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Looks like Boston Magazine needs a map of Boston neighborhoods
By adamg on Mon, 05/06/2019 - 10:31am
Boston Magazine published a list of breweries about to open in the area that starts with this intro:
Roslindale, Malden, and other nearby suburbs will soon have fresh beer in the neighborhood. ...
Massachusetts is home to upwards of 130 craft breweries - and in 2019, there are several more in the works close to the city of Boston.
Ooh, lookee here: The Boston Planning and Development Agency has a handy page with maps of Boston neighborhoods.
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Carpetbaggers
Buncha damn carpetbaggers.
What do u mean by bunches of Carpet bags? I've in Brookline!!!
And Boston Magazine knows everything right, they are the authoritative source.
That's why they made LPH the most important person in the City, including Wellesley, westboro, North shore, South Shore, dorchester bay and Foxboro! If Daddy says it's true, then he pays the right people and they make it true!!!
#soulcycle
#Premierleague4goalstomorrow!
#metoo
Ha!
If you're going to make football jokes, then you're okay. #COYS
What's the problem?
The definition of "suburb" can encompass both residential, outlying neighborhoods of a city as well as its neighboring towns.
Not really
OK, in the greater scheme of things, this issues is hardly a major one, but, no, Roslindale is not a suburb, any more than Cambridge and Somerville are part of Boston, another thing Boston Magazine forever declares.
Definition of suburb
Definition of suburb
1a : an outlying part of a city or town
b : a smaller community adjacent to or within commuting distance of a city
c suburbs plural : the residential area on the outskirts of a city or large town
2 suburbs plural : the near vicinity : ENVIRONS
I hope Merriam-Webster can be considered as authoritative a source as the urbane self-image of area residents.
You seem like
the type of person who would start a wedding toast with 'Websters Dictionary defines marriage as..."
A throwback to earlier times
Maybe they're talking about pre-1873, when Rozzie was part of Westie (which had itself seceded from Roxbury in 1851 and annexed in 1868).
Well, at one time, it appears that
residents called Roslindale the "garden suburb" of Boston:
https://www.boston.gov/neighborhood/roslindale
So, yes, I can see how Roslindale could be considered a "burb" of Boston.
meh, i'm o.k. with the
meh, i'm o.k. with the camberville being part of boston.
Roslindale isn't outlying
Even by your definition, Roslindale is not particularly outlying compared to other parts of Boston that Boston Mag would have no trouble remembering are part of the city.
Further out than Malden
It is further out than Malden or Medford, or Quincy or even Arlington.
Wake me when people in Arlington or Quincy ...
Get to vote for the mayor of Boston, get to enroll their kids in Boston Latin School (well, legally, anyway) or have to remember to pay their annual Boston excise bills.
Wake me when ...
Any of those things have anything at all to do with getting a beer at a nanobrewery taproom.
WAKE ME UP
WHEN SEPTEMBER ENDS.
Sorry, I can’t help myself. You’re right though. I just drove through Roslindale and it’s very suburban
Further than what?
Further than what? The actual City limits? Because Roslindale is WITHIN the city limits.
Part of Boston is "further out" than another part of Boston??
your argument doesn't make sense. Roslindale IS part of Boston - so how can a part of the city be further out than itself?
Belmont further out than say Arlington? ok, you might have an argument - because neither of those towns are a neighborhood of Boston.
just because a boston neighborhood is further west or south (from downtown) - doesn't mean its not part of Boston.
pretty simple -
Forget the boundaries
This sounds like it needs to be made into a cycling event. All these places are within short distances of both existing breweries and the other new brews in this review.
Picky, picky, picky
Okay, I know arguing over town lines and neighborhood streets is a favorite UHub hobby, but I think taking umbrage at this subtitle is pushing it a bit.
Regardless, they've updated the wording slightly. HAPPY?!?
:)
Makes my day, kinda, sorta
I mean, it could still be read as though they think Roslindale isn't part of the city, but baby steps, I'll take it.
Not understanding the issue?
The article simply lists three places where breweries are opening. The third item on the list, "other nearby suburbs" doesn't necessarily describe or relate to the previous two list items. What am I missing?
Top 10 Onion headline
"New Yorker Article Unread in Queens, Bronx, Brooklyn, Staten Island"
Point of Fact
Malden Center is a 5.5 mile walk to Boston City Hall
Roslindale Village is 7.4 miles.
So Boston is a big city? Got it.
Thanks for the useless stat. What is it intended to convey? Cambridge city hall is closer to Boston City Hall than Roslindale as well. Same for most of Dorchester, Mattapan, Oak Square in Brighton, West Roxbury, Hyde Park, JP, etc. But just like Cambridge, Malden is not part of Boston.
Are you missing something? My head hurts.
Pro tip, nobody from here calls it Roslindale Village. It's Rozzie Square.
Agree with your first point, but not with 2nd
We've been over this here so many times before. The area around Adams park was called "the village" by locals up to about the WW2 era, and many older residents never stopped calling it that. There's articles in newspapers and online history sites showing this usage was common.
It appears that around the middle of the 20th, baby boomers took to calling it Rozzie Square. Perhaps 'village' sounded too suburban to mid-century ears and as proud Bostonians the locals were attracted to a more urban term.
But over the last couple decades, as the area has regained economic and cultural vibrancy and started to expand again, and as Roslindale as a whole is gaining recognition as a coherent and attractive neighborhood, it clearly makes sense to many nearby residents to use "Rozzie Village" to describe the area centered on Adams Park and extending 1/8-1/4ish mile along Washington, and down Cummins and Belgrade. (with Rozzie Square being the area directly adjoining Adams Park).
Imo, it's a sign of success and people should take it as such.
"gaining recognition as a coherent and attractive neighborhood"?
"gaining recognition as a coherent and attractive neighborhood"?
elitist much? good lord.
I guess those who always saw the value in Rozzie were "incoherent and unattractive" before now.
All of the great things happening in Roslindale (new shops, restaurants, engagement, etc.) are also a result of Roslindale being a fantastic place to live all along. Bottom line, Rozzie has all of the components that make a true neighborhood - walkability, transit, green space, long-term residents, diversity (at least for now), etc.
If someone is "just discovering" Rozzie, then good for them.
But yogo studios, artisan cheese shops, and beer halls aren't the only things that make a neighborhood great - its the people.
Where were you in the 70s
I wasn't around here, but have heard some pretty sketchy stories about that area from.people that still remember.
Granted, hard to believe, but Back Bay was apparently a bit of a pit back then too.
BoMag's Core Audience
Makes sense when you realize Boston Magazine is a magazine geared toward the narrow interests of nearly identical populations of wealthy white people that rarely step foot in the outer Boston neighborhoods: those living in downtown neighborhoods and those living in tony suburbs like Wellesley.
Fact of the matter is
that Roslindalians are pretty much the only people who know where Roslindale actually is.
Not implying any judgments with that -- it's just that you neither pass through Rozzie going from point A to point B, nor do most folks have knowledge of a reason to go there.
That’s just BS. Anyone
That’s just BS. Anyone attended Catholic School went to JB Edwards once a year for uniforms, Defino’s, RMV? People new to the city may not be as familiar, but anyone from Boston knows about Roslindale.
Oh, I will grant you that ...
I still remember the time a friend from out in the burbs (Marlborough) tried to get to our house and wound up calling us from a gas station in Jamaica Plain after taking a wrong turn in one of the roughly 57 rotaries between Rte. 9 and our humble Roslindale homestead up here on the other side of the mountain passes on the Hyde Park frontier (this was obviously pre-GPS days). But she didn't have "Boston" in her name, so she had a good excuse.
nnnnnope
nnnope - it's actually just people who aren't from Boston who have trouble locating Boston neighborhoods. For people who grew up in Boston, we can name (and find) everyone neighborhood. But lets be honest. If you ask the average post-college bro who is living in Brighton for a few years before moving to nack to the burbs, he wouldn't be able to find Egleston Square either, or Savin Hill, or Adams Corner. or Mattapan, etc.
Reality is that people who are from other places don't know most parts of Boston because they haven't gone there or grew up somewhere else - but at the same time - they are the same people who will be away on vacation and tell everyone they are FROM Boston.
Fact - I was in Mexico and a couple saw my Sox hat. They said they were from Boston. I said cool me too, which neighborhood? They looked at me like I had three heads before telling me they were from Sheffield, MA.
Point being, I didn't know where Sheffield was, and they didn't know Roslindale. Get it?
The 1980s Called...
...they want Boston Magazine back. How does this relic still exist? And this is what happens when you hire blow-ins to write about Boston.
I was reading it just last night as I waited in line...
on the sidewalk outside of Olive's before Todd had his numerous troubles....
That's what you get
When you have a bunch of New York buffoons trying to write articles on Boston. One requirement to graduate from any of the local colleges and universities is you promise to leave here after graduating.
I’ve noticed Boston magazine
I’ve noticed Boston magazine will list places in Somerville, Cambridge and Newton before places in Dorchester, Rox, etc.
That's where the people who
That's where the people who matter (e.g. their demographic) live so in their mind that is "Boston".
because it’s where their
because it’s where their readers (or advertiser hopefuls in the 18-36 range) live. i live in everett but most of my professional friends live on the cambridge/somerville side of the river and frequent the places in back bay, south end, seaport, etc.
Those magazines in in
Those magazines in in businesses all over the city.
One way to make this all much easier:
bring on the annexations!
Nope
Better to divest
Just by pure coincidence...
...the article has been revised: “Roslindale, Malden, and other nearby locations will soon have fresh beer in the neighborhood”
Are we happy?
Guess
they follow UHub.
I'm very happy
I have actually invested in Medford Brewing Company, if for no other reason than Max Heinegg was such a wonderful English teacher and supportive mentor for my two sons at Medford High.
He also makes amazing beer and is just an all around wonderful friend and awesome person.
Keep an eye on this, and buy this beer! The APA is particularly excellent.
Why is this always a debate?
If Marty is your mayor, you pay BOSTON excise/property taxes and BPS is the default system then you live in Boston. I’ve had this debate with my fiancé who is from Everett and swears that it’s apart of Boston. Also, if your town has its own separate police and fire department then it is not a Boston neighborhood; it’s just a neighbor to Boston. It is plain and simple.
Wolcott Square
I like to refer to Wolcott Square and Readville, where I live, as the rural hinterlands of Boston.
QED, bro
QED, bro
i feel like anywhare within a
i feel like anywhare within a mile of a t-station is boston.