A proposal by Councilor Michelle Wu (at large) to start charging non-poor residents with parking permits got a rough reception at a City Council meeting today.
While Councilors Kim Janey (Roxbury) and Lydia Edwards (East Boston, Charlestown, Northh End) praised her her for starting a conversation on a tough issue - what to do about rising numbers of cars in a city with a finite number of on-street parking spaces that increasingly forces people to spend up an hour circling blocks looking for a parking space - other councilors thundered the proposal would help drive the middle class out of the city.
Those councilors said they want proof the city is actually doing something about suburbanites driving into Boston and taking up valuable parking spaces without fear of getting ticketed and about the herds of Uber and Lyft vehicles circling the city with their suburban riders.
City Councilor Michael Flaherty (at large) - who admitted his family has five cars - said the MBTA could solve the whole problem by eliminating what he said were tons of superfluous bus stops and letting the city turn them into parking spaces. "It's 2019 and we don't need a bus stop on every corner, and they don't need to be a football field in length," he said. "They don't."
That alone would free up "hundreds and hundreds" of parking spaces in every single neighborhood, he said.
Flaherty predicted that if Wu's proposal passed, all that would happen would be an increase in fraudulent handicap permits as people flock to their doctors to get the paperwork they need for them. He said Wu's proposal would especially hurt people who live in the city's densest and fastest growing areas in East Boston, Charlestown, the South End and South Boston.
"This hurts middle class families," City Councilor Tim McCarthy (Hyde Park, Roslindale, Mattapan) said, after acknowledging his district actually has very few streets designated as resident only.
McCarthy - already upset he pays $97 a year in Boston excise tax on his 2001 car, rather than the $8 he says he would pay if he moved a few blocks to Dedham - says "I'd like to rip open the Band-aid on Uber and Lyft and make them pay." Adding a ride-share surcharge during business hours would raise more than enough money to solve a host of Boston transportation issues, he said.
"I care about the citizens of Boston; I don't care about the citizens of Dedham, Westwood and Canton," he said.
Such an effort to tax ride-share riders might require action by the state legislature and Gov. Baker; in 2016, Baker signed a law limiting ride-share regulation to the state.
Councilor Annissa Essaibi-George (at large) also pointed to the out-of-town nature of many ride-share drivers and passengers and surburbanites who drive into town "abusing and using our streets without giving any resources." She added, "We need to make sure w'ere enforcing rules we have on our books right now. before we start to punish those who have cars."
Wu's proposal would exempt low-income residents and home-healthcare and certain school workers from a proposed $25 annual fee. Still, City Council President Andrea Campbell (Dorchester, Mattapan) said she would be particularly concerned about the impact on the low-income residents of her district. Already, she said, people who live near the Ashmont T stop are having problems finding parking spaces as growing numbers of suburbanites drive in and park on their streets - and she said people across her district have told her they are thinking of moving because of the high rates they pay on insurance.
Wu said that all of Mattapan currently has just nine cars with resident permits; that her proposal would only affect people living in areas that have resident-parking prohibitions. She said roughly 40% of the cars registered in Boston are now in neighborhoods with such programs.
City Councilor Althea Garrison (at large), who said she wants to see police enforce existing resident-only spaces first, predicted the proposed $25 fee would soon rocket up to $100 or $250 in just a few years. And she took a dig at Wu, who has also called for eliminating fares on the T: "We cannot have it both ways; we cannot say you should not pay to ride the T and then turn around and charge for parking permits."
The council took no formal action on her proposal; instead, it now goes to a committee for a public hearing.
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Good Lord.
By Mr Smith
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:21pm
Can we really take the opinions of an elected official seriously if he doesn't know the excise tax is the same statewide rate in every city or town? Good Lord....
Showing his hand too
By Parkwayne
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 4:22pm
So Timmy might be moving out to Dedham then to get out of Boston and our oppressive gov't.
So if we annex Boston to Dedham..
By Friartuck
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 4:39pm
We get cheaper insurance and a city council without 5-car Flaherty? Ok, let's do it!
Or...
By Stevil
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 9:13pm
Boston could divest itsef of his district and kill two birds with one stone
Lots of good people in
By RozzieGuy
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 12:40pm
Lots of good people in Roslindale, don't throw us out with the bath water!
I ... uh... don't know what to say ....
By ScottR
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:42pm
"City Councilor Michael Flaherty (at large) - who admitted his family has five cars - said the MBTA could solve the whole problem by eliminating what he said were tons of superfluous bus stops and letting the city turn them into parking spaces."
MBTA blame game
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:52pm
When in doubt blame the MBTA! How about allowing school buses which tie up traffic in the afternoon be allowed to use MBTA stations and bus stops to drop of and pick up kids.
Yes, Mr five-cars-Flaherty,
By dvg
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:36pm
Yes, Mr five-cars-Flaherty, when in doubt, blame the suburbanites and the MBTA.
Councillor Flaherty remarks
By VoiceOfReason
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 1:19pm
Where did Councillor Flaherty blame suburbanites?
That was more McCarthy's thing, but ...
By adamg
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 4:29pm
If you watch the video, you'll see Flaherty accusing suburbanites of running medical frauds with their doctors so they can get HP placards and park in downtown Boston for free all day.
Just think of all that valuable parking space
By fungwah
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:57pm
We could fit so many more cars in if we just eliminated all the superfluous sidewalks around. And think of how quickly you could drive around in those tunnels under the city if we just got rid of the superfluous train tracks! I might finally have somewhere to put my other 4 cars during street cleaning.
"I care about the citizens of
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:45pm
Cheers to that.
I sort of agree that this is
By thomas
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:47pm
I sort of agree that this is ultimately a tax on the middle class and I strongly support raising fees on ride share.
Somerville has some of the worst traffic I’ve ever seen, even before the current construction projects , and residents pay for permits. I’m confused how making residents pay for permits in Boston will realistically help traffic. 25$ for a permit is nothing ! How does that convince people to stop driving ??
In theory at least (although
By eherot
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:51pm
In theory at least (although probably not with a price as low as $25) it helps traffic by encouraging people to hold fewer permits, which in turn encourages them to park fewer cars on the street, which frees up street parking spaces, which reduces "cruising." It may also encourage some people not to own a car, which reduces driving.
Again, though, all of these things probably only happen if the dollar amount is a meaningful one. $25 is probably just enough to cover the cost of administering the program.
The program has been using up
By SteveE
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 9:55pm
The program has been using up taxpayer money since it began 30+ years ago. It's not a "new program". I think of it more as finally charging something to make up for the hundreds of thousands of dollars the city spends staffing resident parking windows, printing stickers, and hiring enforcement officers to check far flung residential streets for permits. What if that time was spent ticketing for safety-related parking issues like blocked crosswalks and hydrants?
Resident parking isn't a public good like roads/transit, police, fire, schools, etc. It's a perk for the people who decide that they want/need a car. The rest of us shouldn't have their decision become everyone's burden.
Totally agree with SteveE.
By ToonieDave
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 1:52pm
Totally agree with SteveE. This program costs the city money to administer. People who don't own cars are paying for this through their taxes but so are people who own cars in neighborhoods like Mattapan that don't have resident parking permits. Why should they have to subsidize free resident parking on Beacon Hill?
It also makes no sense not to tie the number of permits to the number of spots, probably not on a one-to-one basis, but if we have 3 times as many permits in a neighborhood as there are spots you are guaranteeing a certain level of block-circling traffic.
Finally, for the outlier households with 5+ cars, of course they should have to pay more. If these households had to pay to garage all of those cars there is no way they would own that many. By giving away permits we're enabling and even incentivizing this kind of selfish behavior.
Maybe it's time to think
By SharleneM
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:57pm
Maybe it's time to think about limiting the number of cars that can be registered to a single address, or increasing fees for additional cars registered. If Boston expects to continue attracting and keeping residents and employers the Council *must* start thinking creatively.
I do recall reading that Wu's
By Chris Jones
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:22pm
I do recall reading that Wu's proposal was $25 for first car at a residence, $50 for second (and I don't know if it would continue to go up).
...which discriminates
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:52pm
...which discriminates against adults / roommates in a shared living arrangement, which arguably is better than having single people living in big apartments by themselves.
A sticker fee is definitely the cleanest approach to managing supply : demand. But, no reason for the fee to be the same $25 in Beacon Hill as in West Roxbury.
we discriminate against adults/roomates
By cinnamngrl
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 5:39pm
Because they push families into into shelters. Also they are terrible neighbors. A single person that can afford a big apartment (like me actually) can afford to park their car. This is exactly how the government subsidizes car ownership. Nobody really needs a car in Boston. No matter how bad you think the MBTA is, it is so much better than people living way out in the country. If you can share a bathroom, you can share a car (or pay the extra expense). I do believe we need more single person housing in the city that is affordable without subsidies.
Affordable single person
By anon
Fri, 04/26/2019 - 10:26am
Affordable single person housing would be nice. But in the meantime, it exists mostly in the form of roommate situations. Restricting or punishing these arrangements would only take away that opportunity.
Paying your fare share is not
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 04/26/2019 - 12:03pm
Paying your fare share is not a punishment. If you can't afford to store your car, you can't afford a car. It is not everyone's responsibility to maintain the illusion that every adult is entitled to a car.
At minimum, the city should
By Mr Smith
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 4:51pm
At minimum, the city should not be giving out more stickers than there are available parking spots in specific neighborhoods. Not so much an issue in say Hyde Park with plentiful on-street parking and much less density than downtown. But in Beacon Hill, for example, there are way more stickers than actual spots because they cost nothing and the city doesn't limit them. One critique of Wu's approach here is that she should focus more on that aspect - cap the number of permits so that people who do have them actually stand a chance to find a spot, which they don't now. Enlist the drivers in this crusade and it'll stand a political chance.
I'm working on a proposal to
By aaron.s.weber@g...
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 6:44pm
I'm working on a proposal to slowly decrease the number of available permits until it's roughly equal to the number of spaces (probably somewhat greater-- you might have an offstreet space but sometimes need to park on the street, like if you have a guest in town...) --- you'd need to phase it in over several years so people can get used to it, decide whether or not to keep their cars, etc etc. But it's got to be a meaningful cost.
Somerville charges $40 per sticker and we still have about sixty thousand permits in the city. Nobody actually knows how many available spaces there are.
In the North End there are about 2 stickers for every space; in Beacon Hill there are about 4 stickers per space. At the very least, that price should increase and the number of stickers issued should decrease. It would make having a sticker worth the money if you knew you could find a spot for it.
So who gets/keeps a sticker
By Mark
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 7:43pm
So who gets/keeps a sticker under this scenario?
Presumably, with the word
By anon
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 1:16pm
Presumably, with the word "phased" being used here, as people move away, new stickers are not issued for whoever moves in to those locations.
I wonder how quickly that
By deepfreeze
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 8:41am
I wonder how quickly that would play out to become something like the liquor license scenario. I mean,some people already pay hundreds of thousands just to rent a parking space in some parts of town, let alone do it officially through the city.
Part of Wu's proposal is that
By cden4
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 10:10am
Part of Wu's proposal is that parking permits would NOT be able to be resold. (They are not today either.) They must be tied to a particular household and/or car. I strongly support that.
Edwards brought that up
By adamg
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 9:39am
Which, alas, I didn't include in my story, but she pointed to East Boston, which currently has a parking task force looking at the overall issue.
Wu's proposal does include a requirement the city conduct a detailed parking census that could be used for fine-tuning parking issues in each neighborhood, but even there, you might want to get even more fine grained: The parking issues in Roslindale Square are a lot different than they are in my middle-o-nowhere street where nobody ever wants to park unless they live here or are visiting somebody who does (on those odd occasions when one of the neighbors has a big party and we go out shopping and come back and the space I normally use in front of our house is taken, well, I might have to find a parking space a whole half a block away).
Which part of the neighborhood is an issue too I think
By Parkwayne
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 10:14am
My street doesn't have Residential parking but I'm pretty sure I could get a permit for Roslindale and then use that to park down by the CR stop. I think that's kind of goofy because it makes someone who lives on Conway St. compete for parking with someone who drives in from 'outer' Roslindale.
These arguments seem to be
By Matt_J
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 2:59pm
These arguments seem to be dancing around the real issues, the high cost (monetary and otherwise) of living in Boston. If people are being priced out of living in Boston that is not the fault of suburbanites, it is increasing demand in a "World Class City"(tm)
Blaming and penalizing "suburbanites" for the act of driving into Boston does not really solve the problem. Would you rather not have these people work and spend their money in Boston?
As for Lyft and Uber, would you rather have all these riders drive around in their own cars with legitimate Boston parking stickers? There is no limit on those regardless of the number of parking spots.
IMO the rise of ride sharing and driving has to do with the poor and inconsistent quality of public transportation. Make trains and buses arrive on time with enough capacity for current ridership and the number of cars will go down.
Placing blame on "the foreigners" of suburbia will do nothing in the long run to solve the problem. It only create a good sound bite and allows for politician to do nothing politically bold to solve the problem.
//ill get off the soap box now
As to your statement about
By Coyote137
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:02pm
Uber and Lyft, they actually increase congestion given their cruising time (deadhead time) when they are not transporting anybody. I ride TNCs once I a while, but they’re not all that sustainable of a solution. Yes, public transit needs to improve, but raising fees on TNCs would help fund transit.
This. And also, increased
By eherot
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:08pm
This. And also, increased congestion makes the bus service less reliable to boot.
this and double parking
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 4:25pm
They will stop all traffic in my neighborhood (Allston), including blocking access to a street to drop off/pick up. They do not care about holding up anyone for their ride. They then drive at 5 miles an hour while checking their app before they commit to a route in case they have another ride - never pull over to do that. I never thought I'd miss the relative manners of the taxis.
Yellow cabs cruise around
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 9:28pm
Yellow cabs cruise around looking for fares. Uber/Lyft tends to pull over and wait.
I disagree, Coyote137.
By mplo
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 12:01am
Uber and Lyft have done far more good than many, if not most regular taxi cab drivers, since both Lyft and Uber are a hell of a lot cheaper and more reliable than most regular taxi cab drivers. I'll also add that another reason many people rely on Lyft and Uber is because our public transportation system is so unreliable, deplorable, and unpredictable.
Also, the Lyft and Uber people know how to avoice adding to the congestion by using their GPS's. I've used Lyft quite a bit myself when I need to get to appointments, or elsewhere, especially in horrible winter weather, because the MBTA is so unreliable and unpredictable now, and Lyft has proved to be a god-send for me, when I've needed it.
Cheaper for now
By Parkwayne
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 7:06am
Both companies public admit they subsidize cheap rates until they can use autonomous vehicles to offer rides w/o paying drivers. Failing that, they'll start raising fares when they start running out of money.
If you are a car on the
By eherot
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 9:39am
If you are a car on the street in the city, you are adding to the congestion. No amount of fancy routing software will change that and Uber and Lyft are no exception.
You must be one of those
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:13pm
You must be one of those people that support Uber/ Lyft drivers idling in bike lanes waiting to be summoned by their next customer. Typical lazy suburbanite attitude.
Where do you get that? He
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:59pm
Where do you get that? He doesn't say anything to support Ubers and Lyfts parking illegally.
Suburbanites aren't the problem
By anon
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 9:42am
Suburbanites aren't lazy, they just choose to spend their money differently (ie not pay rent in the city) or have jobs that don't allow them to live in the city. Stop talking about people who live outside of Boston proper like they're idiots who shouldn't be able to enjoy the culture in the city occasionally.* Suburbanite money is just as good as any other when we're shopping or dining or parking (more so, because we don't get free permits!).
*This is directed at not just this post, but many across this website.
Matt J, you have my vote for Mayor (or Councilor)
By Gary C
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:44pm
The city council is afraid that people will only remember that they voted to charge them $25 come election day. Rather than talk sensibly about it, they brought up this whole Uber buggaboo, that really has nothing to do with resident parking.
And if the problem really IS that those damn illegals from Dedham are taking up all the resident spaces, then let's get cracking with the enforcement. (I never foresaw the day where Althea and I would agree on anything.)
suburbanites not off the hook
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 4:33pm
they do get away with murder parking in resident only neighborhoods without getting ticketed, esp where there is touristy stuff like the MFA, the Garden, the North End. Why Uber or take public transportation if it's free? They need to enforce the resident only parking regardless of this permit fee, which is so reasonable as to be ridiculous - really should be much more (this from someone who would end up paying it). I also agree with the multiple posts - there would be less Uber/Lyfts if the T in all it's forms (train/bus/subway) were more reliable and convenient. The suburbanites might even be tempted to use the trains if they could be counted on (and cheaper than the garage parking they would be forced to do if the city properly busted them for illegally parking).
[citations needed]
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 7:53pm
Sorry, couldn't resist the pun.
You can just
By Luke Warm
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:00pm
ban most cars on all the streets that you won't need to use a kayak on soon. that will fix it.
Gee, how about we increase
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:18pm
Gee, how about we increase the gas tax...how many years has it been? And in that time how many increases has the MBTA seen? Once again proving cars are king.
Good luck with that
By Russ
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 9:59pm
Don't you remember that the "liberal" citizens of MA recently rejected the indexing of the gas tax to the inflation rate? If they voted that reasonable measure down down, I doubt there is support to raise it now, even though we need the money form our crumbling roads and raising the tax when gas prices are relatively low is the perfect time to do it.
This born and raised in
By anon
Thu, 04/25/2019 - 9:37am
This born and raised in Boston "liberal" wants it raised. As do my liberal friends and family. I am not sure why people think "liberal" is a bad word.
"We cannot have it both ways;
By anon
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 3:20pm
"We cannot have it both ways; we cannot say you should not pay to ride the T and then turn around and charge for parking permits."
wow, genius logic.
It's as impossible
By Sock_Puppet
Wed, 04/24/2019 - 5:15pm
As telling your kids they can have all the vegetables they want, and only one slice of cake for dinner! Impossible!
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