If it stays at this rate per day we will double the total number of Massachusetts cases from January 1 - December 1 in 42 days. That’s January 14, or 6 days before Joe Biden is inaugurated.
The hospitalization and death numbers seem to be steady or falling.
Is it making it's way through the population as expected and herd immunity kicking in? Hope so.
How does herd immunity lower death rates without lowering infection rates?
If you're postulating some kind of death-immunity that is distinct from infection-immunity, well, that would certainly change things. If that turns out to be the case, to hell with the Covid-19 vaccine; I want the vaccine that immunizes me against death.
New infections would not be occurring at the current rate if we had reached herd immunity. And there wouldn't be a massive effort underway to bring a vaccine to everyone ASAP if we had tragically reached herd immunity by natural means.
We're learning as we go and getting a tiny bit better at treating it.
The most vulnerable (at least those who are in the lucky position of being able to do so, for example by working safe white-collar work-from-home jobs) are doing a slightly better job of isolating and protecting themselves
The death rate lags the new case rate by weeks -- when we're on a steep upward curve the effect is significant
Even among those patients bound to die, we're getting better at putting it off a little longer, which makes the lag effect even more significant
We already infected over 50% of the most vulnerable population (nursing home residents) in Mass. There are just fewer extremely high-risk folks left to kill.
COVID is dangerous and serious but facts are facts. Being elderly and in poor health increases someone's risk of death from COVID but it's not a death warrant. Most people recover. Just not all of them.
Mortality also isn't falling, but it's not rising like the other metrics are. 200% of the lowest recorded value, but much lower than the last peak. That probably has something to do with the medical profession figuring out how to treat it. No consolation to the 49 deaths reported yesterday.
If herd immunity is achieved via a vaccine (i.e. without people actually contracting covid), then that is a success.
However, achieving herd immunity via people actually contracting covid would be the absolute worst case failure scenario. It means the maximum number of people would have gotten sick. I don't know why people keep throwing this version of herd immunity around like it would be a good thing.
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Damn that’s crazy! That’s
Damn that’s crazy! That’s less than .090% of the population of Massachusetts . Nuts
Per day, my dude
If it stays at this rate per day we will double the total number of Massachusetts cases from January 1 - December 1 in 42 days. That’s January 14, or 6 days before Joe Biden is inaugurated.
Nuts, huh?
Good point. Point taken.
Good point. Point taken.
You'd rather more people get
You'd rather more people get it?
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Silver lining?
The hospitalization and death numbers seem to be steady or falling.
Is it making it's way through the population as expected and herd immunity kicking in? Hope so.
Herd immunity?
How does herd immunity lower death rates without lowering infection rates?
If you're postulating some kind of death-immunity that is distinct from infection-immunity, well, that would certainly change things. If that turns out to be the case, to hell with the Covid-19 vaccine; I want the vaccine that immunizes me against death.
Herd immunity is only
Herd immunity is only achieved by reaching a certain threshold. We are nowhere near that number.
Threshold
Isn't it hard to say if it's been reached or not unless every person in Massachusetts is tested?
New infections would not be
New infections would not be occurring at the current rate if we had reached herd immunity. And there wouldn't be a massive effort underway to bring a vaccine to everyone ASAP if we had tragically reached herd immunity by natural means.
No
The infection rate is being monitored by testing sewage levels of the virus. Maybe you've been avoiding those stories because ew.
Please do some research before using terms that you don't know
I know you think you know what it means, but you clearly do not understand the epidemiologic dynamics that define herd immunity.
Please - just stop.
https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd....
More likely
More likely some combination of:
Also
We already infected over 50% of the most vulnerable population (nursing home residents) in Mass. There are just fewer extremely high-risk folks left to kill.
Even most high risk people recover
COVID is dangerous and serious but facts are facts. Being elderly and in poor health increases someone's risk of death from COVID but it's not a death warrant. Most people recover. Just not all of them.
Reinfections are very rare.
One tiny thing
The hospitalization numbers are rising.
Mortality also isn't falling, but it's not rising like the other metrics are. 200% of the lowest recorded value, but much lower than the last peak. That probably has something to do with the medical profession figuring out how to treat it. No consolation to the 49 deaths reported yesterday.
Yet
Hospitalization rate take off lags infection rates.
Deaths lag hospitalization rates.
Infections are being identified earlier now, too - usually before hospitalization.
People dying today are people who became infected three weeks ago and went into the hospital one to two weeks ago.
If herd immunity is achieved
If herd immunity is achieved via a vaccine (i.e. without people actually contracting covid), then that is a success.
However, achieving herd immunity via people actually contracting covid would be the absolute worst case failure scenario. It means the maximum number of people would have gotten sick. I don't know why people keep throwing this version of herd immunity around like it would be a good thing.