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Taking no chances: Prudential Center bracing for post-election looting and rioting
By adamg on Thu, 10/29/2020 - 9:45pm
Pru management sent a memo to tenants that they can expect to see boarded-up entrances, barriers and increased security starting today.
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Next time someone tells you
Next time someone tells you protesting doesn’t have any effect ...
But does it have a constructive effect?
Does it effect positive change? Boarded up buildings for fear of destruction and looting doesn't sound like successful protest result to me.
Haha depends on who you ask I
Haha depends on who you ask I guess
This IS constructive.
The entire city is aware of and making plans for a potentially devastating event that alters the trajectory of the country, possibly the world.
Our City and Business leaders are fully aware of the heightened feelings, worries, and needs of the constituents. So this is one of many contingencies in the event of mass protests from a fascist regime altering election results or in the event of lone wolf maga whackos causing chaos and panic at worldwide celebrations of the end of Cheetolini's short destructive reign.
Yes
Because of protests and boycotts, people of color are allowed to vote. Sixty years ago, it was not allowed. Because of protests, women are allowed many rights they previously weren't (we still have to protest a bit more, see you guys at the next Women's Day march). Teachers are are allowed to negotiate because of protests. Hell, ALL employees have some sort of leverage due to protests and boycotts. Our government and corporate entities are held accountable because of protests. Awareness is raised, conversations swept under the rug are brought to the forefront. Don't forget about the Boston Tea Party, that was a protest. So yes, they do what they're meant to do regardless of the cause hijackers.
Right, but they weren't the only way to have the needed affect.
During the heyday of the Civil Rights Movement, there were not just sit-ins. Many people from other parts of the United States, and of all races, ethnicities and denominations took buses down south in order to participate in helping people of color register to vote. People's lives were threatened and even lost during that time, as well as their being harassed, intimidated, and beat up, as a result.
Wow...sounds familiar
Is that not exactly what's happening now?
oh my god
will SOMEone think of the buildings?! *faints*
People work and earn a living
People work and earn a living in these buildings... you know to pay rent, buy groceries, buy medications, pay for health insurance. I guess that's trivial to you though; just a joke to you... working class people who work in retail and restaurants who have bills fo pay. What a myopic snob.
Yes, if you don't care about
Yes, if you don't care about black lives being equal you may see protesting as some kind of option, like choosing whether to go out to a restaurant tonight or to wait for another day.
Takes a lot of privilege to view racial injustice as non-urgent or essential. People of color don't have that option.
The proof? How often has the person you've seen complaining about recent protests been white?
You’re confusing protesting
You’re confusing protesting with looting and rioting.
Something tells me there will
Something tells me there will only be looting and riots if a certain candidate wins.
If Biden wins and there are
If Biden wins and there are riots in Red states will anyone be able to tell? They are dumps already.
So tolerant.
So tolerant.
Not my fault the least
Not my fault the least educated and poorest states are all red. That’s republicans fault.
Intolerant might not be the best way to describe you
I’m going with ignorant.
Still, happy you finally got over the 2016 election and accepted the results.
What isn't being tolerated in
What isn't being tolerated in the comment you are responding to? "Tolerant" seems to have become a buzzword that has lost its dictionary definition these days.
Newsflash...
the current president is already looting the country under the table. People are worried about Biden raising taxes to give to schools, healthcare and infastructure but Trump is already using that for weekly golf trips, back alley payoffs and a wall that won't last.
UNDER the table?
UNDER the table?
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Try "over the table". Read the public record expense reports.
Point
well made.
Worth pointing out that this
Worth pointing out that this is currently Donald Trumps America, we've lived it for four years so no need to speculate we already know the reality of his poor leadership.
Nothing says world class city
Like plywood and steel fences.
Trump Wins and People Have to Break Into Saks?
Seems logical to me.
let’s be clear
1) the constant knee-jerk valuation of property over people because you can’t imagine that maybe some people are experiencing something you can’t understand really says more about you than anything else at this point.
2) there’s no legal scenario where trump wins a majority of votes, electoral or otherwise, and republicans across the country know it. this is why we have “supreme court justice” brett kavanaugh lying about how states count votes. so yes, should trump remain president, people won’t be taking the theft of an election lying down.
Let's Be Clear
I have voted for Biden, Clinton, Obama, Clinton, Kerry, Sanders, Dukakis, Jackson, and Tsongas at one point or another. I even gave money to Jesse Jackson's 88 campaign even though I had $10 to my name.
Don't assume anything.
I just don't understand the logic of having to steal from a high end store if you are unhappy with an election result.
Go shutdown Logan. Block I-93 in Salem NH. Boycott lobster if Maine 2 goes to Trump. Stealing a Gucci bag doesn't change anything. Do real things that will effect change, not shit that makes you think you are part of the upper crust because you have a stolen $800 bag when you walk into Tj's.
You not understanding how to make national disruption but instead promote people stealing jeans proves that your Theory of Oboe education doesn't translate well into politics.
great job voting for dems
not sure how it relates to what i said.
also not sure what rock you live under if you think a) nobody does any of your Approved Protesting, b) that reactionaries don’t still complain about it when it happens.
By all means, we should protest that outcome
But a general strike would be a lot more effective and morally justifiable than violence and looting.
“morally justifiable”
is it “morally justifiable” when the state consistently breaks its social contract with its constituents? why do we expect order and not chaos when it does?
What Does The Social Contract Have to do With Purloining Uggs?
Just checking or did you have a different translation of Rosseau than I do?
your fixation on high value items
is quite telling. like 400 americans have accrued more than $100bn over the course of the pandemic and you’re worried about uggs.
yes, ideally nobody should steal anything. the point i’m trying to make is that we fixate almost exclusively on the poor people who resort to chaos in the face of an adversarial state and ruling class. what good does that do? what material harm is done to the walton family when one of their stores loses a few TVs?
Give Me Your Address
I'll be over Tuesday night to take your couch. My son needs one for his apartment come January. You are cool with that, right? Because, you know, the election and all.
lol
i see we’ve reached the “if you like it so much why don’t you marry it” part of the conversation
lol
You don't have a valid answer to my very valid point. You took the ha ha and walk away tact. Poor show lad.
your very valid point?
i think it’s extremely myopic to lay blame for the downfall of society at the feet the working class for stealing what amounts to a minuscule portion of overall wealth, ergo i have to be ok with you taking my couch, or something?
Sure Thing Ernesto
Always the self appointed Vanguard Elite striving for the lower classes. Get over yourself.
FYI I read that in Pee Wes’s
FYI I read that in Pee Wes’s voice. Thank you.
Strikes are legitimate ways to protest a bad outcome.
Strikes are a legitimate way to protest a bad outcome of something extremely important. Stealing, looting, rioting, setting fires, and preventing emergency vehicles, such as ambulances, fire engines and police cars from getting through to the hospital with a seriously ill or injured patient, the scene of a crime, such as robbery and/or assault, or to the scene of a fire, are not.
People don' t have to take the theft of an election lying down.
However, I don't think that taking that anger out on property and people's businesses, etc., is the way to go about it.
Theft?
So, are we going to assume that whoever is declared the winner of this election will have stolen it?
I guess this nation is going to hell in a handbasket when that is the assumption.
Context
We have one candidate shouting every day that the election is going to be stolen, because it looks like he's going to lose, and he's the ultimate sore loser. At the same time, his party is sparing no effort to actually steal it. So yes, you're going to hear people saying it was stolen, regardless of the result. One side will be lying, as they do.
Just remember one thing
Since January 20, 2017, he's been your President. And to the comment below this, I do believe we saw how accurate the polls were 4 years ago.
I see neither side trying to "steal" this election. I see politicking going on, and dangerous rhetoric to boot. Unlike a lot of people who visit this website, I will accept the result of this election, as I did the last election, as I have every election since I was conscious of Presidential elections.
Willfully ignorant
Then you're deliberately ignoring what's going on. Vote suppression by closing polling places, by impeding mail delivery, by blocking counting of on-time mailed votes. Voter intimidation by thugs. Constant whining by "my" president (tell him that!) about how the election is rigged against him. If you don't see those things, you've got your head in the sand, or somewhere.
look at the polls
there’s almost no legal way for donald trump to win this election, electoral college or otherwise. the numbers for biden at this point are far better than hillary’s at the same time in 2016. plus, and this sucks, but joe biden is not a woman.
look at the arguments being made by republicans in wisconsin and pennsylvania. votes postmarked before the election but arriving thereafter don’t count? is there anything else that works that way?
look at the rhetoric being thrown around by trump and amplified by his supreme court. how can counting legal votes “flip” an election?
i agree the country is headed to hell in a hand basket, but let’s not do the Both Sides thing.
Quick question
For the past 3 3/4 years, you've accepted that the guy who was sworn in on 1/20/17 was your President, right? If not, or if you know people who haven't, you've seen the "both sides" thing in action.
No one asked Hillary Clinton if she would accept a Trump victory, because that would have meant she would have to admit she could lose the election. Trump never should have been asked the question if the intent was to not ask his opponent. You know, the "both sides" thing.
what?
no one asked Hillary Clinton if she would accept a Trump victory because at the time she had never implied that she would challenge such a result. in fact, surely you remember that such a result was not even considered plausible at the time! the media began asking Trump the question in the run up to election day 2016 *because* he had begun to claim — baselessly — that the process was “rigged” against him.
it’s fine if you don’t keep up with the news, but it’s really not that hard to google all the times that Trump has said some variant of “we’ll see” when asked about whether he’ll accept the results of the election.
Well, in this city, it could
Well, in this city, it could be from rioting, or it could just be the building formerly known as the John Hancock Tower being brand new...
Seems prudent.
Seems prudent.
Doesn't this seem like an overreaction?
Kind of like the CVS in West Roxbury when they boarded up the windows a couple months ago. With the current instability in the general population, sure anything could happen. If Trump wins (I did just bite my tongue) a lot of people will be really sad, but not like "Let's start a riot!" If Biden wins there could be a "Sox win the World Series!" kind of jubilant crowd. Sometimes jerks turn that happiness into car-flipping BS that could warrant boarded up windows. I dunno, I just think it's taking a possible worst-case and running with it.
Is there a designated spot for a gathering to..
point fingers at and laugh uncontrollably at Shiva?
In front of any of his
In front of any of his remaining campaign signs. He'll be passing by to pick them up from yards eventually, right?
Are They Any Doug Bennett Signs Still Around?
There could be a wonderful collage of basic arts and crafts meets LaRouchite Write In pleadings.
Or the Shivabus
Is that still on Concord Ave near Fresh Pond?
Yes, it is. He ditched the
Yes, it is. He ditched the whole "I'm a REAL indian" platform and is now an "MIT PhD". OK, bud.
Signs supporting him are surprisingly plentiful in Western MA when I was over there about a week ago.
Looting<>Protesting
There are those who use turbulent times as cover for crimes. Those people are not protestors, they are criminals and opportunists. The Prudential Center is wise to take reasonable precautions against the possibility of criminal acts.
I tend to agree with that, KellyJMF.
Yet, not all protests end that way, nor do the troublemakers have to be in the majority to spoil a protest and make it unsafe for the people who are much more emotionally stable and self-controlled.
The best way to prevent people who are prone to law-breaking and criminal behavior is to have more organized protests, with security people (and I don't mean MAGA types, either), on hand to make sure that doesn't happen. Also, when protests occur, the people who organize such protests would do well to make the demonstrators move aside to allow emergency vehicles such as fire engines, ambulances, and police cars through, instead of forcing them to divert their routes and delaying their response time to serious illness/injury, a crime scene, especially assault or robbery, or a fire, because every second of every minute counts. For those who reject these arguments, I stand firmly by what I've said.
Deliberate conflation of words
protesting < > rioting/looting
immigrant < > illegal / undocumented immigrant
insurance < > healthcare
stock market < > economy
I'm sure there's more examples. But it's either ignorant, or deliberately misleading, if you use one word when you are talking about the other. This headline was about rioting/looting, and most of the comments are related to protesting. Why?