By adamg on Mon., 8/26/2019 - 3:25 pm
WBUR reports at least 20 children now receiving care at Boston hospitals for, among other things, cancer, cystic fibrosis, HIV, cerebral palsy, muscular dystrophy and epilepsy have been given about a month to get out of the US because the government no longer cares to let their kind stay in the US, no matter how sick they are.
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This should be good.
By erik g
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 3:35pm
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Comments won't pick up until later
By Parkwayne
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 3:46pm
Fish, Roman, etc... are on hold with their doctors to check if they need to be concerned about still being in the same condition after four hours...
Racist.
By dmcboston
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 3:36pm
[img]https://i.imgur.com/raDX4Rb.gif[/img]
As someone pointed out recently
By BostonDog
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 3:46pm
That joke/commentary fake Boston Globe front page they made a few years ago is starting to look real.
Oh, geez, now you've
By Scratchie
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 4:26pm
Oh, geez, now you've triggered Fish and we'll have to hear about that lady in Manila with the Dorchester phone number again.
You're giving Fish too much credit
By tachometer
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:36pm
He always spells it "Manilla" when he tells us our favorite bedtime story.
More Trump related than
By anon
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 3:51pm
More Trump related than Boston related. Welcome to politicalhub...
I'm sorry, was the post too long for you to finish?
By adamg
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 4:16pm
Boston hospitals and kids in Boston are involved. Also, if you click the link, you'll see it involves an immigration-aid group based in Boston.
And for other folks, that group, the Irish International Immigration Center, is no longer just for the Irish - it has provided aid to people from 120 different countries.
my 82 yr old father in law
By Old Groucho
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 3:57pm
told me a few weeks ago when we were all out having breakfast (completely unprovoked btw)
"this is the same kind of stuff hitler did."
this is not a liberal man
this is not some hippie
this is not some whiny millenial
this is a no nonsense straight shooting red blooded american
this is a man who represents a dwindling population of those who have seen this all before
not only CAN it happen here, it IS happening.
Right now, as we speak
This country is in serious, serious danger
#WINNING
"These families are all here
By Patriciax
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 4:18pm
"These families are all here receiving treatment that is unavailable in their home countries, "
While I certainly feel for these families, I've been told over and over how much better healthcare is in other countries.
(Having friends and families use NHS - some unsuccessfully, I knew this was not the case but it is nice to see some honest reporting for a change).
Of course I would hope arrangements are made for the patient and parent/guardian. I think there's a bit more to this..
Why does a whole family come? Here in the US, if a child needs St. Judes, a parent or guardian is welcomed but certainly not the whole family. In the US, if a child is sick - the whole family doesn't just stop. What am I missing?
I speak as someone with a severely disabled sibling who has spent more time in hospitals than I'd like and watched parents struggle emotionally, financially, etc.
What are you missing?
By adamg
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 6:36pm
There's a difference between an American kid going to a hospital in an American city and a kid from another country going to an American hospital. Imagine if your child had to go to Rome for some sort of care - maybe you'd be OK with leaving the rest of your family behind, but a lot of people wouldn't.
Oh, for Christ's sake: We're talking about vulnerable, sick little kids and anxious parents and siblings. Have we really become so hateful and miserable a society we're unable to let kids and their parents in for medical care? I guess we now have an answer.
yes
By cybah
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 6:47pm
Yes, yes we have because of green paper and the class system we have (the have and have nots). We've moved to a culture, as i like to say:
"I've got mine, f*ck everyone else"
This pretty much sums up the US today. No one cares about any one else any more, just get out of MY way so I can have MY way.
Apply that phrase to alot of broad issues today and it becomes apparent. It's sad, we used to have compassion for each other, but not any more.
Simple solution
By Stevil
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 10:09pm
For the liberals, let them stay
For the conservatives, let their home country pay.
Let their governments make that choice.
Pffft.
By Patriciax
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 9:07am
Pffft.
I've lived it, I don't have to imagine.
Really?
By lbb
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 10:30am
You've lived being a kid with a serious illness who gets removed from the country where they can get care?
Cool story sis.
WE FOUND THE FASCISM ENABLER!
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 6:53pm
WE FOUND THE FASCISM ENABLER!!!!!!
LOL. yes dearie. I am
By Patriciax
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 9:11am
LOL. yes dearie. I am speaking from experience you don't have. I know more about dealing with a sick child than you will ever know. I've lived the emotional and financial hardships, let alone what it does to a family unit .
You are so off base here.
When you've got nothing to say, screaming "fascist" is always a good bet, huh?
Grow the fuck up.
Tell us about the time the
By Scratchie
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 10:32am
Tell us about the time the government came and took your sick child away so they couldn't get any medical care.
Well, I will not scream "fascist"...however,
By whyaduck
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 12:40pm
I would think that one, such as yourself, would have more understanding as you "speak as someone with a severely disabled sibling who has spent more time in hospitals than I'd like and watched parents struggle emotionally, financially, etc."
I find it curious that you apparently do not.
And if we are throwing the "f" bomb around, how about, "We are talking about fucking sick kids here". There should be no debate or discussion whether this is ok or not. What the Trump Administration is doing here is evil, pure and simple
I think I know
By Sock_Puppet
Mon, 08/26/2019 - 8:09pm
“Why does a whole family come? Here in the US, if a child needs St. Judes, a parent or guardian is welcomed but certainly not the whole family. In the US, if a child is sick - the whole family doesn't just stop. What am I missing?â€
Cultural literacy.
We used to live in Brookline
By Facepalm
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 5:53am
We used to live in Brookline and several children went to our kids school while also receiving medical treatment. They came from all over the country and the world. And yes it was the whole family because these are children and those families made that decision to come.
The 3 year old brother of my child’s classmate ended up dying. They were from Vermont but the whole family moved up here to be with their 3 year old while he received treatment. After he passed they moved back.
Another family from North Carolina, Florida, another from Asia...
Are you five years old?
By lbb
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 8:59am
Are you five years old and/or have never been outside the US? You seem to think that "other countries" are just one big blob and they're all the same.
The whole family DOESN'T come. But, given the seriousness of the conditions for which these children are being treated, their chances aren't great even in a US hospital, and that may be where they die. If your kid had to go somewhere else to a hospital for treatment of a life-threatening condition, and that treatment might not work out, where would you be?
And you think that gives you a ticket to crap on others who are less fortunate. Got it.
NHS
By Martin Owens
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 9:49am
The NHS is, like all heath care systems, complicated. The brightest point is that it's cheap. Accounting for only 8 to 9% of British GDP, compared to 19% for the US, and 11-14% for most EU countries. It does fairly well with reproductive heath and fairly poorly with cancer. NICE is in an ongoing battle with American drugs companies to keep drug prices in check, but drugs companies have started pulling drugs (i.e. killing people) rather than let the NHS get a reasonable deal. (despite offering research trials).
But comparing heathcare systems is hard. I think Boston has a much better deal than most of the USA considering how much of the medical industry is based here.
My two cents...
By dmcboston
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 3:39pm
(straightening necktie, getting ready to dodge lbb milkshake...)
" 'These families are all here receiving treatment that is unavailable in their home countries, ' "
Let's look at the care that Big Papi got when he was shot in the DR. They took care of him, kept him alive and stabilized him. He was there for a bit, then came to Mass General for follow-up treatment. I wonder who paid for it. Any country that can provide that level of emergency care for a gunshot wound should be able to handle, say, kidney dialysis. There's a place on Hyde Park Ave near Grandma's bakery that does outpatient dialysis. It's not a big deal, technically. Honduras, for example cannot do it? It's not a question of [i]can[/i] they but who will pay for it? Maybe it's the health care [ed] plan system in that country that sucks, not the medical treatment system. Travel to Jamaica? Buy the travel medical insurance. They don't take health plan cards and they demand cash.
They are here because they cannot get that level of care in their home countries, not because it doesn't exist, but because it doesn't exist [i] for them. [/i]
Except for Venezuela. Venezuela's screwed.
As far as separating kids from required treatments, I would think that courts would hold the deportations in abeyance until one side or the other proved their case.
Do you really not understand
By Trump-Baker 2020
Tue, 08/27/2019 - 11:06pm
Do you really not understand the difference between health care system and medical care? People aren't saying medical care in other countries is better (and certainly not where many of these kids are coming from). The United States has amazing medical care if you can afford it, or your health insurance covers what you need. But our health care system is terrible- very inefficient and expensive with worse health care outcomes. I do not understand why conservatives have such a difficult time understanding something as simple as this.
Read my link below
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 8:32am
"Worse outcomes" is not necessarily true - apples to apples.
As for expensive - yes. But it's also the reason we have some of the best hospitals in the world. Rich foreigners usually come here for care - not places with socialized medicine.
Know when to quit, JD
By Pete X
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 10:59am
Still carrying on about how ACTUALLY our health care system is fine if you're not poor AND live in the right state AND don't get sick I see.
JD, you've already stated below it's people's own damn fault that they can't afford health care. I think that says everything we need to know about your grasp on the realities of our system.
This is not 2005
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 11:28am
About 8-9% of US residents don't have health insurance. This is a choice (or negligence).
Virtually all health insurance is means tested. If you can't afford it (or don't have it), the question is why? If you can't afford it, you get it for free.
What part of that do you not understand?
Your grasp of our current system is about 15 years behind the times.
This is fine, right?
By Pete X
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 12:06pm
https://www.vox.com/health-care/2019/5/10/18526696...
And even those people who don't live in republican states (screw them, as you've already stated) often can't afford the care, JD. But I'm sure you know that already.
But this is fine, we can't do any better, right? Even though we live in the wealthiest country in the world, we have to also accept American mothers risking their children's lives because they can't afford the current system. After all, it's those stupid mothers' fault their kids are getting sick, right?
Once again
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 1:48pm
Do you read your own links?
These people decidedbto a) have kids they couldn't afford b) made a decision to drop one of their jobs and c) conscioysly decided to not get health insurance.
Yet again, please try to keep up.
Decided to have kids...
By Michael Kerpan
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 2:14pm
> ... they couldn't afford.
Nice one.
Not.
Not supposed to be nice
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 4:00pm
Social contract says we have an obligation to take care of those who can't take care of themselves. No problem.
Doesn't obligate us to take care of those who consciously decide to make others pay their way or for their "lifestyle" decisions.
You don't leave your job and give up employer insurance so you can have a nice stay at home mom lifestyle. Goes infinite times over when your kid almost dies because of that decision.
Stupid, selfish mother
By Scratchie
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 4:35pm
Wanting to spend time with her child instead of working. Who does she think she is, royalty? What a jerk. Deserves whatever she got, amirite?
That's a privilege
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 4:48pm
Not a right.
She deserves what she gets
The poor kid didn't. Adults need to make adult decisions and own their mistakes. Sadly, kids often pay the price of stupid parents.
Thanks once again for making
By Scratchie
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 4:51pm
Thanks once again for making your position crystal clear.
BTW, since you're so concerned about people abusing the "privilege" of having children, should I assume that you support full and unfettered access to birth control and abortion for all?
Sure
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 5:23pm
No problem. It's legal, isn't it.
Do YOU have a problem with that?
Good
By Scratchie
Thu, 08/29/2019 - 11:19am
As I sure you know, those rights are under attack by many on the political right in this country. I hope you're working to elect politicians who will keep those rights legal.
Is this what you mean?
By Stevil
Thu, 08/29/2019 - 12:47pm
I absolutely won't vote for trump and didn't last time.
I could probably be persuaded to vote for any of the current leading Dems except Warren.
Good enough for you?
What do you care what I think
By Scratchie
Thu, 08/29/2019 - 1:47pm
What do you care what I think?
Not for me.
By boo_urns
Thu, 08/29/2019 - 3:39pm
If you'd rather another 4 years of Trump and his cast of grifters running the US over Warren you are absofuckinglutely insane.
Do the math
By Stevil
Thu, 08/29/2019 - 5:55pm
If I refuse to vote for Trump or Warren, how much difference will it make.
If she's the Dem I go third party, just like 2016.
Plus if she's the Dem I think she gets crushed in the electoral college anyway. She scares small children.
Really don't understand your gripe with her.
By boo_urns
Fri, 08/30/2019 - 1:24pm
But, this is pretty awful, and patently false:
https://www.desmoinesregister.com/story/news/elect...
Whatever kind of "scary" image you made of Warren is simply a reflection of your own shortcomings.
Not just me
By Stevil
Fri, 08/30/2019 - 5:07pm
Even several of my liberal friends find her to be a phony opportunist. If you can't see through her shtick, you are not a particularly astute observer of human character.
this is not really a policy issue (my wife always laughs because she says I actually agree with her on a lot of things - especially the financial industry and their behavior). Like our current president but perhaps for different reasons, I think she lacks the judgment to be a good president. She lives in an ivory tower fantasy land when it comes to policy and perhaps most importantly, I don't trust her to be commander in chief. I don't agree with many of the same policies held by Bernie, Khamala, Pete, Amy and others - but I would trust them with their finger on the button.
Her? Not so much. She'd have to sit down and write a policy paper on the issues while Russian supersonic missiles were in the air.
Damn, man.
By boo_urns
Fri, 08/30/2019 - 5:45pm
The projection here is astounding. Both towards me and Warren.
But sure, you do have the luxury of voting third party in MA because we're largely a lock for a blue turnout.
Go ahead
By Stevil
Fri, 08/30/2019 - 7:17pm
Hand her the nomination. See what happens in the swing states.
Sadly, same fate is likely for the other progressives. Which leaves us with uncle Joe. Sad that the best the Dems can do to challenge Trump is Joe Biden.
I dunno, man
By boo_urns
Fri, 08/30/2019 - 9:40pm
You're the one saying that you'd vote for weirdo Marianne Williamson or Russian-backed Tulsia Gabbard over Warren, so I mean there's no total lapse in judgement there or anything.
This is the rationalization of a sociopath
By Pete X
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 5:43pm
Yep those poors who can't afford a perfectly reasonable $5,000 deductible just shouldn't be having kids. In fact, why don't we sterilize them, JD? Kids are only for rich people! What cracks me up is you think this is a reasonable thing to say out loud! You're supposed to say the "let them eat cake" stuff in private, JD.
Are you really that financially incompetent?
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 6:50pm
No wonder Mass got an F in financial literacy in a national review.
A) they chose not to pay for insurance
B) this was a lifestyle choice, she had a job with good benefits and left
C) If you have kids and can't swing an emergency $5000 bill, you shouldn't be having kids. Different if something befalls you, but if you are that irresponsible with money, you aren't grown up enough to be raising children
D) maybe we shouldvhave national health insurance so morons like this would be forced to pay for it.
What, you think medicare for all is free? Try more like $10k for every man woman and child in this country.
when you get life in the face
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 7:46pm
Remind us to let you die and not participate in your go fund me.
And if you think you've saved enough money? OH HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.
Read my posts
By Stevil
Wed, 08/28/2019 - 8:00pm
When you get life in the face, social contract says we back you.
If you just stick your hand out and say we need to pay for your lifestyle choices, my advice is make better choices.
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