady."
O-FISH-L and I agree on
By Rob
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 8:55pm
https://www.youtube.com/embed/4JAcx-X-1-k?start=15...
More Traffic Cops
By dparks
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:44am
I would LOVE to see more traffic cops on the streets. I lived in NY for 8 years, right by the Queensboro Bridge. Every morning during my commute (a walk to the subway) there were multiple traffic cops at major intersections to keep things moving. This made me feel safe as a pedestrian and it helped keep the intersections clear. I've wondered ever since moving here why Boston doesn't do that at any key choke points.
I've wondered ever since
By DTP
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 2:37pm
They do in a few places. I regularly see them at rush hour on Congress St in PO Square, and on 28 in front of the MoS.
Brookline too
By eeka
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 2:50pm
At Coolidge Corner and a few other spots, they routinely have a couple of cops manually handling traffic during rush hour so no one is blocking intersections. It's great. I had one day when I went through where the Fenway heads to Storrow, was stuck in the intersections near the fire department building for 30 minutes because people wouldn't stop blocking the intersection, then went through Coolidge Corner, same amount of heavy traffic, and made it right through because the cops were directing traffic.
Legal question
By Steve555B
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:52am
I thought a hurdle to traffic cameras was that "you don't ticket the car, you ticket the operator". Meaning that you need to prove who was operating the vehicle when it committed the infraction, and issue a ticket to that vehicle operator, not the registered owner of the vehicle. Has this changed?
No it has not.
By DTP
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 2:38pm
No it has not.
Implementing traffic cameras would require changes to state law, which is why it is always shot down every time it's proposed.
All of the above
By Roslindaler
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:16pm
As a Boston native, and someone who both regularly drives and walks and takes the T, I feel free license to say that we have the worst drivers in the world operating here in what is effectively a free fire zone. Opposition to these proposals typically amounts to a complaint that it would require everyone to actually obey the speed limit and other basic laws of driving courtesy. It’s time that people actually observe traffic laws as written or feel the bite of violating them. If you have to much road stress to do that, find a different mode of transportation.
Florida
By ElizaLeila
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 2:11pm
At the risk of going off topic, I suggest you check out Florida, and in particular, Miami.
- MA native, Somerville/Medford/Boston living for +/- 24 years also regular pedestrian, driver (car + moto), T-taker
Personally, I'd like to see more traffic enforcement before we have cameras. And even raised crossings at intersections. And no concurrent signals. I believe vehicles should be stopped in all directions when pedestrian signals are on for walking.
And Miami has red light
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 6:39pm
And Miami has red light cameras! Therefore cameras don't make for safe conditions for pedestrians.
(Technically, the City of Miami doesn't have cameras. They had them, but the city council recently decided they weren't doing much besides collecting money. But 16 other municipalities in the county still have them. And Miami wasn't a walker's paradise when the cameras existed.)
Bill Burr
By Kaz
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 1:34pm
As Bill Burr has joked, "I don't mind the fact that Boston drivers are bad...because they're aggressively bad. You know they're going to be out of your way quickly."
Super! It's abhorrent how
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:33pm
Super! It's abhorrent how dangerous it is to even try to cross the streets as a pedestrian here in Boston! Everything is geared toward making it easier and faster for cars and bikes to zip through our neighborhoods without paying attention to their fellow human beings who are walking. Slow down, STOP for pedestrians and wheelchair users who are crossing the streey, pay attention, stop texting and yapping on the phone and learn to SHARE the roads. If you are on wheels and you fail to heed the law then you should be fined till you learn to behave.
OOH! More World Class Grift!
By polarbare
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:35pm
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/watchdog/redlight/ct-red-light-camer...
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-rahm-emanuel-red-l...
https://www.krqe.com/news/red-light-camera-company-settles-class-action-...
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1&biw=1920&bih=944&ei=jIE...
Cameras, speed tables, more
By Kinopio
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:37pm
Cameras, speed tables, more police enforcement; do all of it! If these things were already in place a decade ago then they would have saved many lives by now. We have an epidemic of criminal drivers killing people and all those things are proven to reduce the death and destruction caused by lawless drivers.
All of the above
By Bobp
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 1:37pm
yes tables, and cameras but also can we have some enforcement.
Enforcement for pedestrians and cyclists as well.
walk the financial district and see cars blow red lights yes, but also pedestrians ignore no walk lights cross the middle of the street and some don't even look before stepping out. That goes for bicycles. Sit at tremont and boylston and count how many cyclist blow the light and how many pedestrians jaywalk. never in 25 years seen a cop there giving tickets or stopping anyone.
While you are counting
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 9:10pm
Count how many people drivers kill versus those killed by cyclists and pedestrians.
i have seen a cyclist
By Bobp
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 12:16pm
blow the red light and caused an accident between two cars as one swerved to avoid him.
This idea the cyclist don’t injure or kill people is wrong. It happened in Boston a few years back. Lets also remember that there are way more cars than bikes skewing the rate of deaths. I have seen a pedestrian get hit and seriously injured and a Bike courier killed at state and congress.
Everyone needs to obey the law and we need police presence to enforce the law.
Anecdata
By anon
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 12:21pm
I'm sure you did - because in your head you wanted that to be the cyclist's fault.
But, really now: statistics or shut up. Pretending that one odd thing happening MUST be a serious safety problem when we KNOW that drivers are a safety problem is utterly silly.
False equivalencies are fun
By spin_o_rama
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 12:35pm
There clearly is an epidemic of cars killing/injuring people and crashing into public and pricate property to exponentially highers levels of impact. Yeah sure everyone needs to obey the law but those laws are not enforced, our infrastructure is designed to move cars over the safety needs of vulnerable road users and there is a general lack of empathy for those of us that are at higher risk on the road because you saw a cyclist run a red once.
Pedestrians and bikes? Not so much, you had to go back years to find a single example of someone getting killed by a cyclist in Boston and you conveniently left out that fact that the cyclist was found not at fault there from what I recall. Hell it was such a minor blip on the radar I couldn't even find an article about it. Interestingly enough, my google search yielded this:
https://www.google.com/search?safe=active&rlz=1C1G...
Zero instances of bikes or peds plowing multiple people over, crashing into buildings and causing property damage. But no lets play the whataboutism card.
false
By Bobp
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 2:16pm
maybe because the force of getting hit by a bicycle does not translate to fatalities. that incident the Bike was traveling at a high rate of speed and the gentleman had pre existing conditions. Add in the sheer numbers and yes cars cause more damage.
Enforcement for all please....
Was the cyclist at fault? How fast were they going?
By spin_o_rama
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 2:36pm
Come on show your work, back it up with facts. What does the gentleman pre-existing condition have to do with it? Its almost like you are saying that it was a contributing factor to his death aside from getting hit with a bike.
Also yup, the force of a cyclist doesn't translate to a fatality, it'll translate to a tumble and maybe some scratches/cuts/bruising. Also you do understand that the rider is at risk too? Like I'm not riding around look to take a tumble, I'm gonna enact some self preservation but a car gets to barrel along in their little protected metal box with zero consequences.
Nah, enforcement for the population thats murdering people, bikes aren't the problem.
J-walking
By Abe
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:41pm
It's not just the drivers, it the jay walking pedestrians.
They should up the penalty from $1 to what ever it is for running a red light. and then enforce it!
This law should probably be refined though
By eeka
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 4:11pm
I don't think we need to ticket people who cross against a light when it is totally clear. Tickets are to change behavior that detracts from public safety. I'd be in favor of ticketing people who endanger themselves and others by just walking out against the bigredhand™ when there's traffic or in the middle of a block when there's a crosswalk within 300 feet or whatever the law is.
None will happen
By Red
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 12:45pm
Doubt anything will happen as proposed.
State law prohibits using technology to issue traffic citations. You must face/confront your accusers. Not sure the State Legislature has the stomach to change the law.
Police Unions will fight a new Traffic Enforcement Unit tooth and nail. Many extra traffic enforcement assignments are using fed dollars and detail pay/overtime pay. You think they will give up this money? Not without a helluva fight.
Please don't shoot the messenger.
Unions can't fight it.
By Pete Nice
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 7:03pm
If you budget the department with traffic units, it would be cops enforcing it (any other way you would also need to change the law, as Chapter 90 is pretty clear as to whom can enforce traffic laws)
This is a FANTASTIC idea.
By CopleyScott17
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 4:09pm
If this camera-based automatic ticketing thing actually happens, I will never bad mouth the City Council again (at least not the councillors who support it).
If Providence can make it work, there's no reason we can't!
Sarcasm, right?
By Kaz
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 8:36pm
Providence outsourced their cameras to a company that then started shorting lights and sending out errant tickets, etc.
Can we just spend this money
By TrainBrain
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 5:24pm
Can we just spend this money on making our transit system a decent one instead of turning into a surveillance city? Robust transit and trains that don't catch on fire weekly will fix a lot of these traffic issues when fewer people drive like the Massholes they are.
Interesting you should mention that
By adamg
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 5:43pm
First, I doubt the money it would take to install cameras would substantially improve the T.
But that having been said, one of the other things the council agreed to do yesterday (and which I just ran out of time to write up) is to hold a hearing on the nearly $86 million Boston pays the T directly for the privilege of having T service.
Michelle Wu, who is one of those rare elected officials who has first-hand knowledge of T conditions (she often commutes from Roslindale to City Hall via the T from Roslindale and, along with McCarthy has led the so far unsuccessful effort to lower fares on commuter rail from West Roxbury, Roslindale and Readville), wants to publicly consider whether the city's getting its money's worth - especially since the Baker reforms after 2015 eliminated the say Boston and other communities in the T system used to have on major decisions.
You say this like the T is
By anon
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 6:34pm
You say this like the T is some foreign entity abusing Boston.
But the T *is* Boston, since we're all the same people.
You need to look at how the T works
By adamg
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 6:38pm
The T is a large system that includes more than just Boston. The two are not equivalent - unlike, say, BPS or BPD, the T does not report to Marty Walsh.
Yes to red light cameras!
By GoddessOfCarbs
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 7:02pm
Put them at every light at Wellington Circle in Medford. The state will get millions of dollars on day one...
Les gilets jaunes.
By theszak
Thu, 01/10/2019 - 11:43pm
Yellow vests knock out 60% of all speed cameras in France
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472
French Yellow Jackets knock out 60% of speed cameras
By anon
Fri, 01/11/2019 - 12:52am
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46822472
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