Update: Moulton and his wife are now self quarantining with symptoms.
Poor Seth Moulton doesn't have enough to do with his time: He's cosponsoring a resolution with a Republican from Indiana to officially blame China for coronavirus. A Moulton mouthpiece says the failed presidential candidate's logic is that blaming China would help stop President Trump from becoming more xenophobic.
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What in the holy, sweet #$@%????????
By Old Groucho
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 12:37pm
I mean we all know he's an arrogant jarhead but I'm really speechless.
Moulton has gone full Tom Cotton.
He needs a Democratic primary challenger
By Ron Newman
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 12:39pm
Does he have one?
ugh
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 12:59pm
he and Tulsi Gabbard should board the DINO* express to dumbfuckistan where they belong.
*("Democrat In Name Only")
He's got at least one
By adamg
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:14pm
Jamie Belsito.
He has three so far:
By SalSal
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 8:07pm
Jamie Belsito, Lisa Peterson and Angus McQuilken. There have been a lot of people "thinking about it" since he went up against Pelosi, so there will probably more by May 5th, which is the limit for the state primary.
I had been impressed by the intelligence he had brought to his wartime experience and thought he showed promise. I probably will not vote for him again, but I say this with regret.
I'm running against Seth Moulton
By Angus McQuilken
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 9:30am
So I'm running against Seth Moulton in the 6th CD, where we need a Democrat as our Democratic nominee for Congress. There's room for everyone in my campaign for change. Learn more at www.angusforcongress.com. Follow on Facebook at @angusforcongress.
Here's my statement from yesterday regarding the Banks/Moulton resolution:
Statement of Angus McQuilken, Democratic Candidate for Congress in Massachusetts 6th Congressional District:
"Instead of focusing on the economic recovery bill, or holding the President's feet to the fire on his tragically slow response to the coronavirus, Seth Moulton is spending his time teaming up with House Republicans to provide cover to this President for his failures of leadership. President Trump's failure to act when action was urgently needed has left thousands of American lives at risk. This resolution won't save a single one of those lives, or put a single person back to work. It is simply a Republican attempt to distract, divide and promote xenophobia. Congressman Moulton's priorities are all wrong, and his failure to get even a single other Democrat to join him in sponsoring this resolution shows his lack of clout on Capitol Hill. This district needs a Democrat as their Democratic nominee for Congress, and voters are going to have a clear choice on September 1."
Yes he does...
By Tom Pilgrim
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 7:03pm
Angus McQuilken is running against Moulton in the September primary
How is this racist? If a
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 12:39pm
How is this racist? If a country mishandles a virus outbreak and covers it up, why not hold them responsible?
Are you suggesting that we
By Scratchie
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 9:53am
Are you suggesting that we should call this virus the Trump USA Virus?
eliminate any confusion
By mappa
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 12:50pm
just call it the Trump virus. He loves to take credit for things, help him out by giving him credit for this virus.
Where’s the racist part?
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 12:57pm
Where’s the racist part?
Have you seen what's going on?
By adamg
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:02pm
Asian-Americans are being physically attacked in the street.
It all plays into the Republican effort to demonize and scapegoat and divert attention from what they're trying to do.
The Nazis did it with the Jews before World War II, just as Christians in Europe had been doing with Jews for centuries. When things go wrong, deflect all the blame onto scapegoats. It never ends well.
Just as important, Moulton's stunt here does absolutely nothing to help his constituents prepare and deal with what's coming. Blame Canada, um, China? How does that help get masks and ventilators and other supplies to hospitals in his district or the state?
But Moulton is not a
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:52pm
But Moulton is not a Republican. Based on the things that he said when he was running for President, he’s not even close.
re: Have you seen what's going on?
By Refugee
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:57pm
I see what's going on, and none of it has been violence against Asians. I also see what's been reported, which is different, but hard to quantify because much of the reporting appears to reflect an inflammatory, partisan agenda among reporters.
Seeing what's going on is different from seeing what's being reported. Not the same thing.
You know...
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:59pm
...the Nazis also said that reports of attacks on Jews were just propaganda.
Can you point me to the "inflammatory, partisan agenda"
By fungwah
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 4:19pm
in these stories?
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-bullies-a...
https://www.newsweek.com/new-york-subway-attack-co...
https://nypost.com/2020/03/14/victim-of-possible-c...
I think I must be missing something here, because these (like the other stories I've seen) appear to be reporting on the statements given by police or governmental officials, but maybe that's "inflammatory" or "partisan" these days.
Do you have links to any assaults?
By bosguy22
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 3:46pm
I'm sure it has happened, but haven't been able to find any documented cases.
You're welcome
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 3:55pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coro...
Question
By Waquiot
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 4:53pm
I think that it is wrong that the State of Israel is illegally occupying the West Bank, the Gaza Strip, and Golan Heights. Does that make me antisemitic?
Go do something useful
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 5:11pm
No one has time for your bullshit right now.
You clearly had enough time
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 6:42pm
You clearly had enough time to write this useful reply.
Same at you, buddy
By Waquiot
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 7:28pm
Meanwhile, Gaffin is saying that criticizing the Chinese government for failing to curtail this early is racist, going as far as to reference Nazi Germany. My point is that it is possible to criticize a government (in the case I cited, even a kind of democratically elected one) of a nation without impugning every person of that nationality.
Of course, I’d love to see what the guy whose comment I challenged has to say.
half-baked analogy
By berkleealum
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 7:54pm
“chinese virus” or “kung flu” is not a meaningful criticism of the chinese government, in the same way that saying the israeli government “jewed” the palestinians out of their land wouldn’t be especially worthwhile.
Have you seen the resolution?
By Waquiot
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 10:54pm
It's here.
Lot's of talk in the resolution about how the government of the People's Republic of China failed to act. References to the brave work of Zhang Jixian, Yu Wenbin, Ai Fen, and of course the late Li Wenliang in trying to spread the word when they noticed the outbreak, work that was punished by the Chinese government. But sorry, I missed the references to "chinese virus" and "kung flu" in the resolution, but maybe I didn't read it too closely.
But I again ponder, why is it racist to propose a resolution condemning the actions of the government of the People's Republic of China, and does that by extension mean I am antisemitic for calling West Bank settlements illegal?
context
By berkleealum
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 8:16am
the resolution doesn’t exist in a vacuum. it seems to exist to legitimize the sentiments expressed by the president and his cronies by softening the edges a bit. further, it isn’t helpful at this time considering the uptick in prejudice against people of asian descent.
so yes, perhaps you could be antisemitic for calling the west bank settlements illegal — if you were also known to use antisemitic language in other settings.
So, to summarize
By Waquiot
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 9:23am
Seth Moulton, who is not known for expressing any prejudice against any Asian group, is racist for calling out the Chinese government for causing this pandemic to spread due to early inaction, in a resolution specifically praising Chinese people?
Um, okay.
It's at best a fucking waste of time, Waquoit
By lbb
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 9:38am
This really isn't that hard.
You know what is also a waste of time
By Waquiot
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 2:48pm
Calling Moulton a racist for this, absent any proof.
But here we are, Gaffin comparing Moulton to Nazi propagandists and a bunch of you supporting the claim because, well, that's the best thing to do at this time.
well
By berkleealum
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 9:54am
at the very least, in a time where the GOP’s rhetoric and trump’s will are one and the same, it seems questionable that moulton would co-write a controversial bill with a republican, see it sponsored by 40 republicans, and refuse to rethink his position when asked to by an asian american representative of his own party.
How controversial is it?
By Waquiot
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 2:50pm
Congress passes resolutions calling out the failings of governments all the time. Seeing how this failing is affecting the entire planet, I'd say it's not a bad thing.
What happened is that someone caught wind of members of the House blaming the Communist Party of China for all of this, and they decided to spin things. Then others followed suit.
I've got some bad news for you
By Scratchie
Fri, 03/27/2020 - 9:17am
Our own government's complete failure to contain this virus is going to cause a lot more damage to the world than the Chinese government's.
Moulton is engaging with this and in essence
By boo_urns
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 12:04pm
Being the GOP's useful idiot. I don't understand how you can't see it from this perspective. It's a bad faith way the GOP can turn and say "See! This isn't racist! It's even bipartisan!"
Now you are CCP apologist?
By Murkin
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 6:45am
Now you are CCP apologist?
Like all countries, we have a
By Omri
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:04pm
Like all countries, we have a very large population of complete and utter morons. And right now our Moron-American community has been physically assaulting anyone who looks Asian.
Including a 7 year old Burmese boy who was slashed across the face.
What's racist about this is that it will embolden our Moron-American community to step up the violence. When you have a high media profile, you have to bear in mind what effect your actions will have on the Moron-American community and what the consequences will be. `
Shocking
By bosguy22
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 3:47pm
Have a link to the story about the Burmese boy? I haven't seen it.
Here
By perruptor
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 5:56pm
Real world vs. legislation
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:09pm
We have to be concerned about effects, not just plausible deniability afforded by the strict interpretation of legislation. Threats, harassment and acts of violence against Asian and Asian-American people is happening now. That's the real world. And in the real world, this legislation stands exactly zero chance of extracting anything from China. Nothing of tangible benefit or even moral satisfaction will come from it. It does no good and contributes to harm. Now, are you still gonna argue that there's nothing wrong with it?
Threats, harassment and acts of violence against Asians? Fake.
By O-FISH-L
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:19pm
Could you share any links to confirm an increase in these incidents happening? My peers in law enforcement and friends at 911 aren't aware of this but perhaps they missed it. This goes for Asian-American officers who aren't aware of any uptick in these crimes either. Awful if true but worse if fake news.
You could at least do a cursory Google search
By fungwah
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:21pm
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/23/us/chinese-coro...
https://www.mercurynews.com/2020/03/21/coronavirus...
https://crosscut.com/2020/03/coronavirus-fears-pac...
https://www.kut.org/post/spike-prejudice-asian-ame...
https://www.sahanjournal.com/commentary/im-asian-a...
https://www.wsj.com/articles/feds-sound-alarm-over...
This took about 2 seconds with Google News, but I'm sure it's just a lot easier to say "hey well if I haven't been paying attention, it must not be happening" I guess.
What he means is, none of his
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:55pm
What he means is, none of his "friends" in "law enforcement" called him up to specifically alert him to the fact that this was happening, ergo, it is not happening. Q.E.D.
So tell us...
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 3:01pm
...about the "Asian-American officers" of your acquaintance who "aren't aware of any uptick in these crimes". Provide links to their statements.
Yeah, my imaginary friends miss a lot of what happens in the real world too.
"peers in law enforcement"
By Wiffleball
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 3:31pm
Probably because they haven't worked since the shopping mall closed.
lol
By berkleealum
Thu, 03/26/2020 - 8:07am
this from the dolt who constantly whines about the abundance of left-wing violence
Moulton may be a racist
By StillFromDorchester
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:05pm
But I dont see anything racist in this resolution.
Step outside your own racism
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:25pm
Maybe you will.
Then again, why stop there? We should officially refer to the 2009 H1N1 virus as the US Owned Hog Waste Lagoon NAFTA virus. Similarly, the 1918 outbreak will henceforth be known as the Shithole in Kansas Pandemic, and the 1996 hantavirus outbreak as America's Got Plague!
I could continue ...
Did you call me a racist?
By StillFromDorchester
Fri, 03/27/2020 - 10:28am
You are an unbearable doucherocket
I read the resolution and see nothing racist in it therefore I must be a racist?
F**k Off
Do they still teach the 5 W's of journalism?
By O-FISH-L
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:18pm
Racism? Just stop, please. China is the factual answer to at least three of the 5 W's of journalism in the virus origin story. Have we abandoned the truths of the 5 W's?
With these facts established, what is the real reason behind the media/left effort to intentionally mislead, protect China and brand truthtellers as racist? It's always amusing when white liberals make unauthorized declarations on behalf of oppressed groups even while most Chinese and Asian-Americans are furious with the Chinese government for lying. Just as the left is doing here. Is there any tangible evidence of an uptick of attacks on Asian-Americans when the streets are deserted? Life expectancy will surely increase thanks to the virus. Joe Biden is correct, a cure would be worse!
Trolling 101
By Gary C
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:10pm
Thanks for including that one tell-tale piece that let's us all know that you'd not an idiot, you're just joking.
Everybody knows where the virus originated
By adamg
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:11pm
Until you show me proof that China deliberately released this virus, however, it's pointless to "blame" them for anything. Unless you're willing to consider reparations for the descendants of people who died from the "Spanish" flu now that we know it started here (either in Kansas or right here in Massachusetts).
Moulton's proposed resolution will do nothing but escalate violence against Asian-Americans. Scapegoating has a long tradition in American and western tradition. Have we learned nothing?
Why is he so insistent on introducing this resolution? On the one hand, I shouldn't care, because, fortunately, he's not my representative. On the other hand, he's at best, helping Republicans further a racist campaign to divert attention from the real issues we have to deal with now: Where is the declaration to get more supplies to medical workers?
Well, at least the left has given up any basis for reparations
By O-FISH-L
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:34pm
Liberals should tread carefully in their zeal to hold Communist China blameless. Doesn't that undermine the call for slavery reparations in the US by validating the claim that no American alive today "intentionally" participated in the harm caused by slavery? Meanwhile the same Communist Chinese leaders who covered up the Wuhan virus are still alive and well but immediately deemed not reponsible by the US left. You can't make this stuff up!
Cover Up?
By BostonDog
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:46pm
China publicly disclosed the virus back in November 2019 and there where thousands of article printed about it and their efforts to save their own people.
Meanwhile, Trump does nothing to prepare America and claims it's not any worse than the flu.
Come March 2020 it becomes obvious that Trump's lack of preparation -- or even willingness to admit it's a serious illness -- is going to cost America trillions and tens of thousands of lives.
And yet you claim it's China that is covering things up?
Turn off Fox News and learn to read a fucking newspaper, you dope. The only cover up is the one the GOP is trying to pull to hide the fact they were completely unprepared for something hundreds of experts had been predicting was a possibility since December. Countries that prepared (South Korea, Norway) have been in much, much better shape.
In another six months, I'd
By Scratchie
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:14pm
In another six months, I'd say there's a good chance we'll be looking back and wishing that our government had behaved a lot more like the Communist Chinese government in terms of their reaction to this virus.
They did try to cover it up
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 7:38pm
Remember Li Wenliang? The doctor who was silenced for alerting people to the virus?
https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/08/opinions/coronaviru...
That said, no reason for Moulton to introduce this bill.
You're an idiot
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:19pm
You're a barking racist idiot. NO ONE manufactured this virus. NO ONE deliberately spread it. The Chinese government mishandled the crisis, like many governments, notably including your own idol the Bumbler in Chief Trump.
Getting through this is going to be hard enough. We will need every bit of community spirit we have. You are antithetical to that. You've never seen a dogwhistle that you didn't want to blow. You are the worst kind of muckraking intellectually dishonest shitposter. You are actively harmful to the common good. You are long past your sell-by date. Self-isolate and shut the fuck up.
Curious about Spanish flu origin
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 7:32pm
What I've read is that there really is no consensus where it originated, but that it spread rapidly, to a large extent due to WW1.
deliberate or not the are at least
By bostondriver
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 11:22pm
negligent!
PAY UP CHINA! We want Hong Kong back and we are taking Taiwan.
That's asshole tax bitches.
Where is Judge Judy?
Labs
By BostonDog
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:15pm
The suggestion that the virus was created in a biolab is a 100% lie and bullshit.
Wut?
By BostonDog
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:16pm
So to stop informally blaming China we should formally blame China?
Speaking as a Medford resident (the birthplace of Gypsy Moths and Mike Bloomberg) it's probably best we don't go around blaming other countries for the destructive things that inadvertently originated there.
And "Jingle Bells".
By jmeltzer
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:11pm
But at least Medford isn't responsible for "Little Drummer Boy". I think.
If anything, the resolution should blame US too
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:23pm
The resolution states it
"condemns China for making “multiple, serious mistakes” in its response to the new coronavirus, including the government downplaying the risks of the virus, censoring medical professionals and expelling journalists."
Trump expelled Chinese journalists, downplayed the risks, has and continues to make serious mistakes and has been censoring scientists during his whole presidency.
And nothing will make Trump less xenophobic, he's been getting caught making xenophobic and racist statements since him and pa got in trouble in the 70s and never stopped.
Hey, as a dill weed user
By jmeltzer
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:28pm
(it makes homemade rye bread tasty) I resent it being compared to Moulton.
I am really happy that
By WTC
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:50pm
I am really happy that "dillweed" may be coming back into the vernacular as a derogatory term.
Here are Moulton's own words
By adamg
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 1:44pm
In which he somehow thinks he can't blame Trump for anything without first blaming China.
So he's implying..
By bshep
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 5:12pm
.. that if the Chinese government had handled things differently on their end, Trump *wouldn't* have blamed the Democrats, attacked journalists, silenced experts and lied about the severity? When this has been his go-to response for just about every situation for the past four years? Honestly, this makes no sense at all.
Come on man...
By jorf
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 7:03pm
Look, I dislike Trump as much as most people on this blog but this whole post is just a massive stretch. I don't see how the first blame for all this falls to anyone BUT the CCP.
Yes, the Trump administration is grossly incompetent. It doesn't change the facts that the Chinese Communist Party completely screwed the globe by trying to cover it up in the first place.
Calling that reality out is not racist, even if some of the unfortunate reactions to CHINESE PEOPLE might be. And yes, Trump is obviously baiting people all over by injecting "China" into everything to distract from his own faults… but it's still entirely reasonable to place the majority of blame here on the Chinese Government, and then our own.
Moulton seems pretty reasonable here in calling out both.
I am not defending China but
By anon
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:03pm
I am not defending China but if they were so bad at keeping this virus under control then how come we now seem to have more people dying outside of China then inside a country with over a billion people in it?
I do not see the use in this resolution at this moment in time. It is like Mom and Dad bickering about who forgot to buy house insurance in the middle of the living room while the house burns down. I got news for you kiddos, grab the kids and get out of the damn house already. Plenty of time to bicker when the smoke clears.
Lets make sure in all of this
By Milwaukee Mike
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:05pm
Lets make sure in all of this to clarify what we mean by the words "China" and "Chinese." If you use these words in such a way that you're somehow blaming an ethnicity for the virus, you're an irredeemable asshole. If, on the other hand you are using these words as shorthand for the government of the People's Republic of China, fire away. The PRC is a bad actor on a global scale. They put religious minorities in camps, sell dissidents' organs, etc.--no love lost there. That government is, for want of a better word, creepy. Like, East-Germany-level creepy. They deserve all the bad PR they get and more. I don't judge the people of China for their bad government any more than I, as an American, wish to be judged for our own [cough, cough].
Besides, PRC media outlets (and at least some government officials from what I've read) have been busy spreading the baseless conspiracy theory that the virus was intentionally introduced/spread by the U.S. military. I have a hunch that sticks in Mr. Moulton's craw given his service record.
The PRC is totalitarian
By Daan
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:09pm
Just the former Soviet Union, possibly the new Soviet Union, aka Putin's Russia and for that matter the fascist states.
Absolute control and absolute power in a small number of hands is an evil no matter what the label.
Bad actor, but
By lbb
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:25pm
...this virus didn't come out of a lab. And to counter their bullshit by saying, "No, YOUR lab!" is harmful and stupid.
Agreed on that point. There
By Milwaukee Mike
Wed, 03/25/2020 - 2:51pm
Agreed on that point. There's enough for which to blame the PRC regime without having to resort to dog whistle conspiracy theories.
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