By adamg on Mon., 8/26/2019 - 3:25 pm
WBUR reports at least 20 children now receiving care at Boston hospitals for, among other things, cancer, cystic fibrosis, HIV, cerebral palsy, muscular dystrophy and epilepsy have been given about a month to get out of the US because the government no longer cares to let their kind stay in the US, no matter how sick they are.
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Yeah, it's definitely
By Scratchie
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 12:11pm
Yeah, it's definitely negligence (or choice, LOL) that makes people beg for money on the internet to pay their medical bills. Bunch of slackers.
PRO-LIFE Y'ALL!!!!!!
By Scratchie
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 4:26pm
PRO-LIFE Y'ALL!!!!!!
Waste of time debating them here or anywhere
By 673DaysUntilNex...
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 4:51pm
People who support such action are beyond reasonable discourse. It seems that on a few recent stories about the unadulterated hate coming from the executive branch and how it is impacting our area a comment pops up about how calling the Boston Globe "Dorchester number" leads to a call center in the Philippines, without a clear connection as to how that has something to do with fascism in our country.
a few recent stories?
By tachometer
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 5:12pm
Are you new here? Fishy has been milking that story for years now.
Yes, they are new. Haven't
By Brent Jeffries
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 8:07pm
Yes, they are new. Haven't you noticed the wave of new unverified accounts and the sudden dramatic increase in Likes of posts by UHub's resident trolls? Since when does anything FISHY says get dozens of Likes? I'm fairly confident the site is being targeted for social media manipulation.
Visas
By Refugee
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 9:29pm
The article doesn't seem to describe "visas they had previously gotten to come here for care." It sounds more like the people mentioned were already in the USA illegally, and had their deportation deferred for medical reasons.
That's different from the USA inviting foreigners to come for medical care (which requires a visa) and then shooing them away.
You're right
By adamg
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:10pm
I've deleted the part about previous visas since that isn't an issue here.
The fact remains, though, the government is ordering sick kids out of the country.
Most entered legally
By tachometer
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 1:21pm
From one source I heard that most people in this circumstance came here legally with a visa and either fell ill while they were here or came for treatment that is taking longer or their condition worsened. Here's one example:
"Shonell Norville, a 37-year-old from Guyana, said she and her 7-year-old son, Joaquim, are facing deportation when their medical deferred action expires in March. They came on a tourist visa in August 2016 to visit Joaquim’s grandparents, who are US citizens, and were visiting Franklin Park Zoo when Joaquim fell ill and was diagnosed with epilepsy, Shonell Norville said. Since then, Joaquim has had major problems. His lungs collapsed when he had a seizure, requiring doctors to perform a tracheotomy. He also developed an infection in his colon, requiring the removal of his large intestine and the use of a colostomy bag."
Canada has a much better
By anon
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 9:29pm
Canada has a much better system of health care anyway. Maybe Canada will take them?
Yeah right
By Stevil
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:48pm
That's why all the rich foreigners fly right over Logan to get to Canada instead of all those crappy hospitals in DC, Baltimore, NY and Boston.
You're missing the point, JD
By Pete X
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 11:44pm
It's the rest of the poor locals not being able to afford the hospitals in DC, Baltimore, NY, and Boston that's the problem.
I would've expected a deeper understanding of the shortcomings in our health care system from a "major-league" financial expert like yourself. Oh well.
Yeah, i know
By Stevil
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 12:05am
Would much rather go get in.line for some care in Canada instead of say BMC or the Carney.
DId they teach you about why the stats on life expectancy and infant mortality are not good measures of outcome comparisons down in AA?
You're not very good at this are you? Good luck in the minor leagues.
And did you miss the part that at leastvone of these kids is at Childrens? And Masshealth is paying?
Crappy system we got here!
Another swing and miss from the "major leaguer"
By Pete X
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 8:53am
I was just talking about costs, I didn't say a thing about life expectancy or infant mortality, but hey, those stats ALSO aren't great here compared to the rest of the developed world, are they? Thanks for pointing out that health care is way more expensive for way worse outcomes in this country versus the rest of the developed world!
https://infogram.com/health-care-spending-in-the-u...
Getting a little jumpy, at the plate aren't you "JD"?
And this is why you're a lifer in the chill league
By Stevil
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 1:07pm
It's almost always impossible to use simple comparisons to evaluate complex systems:
https://www.forbes.com/sites/physiciansfoundation/2018/04/09/u-s-health-...
As the author points out, Europe has vastly different measures of outcomes than we do for the same medical conditions. Not many 90 year olds will get a double knee implant in Europe, but they will here. And our systems can vary as much by state as they do by country in Europe.
There are many good reasons (and many bad ones) our system is more expensive and why we look inferior on simple measures like cost and outcomes. Once you learn to hit that curve ball, maybe you'll make it to the big leagues.
Oh gosh, JD.Very disappointing for a "major leaguer"
By Pete X
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 2:19pm
No one said the reasons WHY health care costs are high and outcomes poor in this country weren't varied, it's almost like you're arguing with yourself? I said too many people can't afford the treatment they need in this country, which even your Forbes authors would admit. Surely as an alleged author like yourself (with a book you have yet to share with us) you would want to argue in good faith?
Does this seem like evidence of a well-functioning health care system? Desperate people lining up for days just to get a medical professional to look at them for a few minutes at a free clinic: https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/the-clinic...
Or how about millions of Americans begging to raise money for medical treatment on GoFundme: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/01/the-...
These are two really awful actual examples of how messed up our health care system is that don't conjure up hordes of mythical 90 year old tennis players getting two knee replacements as a reason. What an obvious bush-league anecdote that was, JD. You should really be ashamed of yourself.
Nice try at redirect
By Stevil
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 3:24pm
And I quote
"shortcomings in our health care system" doesn't mention cost or affordability anywhere.
But if you want to ignore those and discuss affordability - fine.
It is ridiculously expensive for lots of reasons (some covered in that article - the co-author of which happens to be the 90 year old with the two knee transplants - nice myth).
Bottom line - if you can't afford health care - Medicaid is supposed to help you. If your state is too screwed up to provide that care - well take it up with Tennessee etc.
If you don't qualify for Medicaid - you are supposed to have coverage on your own - adjusted for income.
Doesn't help the cost of the medical bills, but if you can't afford medical coverage in this country - you are doing something wrong or your state is such as they note in Tennessee (and most of that article you link to is more about access to medical care in rural areas, little to do with affordability).
And keep in mind the bottom line - we are talking here about someone that entered the country illegally with a sick child and is getting public assistance at one of the best hospitals in the world all or mostly for free! Spread the word - if your kid is sick and you can sneak into the US everything is free at last, free at last, thank God almighty, it's free at last!
"getting public assistance at
By Carty
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 3:48pm
"getting public assistance at one of the best hospitals in the world all or mostly for free! "
You seem to know a lot of specifics not mentioned in the article, did you simply make them up?
Did you read the article?
By Stevil
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 4:28pm
All 20 have “medical deferred action,†a special status that enables them to stay in the country, get MassHealth benefits, and work legally while their children receive medical care.
Are you arguing that Children's hospital is not one of the best in the world or that MassHealth is not public assistance? Or that somehow someone on MassHealth is actually covering the majority of the care?
Still looking for the...
By lbb
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 4:41pm
..."all or mostly for free" bit. Got a cite? And, um, how that affects you?
Read the article
By Stevil
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 5:12pm
Do you know what medicaid is?
You have no idea if they are
By Carty
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 6:42pm
You have no idea if they are on MassHealth, nor should you.
Says so in the article
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 9:52pm
Did u read it?
Learn to understand context, o author
By Pete X
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 7:26pm
Right above where I said "shortcomings in our health care system," I said: "It's the rest of the poor locals not being able to afford the hospitals in DC, Baltimore, NY, and Boston that's the problem." Again, you so want to obfuscate and win a DIFFERENT argument that you didn't read what I said.
Too many Americans can't afford proper health care. That's the point! Should I say it more slowly? We can do better. Every other developed country provides decent, affordable healthcare and THIS country doesn't.
But then you come out and say:
Finally, FINALLY you come out and admit to being a Randian sociopath who thinks being poor, getting sick, or worse yet, being born poor and sick in a republican state is those people's own damn fault. (Tennesseans aren't real Americans I guess?) All the other blather about crowds of 90 year old tennis players is a smoke screen for you saying "Screw you, I got mine." Thank you for at last spelling it out so clearly. Good day, JD.
Do you even read the stuff you link to?
By Stevil
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 8:22pm
The primary point of that article was about lack of access to health care, not cost. Since the ACA was passed, almost all Americans have coverage (and 60% of medical payments are made by the government).
Affordability was a secondary point and mainly for the small percentage of those in the gap between government and private insurance.
They point out that Tennessee specifically decided not to expand Medicaid. How do I, a Mass resident, fix a state program somewhere else?
Bottom.line, for almost all Americans, we have universal coverage. We do have work to do for 3-5% of the population, and I support that. However, these are not Americans or legal residents. I'm gine if they stay for care, but send the bill to their home country. We can't afford coverage for our own citizens, much less the strain and cost of those who sneak in the back door and want us to subsidize their medical costs.
We have been told
By Jon Carry
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:37pm
We have been told for years how America's health care system is so terrible. These people should be thrilled to go back to their home countries and take advantage of their wunderful coverage.
What are the wealthiest states in the US?
By tachometer
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:58pm
A quick search says that Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates are the two wealthiest individuals in the US, and both of them have their primary residence in Washington state. Number three on the list is Warren Buffett who lives in Nebraska.
What is the point of this? Well, the people who claim that the US has the best health care in the world are essentially making an equivalent claim that Washington and Nebraska are the two wealthiest states because of those three residents.
Someone working below the poverty line in those states benefits as much from the wealth of those three as a US citizen who is sick but has no access to our first class or cutting edge medical care because they have no insurance or limited coverage. That's what makes the health care system bad.
Pay attention to when people make claims about how good or bad health care is here, there has been an intentional muddying of the water between health care and health care system to protect the interest of certain elements within the system.
There seems to be confusion here.
By Bob Leponge
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 11:21pm
The fact that in a rich country of 300 million people you can find specialists and specialty facilities that you can't find in, say, Iceland has, of course, very little relevance to the question of whether America's healthcare system, on the whole, provides better or worse outcomes than Iceland's.
Land of the free? Whoever
By thomas
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:50pm
Land of the free? Whoever told you that is your enemy.
We suck.
By bibliotequetress
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 1:15pm
That is all. We really do.
What the hell can we do to stop this?
Vote.
By Scratchie
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 5:52pm
Vote.
Help register others to vote.
Drive people to the polls so they can vote.
That's absolutely disgusting!
By mplo
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 9:28pm
Children who are ill have the right to be cared for here. Trump is really doing dirt.! Let's hope he's voted out next year!
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