John Christie reports on an auction of stuff collected by some guy in Quincy:
It was all disturbing, but lot no. 181 turned my stomach. Inside the glass case were a half dozen armbands, including two with the Star of David and one from the Nazi extermination camp, Auschwitz-Birkenau.
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stuff like this
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 1:31pm
should either be donated to a museum or destroyed.
OOOOooooo Please
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 1:37pm
Lots of people in the US have Nazi memorabilia. Most if not all taken by US services men WHO FOUGHT the Nazi during WWII.
My Grandfather has imperial Japan memorabilia because he was in the pacific.
Cut the shit with trying to be offended by everything, also stop trying to whitewash history.
Also im sure this guys attended many protests where people are flying the hammer and sickle.
I didn't realize Curt
By ZachAndTired
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 1:46pm
I didn't realize Curt Schilling was a poster here. I hope you don't make it into the hall of fame, man.
Schilling does deserve the
By Patriciax
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:44pm
Schilling does deserve the HOF, no?
Numbers-wise for sure. But he
By ZachAndTired
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 4:04pm
Numbers-wise for sure. But he's such an asshole that I'd love to see him never get in and bask in the schadenfreude.
Maybe we can vote him into
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 5:05pm
Maybe we can vote him into the "Scamming Rhode Island" Hall of Fame.
Numbers-wise, no.
By section77
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 5:48pm
216 wins doesn't get you into the HOF. The ditto-heads want you to consider him a big game pitcher and who's teams won 3 Worlds Series, and give that special consideration. I would rather point to the fact that he collects nazi memorabilia and loaded up on Kruggerands because he thought Obama was going to sabotage the world economy, and keep him out. Call it special consideration.
Schill's Baseball HoF worthiness is debatable.
By MC Slim JB
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 5:25pm
But the Crazy Bigoted Right-Wing Fuckwad HoF? He's a first-ballot lock. That blithering, hate-spewing dolt is a card-carrying QAnon member, so harebrained he believes in PizzaGate.
There might be dumber humans in the baseball Hall, but I'm struggling to think of one. Outside of the Hall, he's got plenty of company: Manny, Johnny Damon, and Len Dykstra all come to mind.
Objectionable Racists in the Hall
By Pete X
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:57am
Just off the top of my head: Steve Carlton and Ty Cobb. Probably plenty of more we don't know about.
I never thought I'd defend Schilling, but he deserves to be in there too. Maybe they can add a wing for the ignorant nut-jobs? Knowing the educational level of most baseball players, it'll probably fill up fast.
I'd vote no. Character
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 11:08pm
I'd vote no. Character matters. Plenty of conservative ballplayers who get plenty of respect, because they don't go out of their way to be assholes.
sure, plenty of
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 1:57pm
sure, plenty of servicemembers took a few items. when my grandfather died, he had an iron cross in a box in a closet. ended up giving it to a good friend of mine who's a WWII scholar.... an iron cross. singular.
a handful of items, recovered from the battlefield, sure.
if you read the article, this was dozens of items, all from a single collector, who wanted to "show both sides" in the words of the auctioneer himself. that's not somebody's war spoils, that's a fetishist.
my grandfather too
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:04pm
he had a big trunk full of stuff he grabbed while he was in Germany.
difference was, he never tried to make a profit off of it by selling it to other people who probably have questionable personal interests.
There's a bigger point here.
By MrZip
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:33pm
Not so much that this crap is "historic" and represents war trophies gathered by virtuous victors, but there's a growing legion of neo-nazis and assorted nitwits out there who worship this detritus of a failed 1000-year reich. Its continued existence and availability helps them keep that nightmare alive. All such stuff should be treated like ivory, illegal to possess/sell/trade unless it is to benefit the victims (allied vets, holocaust victims, etc.), better yet, let them decide what should be done with it, melt it down, burn, put in a museum, drop in the ocean, whatever they want, as long as it signals that the nazis lost and humanity won.
This
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:12pm
The people showing up to bid on this stuff aren't US service members who served in WWII.
Never forget
By Anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:36pm
Sure, soldiers brought home war loot. But this is something different -- decency, or the lack thereof.
Did it occur to you that the armbands were once worn by victims of genocide? Or how utterly distaste that profiting off of the victims of mass murder is?
BTW -- the 74th anniversary of the liberation of Auschwitz was this past Sunday.
Exactly.
By Roman
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:25pm
My old man's old man was in the Soviet army marching into Germany from the east. He helped himself to some of the fine German-made stuff he came across. None of it's got swastikas on it but it came from German factories. Should we throw it on the bonfire because orange man bad? I'd say no, on account of it would be tremendously disrespectful to the memory of people who died fighting that war and the memory of people who came home from that war.
I'm curious
By Parkwayne
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:29pm
Did you buy anything at the auction today or do you already have your full uniform?
Yeah, so
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:38pm
Yeah, so, not really comparable at all. I wonder what your old man's old man would think about Americans who collect and display Nazi memorabilia.
The same thing I think of idiots who fly Communist flags
By Roman
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:47pm
and insist that the Soviet Union and Venezuela failed because they weren't socialist enough.
Do you hear me calling for bans and arrests and bonfires?
I don't hear anyone calling
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:57pm
I don't hear anyone calling for bans or arrests or bonfires. Are you hearing voices in your head?
OTOH I'm encouraged that you agree that the people who collect and display such memorabilia are anti-American idiots.
Well that's an interesting development
By Roman
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 4:10pm
On this very thread, we have
https://universalhub.com/comment/711387#comment-71...
That sure seems like a call to ban, arrest, and throw it on the fire.
Let me say this just so there's no ambiguity: It should not be illegal to be an idiot. And I will come to the defense of any idiot for the very simple reason that once you're done with him, you're coming after me. And you know it.
At least you can admit
By Marco
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 5:26pm
that you're an idiot. Big strides today, but we're out of time so.....
You know what they say...
By Scratchie
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:36am
You know what they say...
First they came for the Nazis
And I said "Fuck those genocidal assholes"
Because I'm not a Nazi.
The End
I don't say this very often, but I hope you're right!
That's cute
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 12:14pm
The poem starts out with "first they came for the socialists."
By your reasoning, I suppose I could say: "fuck those equally genocidal thugs" because I am not a socialist.
Let's refrain from making actual threats against each other, OK comrade? For the children.
As others have mentioned before
By anon
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 1:12pm
That idiot will be happy to have you killed regardless of your kinship and affiliation because that idiot believes certain things about you are not changeable.
Which is why
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 7:09pm
I advocate for all people of good conscience to become proficient in the use of firearms, to keep one at home, and to carry if they are able. To keep the idiots from getting ideas. See how that works?
Do you guys
By erik g
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 7:57pm
want to tell him he's the subject, not the object, of that sentence? Or do I get to do the honors?
lol cool your 9mm handgun's
By anon
Fri, 02/01/2019 - 8:24am
lol cool your 9mm handgun's gonna be real useful against a sniper drone, ok roman
Do you really think people
By Boston-Guy
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 2:44pm
Do you really think people change an economic/political structure to socialism or communism and instantly fall down that slippery slope to genocide? I am sure you are more versed in history than I am, but isn't it more bad people in charge? as apposed to a economics/political structure that CAN down the road include (but not always) genocide?
I hope that made sense and I am more than happy to be wrong.
That did make sense
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 5:20pm
and my answer to you is that those economic structures create environments where it is more likely for "bad people" to bubble up into positions of power. Socialism is less efficient at ensuring a high standard of living than free-market capitalism is. Thus socialism will create scarcity. Scarcity will create fear. Unscrupulous people will ride that fear into power. Every single time.
Holding it privately
By CT
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:46pm
Holding on to war trophies out of respect for the sacrifices your old man's old man made is one thing. Trying to profit off them is another. And "both sides of the story" is an abdication of morality when one side committed objectively heinous atrocities. This auction and the attitudes of the people profiting from it and trying to excuse it are just sickening.
Anyone who has material like this that they don't want to keep in the family should donate it to the Holocaust Museum, which has the standing to decide what to hold and what to burn.
Didn't think you were dumb enough to show up in this thread
By spin_o_rama
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 4:29pm
But here you are carrying water for Brownshirt cosplayers and Nazi-memorabilia profiteers.
Yes I am. See above for why.
By Roman
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 7:14pm
.
Ah I see
By spin_o_rama
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:53am
Standing up for Nazi profiteers to own the libs?
besmirching the fine hobby of
By anon
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 8:24am
besmirching the fine hobby of cosplay, here. anime nerdos and drunken renn faire wenches, by and large, reject hate and bigotry.
My dad was in both Europe and
By Patriciax
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 4:56pm
My dad was in both Europe and the Pacific during WW2 (PT Boat). We played with the Japanese rifles and bayonets as kids. Some things he had sent home my mother burned. Dad saw combat for too many years and that may have affected his judgement on what was a good souvenir, LOL.
We've still got a few things from the war and I look upon them as historical and will keep them forever.
"Orange Man Bad"
By The Beer Guy
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 4:25am
is a clear sign that you spend *way* too much time on 4chan.
"Orange Man Bad"
By Pete X
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:15am
Sort of interesting how you bring up the "orange man" unprompted while discussing nazi memorabilia. It's almost like something brought him to your mind, unbidden. Something...Freudian.
Whoosh.
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 1:01pm
I'm mocking the tendency of leftists to blame anything and everything short of warm and fuzzy on the president. If Hillary had won, no one would bat an eye at this auction.
chief
By anon
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 2:26pm
you were the first to mention him.
you have a weird fixation/persecution complex.
just like your orange man. funny, that.
Expanding your news to
By Republican
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:12pm
Expanding your news to Glochester now? Sorry you are offended by nothing. It must be a full time job digging up stuff and pretending it offends you. Maybe the guy in Quincy was a Purple Heart recipient who took those from Nazi members he took down. No, it’s clearly racist Nazi stuff.
Okay
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:13pm
So he was a corpse robber. Lovely.
Since you're obviously too
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:18pm
Since you're obviously too stupid to figure this out on your own, let me help you out by pointing out that Adam didn't write the article that he linked to.
Nice attempt to spell "Gloucester", though, even with it written on the same page you're posting to. Next time, ask a grown-up for help.
Right
By anon
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:33pm
because people typing on their phones never maek a misteak
Maybe he should have asked a
By Scratchie
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:30am
Maybe he should have asked a grown-up for help with spellcheck.
Gloucester is on Route 128
By Waquiot
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 8:52pm
I believe it is in the orbit of the Hub.
"Nazi members"...
By lbb
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:17am
...did not wear armbands with a yellow star on them.
Not sure why this isn't OK
By Not signed in today
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 2:36pm
Just to be clear, Nazis and their beliefs are horrible and without merit. With that said, these are historical items from another time. If someone wants to own a piece of those very different times, why should that be a problem? If they hang a Nazi flag in their window, people will tell them they don't approve. If someone wants an old letter stamp with a swastika on it as a private, unusual keepsake, that's their business.
The Profiteering Is A Big Problem
By Oscar Worthy
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 4:07pm
It's safe to assume that the present owner of said 'historical items' is selling them for more than he acquired them for, therefore making a profit of some measure from trading in these items. Direct financial profit from the artifacts of such monumental human suffering, is very unseemly. Especially given the scope of the horrors in question, and the fact there are still survivors and their direct descendants alive today to potentially come to know of someone selling their suffering like baseball cards.
um
By Luke Warm
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:30pm
the authors are brave and understandably upset. that was just a little bit like a horror movie but worse because not a movie.
not sure what the floating signifier "both sides" has come to mean exactly (I mean EXACTLY), but what partial meaning I can get from it feels benighted, and perverted.
"get out of here now"......CREEPY AF!
“Have you considered,” I said
By Refugee
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:48pm
“Have you considered,” I said, “the morality of making money from selling Nazi memorabilia?"
When journalists get all indignant and righteous on other people over their business like that, it gives Nazis a good name.
Ah yes
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 3:58pm
Journalists asking questions. That certainly does seem like something that would make the Nazis look good by comparison. Especially if you were inclined to like them anyway.
Have you considered the morality
By Roman
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 4:14pm
of outlawing speech because you don't agree with it?
of inciting mobs to attack people for their private thoughts?
of riling up others' passions for no reason other than your own feelings of fear and discomfort?
Journalists these days "ask questions" in much the same way that dogs "look at" fire hydrants.
Have you considered the morality
By Scratchie
Wed, 01/30/2019 - 5:04pm
of genocide?
Of profiting off of genocide?
Go back far enough, everyone profits from barbarism
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 12:56am
I lose no sleep over what the Israelites did to their enemies, what the Romans did to the Carthaginians, the Gauls, the Celts, what the Soviets did to the Germans, what the Japanese did to the Chinese and to Americans, or what America did to the Japanese.
You know why?
It's past.
Draw your lessons as you must from the past, enjoy what little good may have come about as a consequence, and don't pretend that losing sleep today will undo the horrors of yesterday.
Cool Story
By Robert
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 8:39am
Thanks for the lesson chief, here's one for you:
go fuck yourself.
Another Intelligent Response
By sunshine
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 11:04am
Is that all you have? Have a lovely day. That's all.
maybe?
By Robert
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 3:03pm
did i offend your delicate sensibilities?
you are talking about a dude who thinks the greatest threat to freedom is people on the internet disagreeing with him. let that sink in. and you want to come for me?
you cant reason with submoronic shit like that.
good day friend.
Can I guess?
By Scratchie
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:56am
Is it because you're a horrible person with no morality besides narrow self-interest? What do I win?
You're giving him too much credit
By Pete X
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:23am
It's because, as Roman continues to demonstrate, he's a fascist shill. He downplays or excuses nazi behavior at every opportunity.
Name one time.
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 7:12pm
Just one.
Except the catch is it has to an example of me excusing actual Nazi behavior, not just your example of Orange Man Bad.
Have you considered the idiocy
By lbb
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:19am
of strawman arguments in which you accuse people of wishing to outlaw speech and incite mobs?
You are an idiot and a lunatic. Get professional help.
I have considered it.
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:24am
My considered opinion is that the internet outrage machine is the greatest threat to our freedom in generations. If people can lose their livelihoods because someone somewhere out there, who's never met them is offended...then that's a problem.
hahaha greatest threat
By Robert
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:29am
your attempts at being a martyr are only made more humorous by your repeated failures.
maybe someday you will get something right.
until then find time to go fuck yourself.
Really?
By Scratchie
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:33am
I'm more worried about the worldwide creeping fascism, myself, but you do you.
One is a subset of the other
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 5:23pm
or do you think it doesn't count if the book burning happens quietly with deplatformings and uninvitations to speakers on college campuses?
If you're threatened by loud opinions...
By lbb
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 10:37am
If you're threatened by loud opinions, perhaps you should just close your little window, then.
Of course, it's becoming more and more clear that you have a distorted view of what "our freedoms" are.
I'll tell you what I'm threatened by
By Roman
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 7:13pm
Whackjobs who think bike locks count as opinions.
good lord
By Robert
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:22pm
don quixote tilting at windmills again
there is no debating with this shitheel, you end up on a merry-go-round of his making -bad faith, strawmen, and disingenuous arguments to get nowhere all so he can keep doing whatever it is that he is doing spouting his shit thinking hes the smartest dude in the fucking room.
all you need with that is go fuck yourself. no reason for anything more.
in fact if he just used some of his time to fuck himself even a little bit, he might be less of an asshole. but that aint happening.
That's odd
By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 01/31/2019 - 9:26pm
I didn't know that strawmen carried bike locks or used bikes.
Such a strange phobia that it leads you to project it into a discussion that has little to do with bikes (other than, perhaps, the fact that Nazis hated them and tried to take them all away when they occupied the Netherlands, but that's almost as much of a stretch as your bringing up bike locks)
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