Car flips on Adams Street in Dorchester

By adamg on Wed, 08/14/2019 - 1:15pm

Segun Idowu reports he happened upon this flipped car around noon and that he and some other folks managed to get the driver out and she just had some minor scratches.

Neighborhoods:

Dorchester

Topics:

Driving

Free tagging:

Adams Street

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Don't "get the driver out"

By anon
Wed, 08/14/2019 - 1:24pm

Encourage the occupants to stay put, even if they are uninjured and able to get out on their own.

A car on its roof is not stable. It could tip and crush you and whoever is climbing out of it! Stay clear, calm the occupants, call for help.

Emergency workers will be there quite quickly.

It's common for an accident of that severity to result in a fuel leak. Leaking gas combined with an ignition that may not be turned off are a recipe for a bonfire. By leaving the occupant in the car, you might be sentencing them to a gruesome death. Also, being suspended upside down is neither comfortable nor healthy.

What is the source of your claim that rollover victims should be left strapped in to the car?

It's a crash, not an accident

By Kinopio
Wed, 08/14/2019 - 10:44pm

It's a crash, not an accident. An accident implies no one was at fault. A driver was at fault here because cars don't flip themselves.

Again, says who?

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 7:29am

You, apparently. I reject your personal definition of this commonly-understood word. An accident is something that was not deliberate. It does not imply no one was at fault.

So you reject our campaign to

By cinnamngrl
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 9:07am

So you reject our campaign to save lives by identifying driver's responsibility to control their vehicles?

So you reject my campaign

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 10:36am

to not read minds and put words in people's mouths? Once again, the word accident does not imply that no one is responsible. I have no idea where this notion came from, or why you find it useful to make nonsensical assertions about my beliefs.

You've already contradicted yourself

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 10:50am

An accident is something that was not deliberate.

the word accident does not imply that no one is responsible

So which is it?

No, I have not

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 10:55am

You don't have to be deliberately wrong to be responsible for being wrong.

As you are.

The mental gymnastics here are Olympic level

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:09am

Fantastic display of word salad skills trying to skirt around personal responsibility.

Nope

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:15am

None of the above.

That isn’t a contradiction at

By Lmo
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 12:10pm

That isn’t a contradiction at all.

Sure it is

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 1:14pm

If we are sticking with the whole definition of words heming and hawing, then a contradiction is a combination of statements, ideas, or features of a situation that are opposed to one another.

An accident is something that was not deliberate. The word accident does not imply that no one is responsible.

Doing something deliberately (like speeding) does make one responsible (for a crash). Thats not an accident.

Thanks for playing!

A person can be responsible

By Lmo
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 2:13pm

A person can be responsible for and accident, it doesn’t mean they deliberately caused it.

Sure it does

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 3:29pm

They took deliberately careless/reckless actions and it resulted in a crash, they are responsible.

Next!

Just because a driver didn't deliberately cause it

By mplo
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 6:36pm

Just because a driver didn't deliberately cause an accident doesn't absolve him or her of responsibility, especially if s/he ends up maiming or killing somebody as a consequence of his/her actions.

I know.

By Lmo
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 6:51pm

That was my comment.

Something something personal responsibility

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 10:39am

You have to deliberately get into a car to operate it, you have to deliberately drive it recklessly to do something like crash or flip or jump the curve. It ain't by accident.

If the flip was caused by some other reckless driver, well then that was a deliberate action they took that caused this crash and they are at fault. Still not an accident.

FFS

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 10:52am

This is not obscure. Merriam-Webster:

Definition of accident
1a : an unforeseen and unplanned event or circumstance Their meeting was an accident.
b : lack of intention or necessity : chance They met by accident rather than by design.
2a : an unfortunate event resulting especially from carelessness or ignorance was involved in a traffic accident

Carelessness and ignorance likewise do not imply no one is at fault. Sometimes, no one is responsible for an accident. Usually, someone is, and society has several institutions that spend a lot of time determining who that is.

Points for the middle school debate methods

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:07am

Quote the dictionary all you want and try to explain away reckless driving in court, let us know how that institution sees it.

Make shit up

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:13am

I am not trying to explain away anything, other than your rococo notions about what the word accident means. If the car-flipper was driving recklessly, then they should be held responsible for the accident. Duh.

Still a crash, not an accident

By spin_o_rama
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:44am

Now you're conjuring up elaborately ornamental late baroque style of decoration prevalent in 18th-century Continental Europe, with asymmetrical patterns involving motifs and scrollwork.

Or maybe you meant the rococo style of art, decoration, or architecture?

Oh but wait I didn't use Merriam-Webster to search that term, gee so weird to see differing definitions for a word. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Definitions evolve

By cinnamngrl
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:46am

APPROACHES to the phenomena of trauma, which are of interest here, are rapidly becoming more rational and scientific. Nonetheless, the field still includes the only substantial, remaining categories of human morbidity and mortality still viewed by most laymen and professionals alike in essentially prescientific terms. The traditional wisdom perpetuates terms and concepts formerly applied to much of human experience. "Luck," "chance," "accident," and other extrarational notions still survive from the times when scientific explanations for plagues, earthquakes, "natural disasters," and other terrifying phenomena scourged a mankind that had no rational understanding, either of their sources or of the means for dealing with them. Unfortunately, because of their automatic subscription to the traditional, prescientific wisdom of the field, many professionals-physicians, behavioral scientists, and others-in coming to this field for the first time, still merely translate the traditional wisdom and its terms into their own scientific framework and jargon. .

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC12287...

Says MassDOT, NHTSA, IIHS, etc. etc.

By anon
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 12:23pm

Look it up.

The general guide from state and federal agencies handling incident statisitics is CRASH not ACCIDENT.

Sorry Mr. Sealion, but you are officially wrong.

Irony

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 6:03pm

You call me a sealion, while appealing to authorities. It's not relevant what term those authorities use to refer to collisions, when you're trying to justify a peculiar interpretation of a different term. Show me where they chose crash because they believe accident implies an absence of responsibility, and you might have a point. Go ahead.

Last I checked ...

By SwirlyGrrl
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 8:02pm

Webster's dictionary wasn't exactly the final word on specific terms for specific situations.

I'm going to go with the NHTSA on this one, as they actually compile and work with crash statistics instead of general word usage for middle schoolers. https://www.nhtsa.gov/research-data

By all means, you go

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 8:58pm

Their using one word for 'incidents' doesn't make the word that most people commonly use wrong. Nor does either term imply that no one's responsible. (I know you weren't saying that, but some people can't seem to accept it.)

deliberatly missing the point

By cinnamngrl
Fri, 08/16/2019 - 9:13am

"Luck," "chance," "accident," and other extrarational notions still survive from the times when scientific explanations for plagues, earthquakes, "natural disasters," and other terrifying phenomena scourged a mankind that had no rational understanding, either of their sources or of the means for dealing with them.

How freakin' badly do you have to be driving...

By uhub-fan
Wed, 08/14/2019 - 3:19pm

...to flip an automobile over on a city street?

And it seems to happen once a week around here.

Pretty often

By bgl
Wed, 08/14/2019 - 10:58pm

So, my running tally of the plus or minus block around Adams St/Richmond St intersection, starting a year and a half ago:

~ 1 year 4 months ago: Drunk driver slams into a house's retaining wall at 2/3am, drives off in a wreck

~8 months ago: Driver ends up almost driving into a house (opposite side of the street) taking out front lawn/hedge/tree/etc. 1/2am, police show up, driver stays

~4-5 months ago Driver manages to take out the entire stop light on the side walk at the intersection, which was brand new and replaced a few days prior. 1/2am. Police, no idea on driver

Today: Car flips over in broad daylight.

This is just what I have seen - probably tons of other pretty major accidents occur, the city seriously needs to do something. Even more funny as Marty lives a block away.

Only one of which...

By perruptor
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 7:33am

meets the condition set forth in the question, in that none of the other cars flipped over. Unless you're leaving something out ...

it does need traffic calming.

By cinnamngrl
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 9:16am

The speed limit is 25 here, but no one wants to follow it. I get tailgated and cars constantly pass me. This is traffic evading route that many people use to get to dorchester and points beyond. There is very little street parking as most of these houses have off street parking. The cedar grove intersection is completely uncontrolled. The cars from Milton Street block the intersection while they "yield" to right of way traffic. More lights? More stop signs? I am pretty sure that neighborhood won't tolerate a speed bump.

Cars “pass” you on Adams St.?

By Lmo
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 10:22am

Cars “pass” you on Adams St.?!?

not legally

By cinnamngrl
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 11:24am

not legally

Obviously. I can’t imagine a

By Lmo
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 12:15pm

Obviously. I can’t imagine a car crossing the yellow lines to pass someone in that area. You cannot see far ahead of you and there are always cars coming from the opposite direction.

It helps to have either

By Rob
Thu, 08/15/2019 - 9:03am

It helps to have either

- the Hazzard County Public Works Dept having a conveniently-placed pile of dirt to serve as an off-center launching ramp, or...

- the TURBO BOOST/BARREL ROLL button on your Knight Industries Two Thousand

Car flips on Adams Street in Dorchester

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