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New venture rents out battery-powered cargo bikes

Momentum introduces us to CargoB, a sort of Bluebikes-like bike-share service, only for people who have stuff to move around as they glide and pedal on their e-cargo bikes. Currently available in Jamaica Plain, Porter Square and Winter Hill.

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A double-wide, double-long bike that won't fit in a majority of the already impoverished number of bike racks in Boston.

The advertising images on their website proudly show the bikes spread out blocking sidewalk crossings and streets, which is exactly how their users are going to leave them parked in most cases, obstructing narrow Boston sidewalks and crowded entryways/exits to stores.

What could go wrong?

But it can't be all bad, I'm SURE that parents will make sure their kids are wearing helmets when they ride in the bucket, like how all Bluebikes riders wear helmets

/s

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I'm trying to understand the principles behind your complaints. It seems like they are:

1. Transportation vehicle of choice for some people is too large for our densely populated city;
2. Vehicle will be used irresponsibly by some so it should not be allowed by any;
3. Failure to use required safety devices by some mean the vehicle should be banned.

Follow-up question -- do these principles apply to sedans/SUVs/trucks, or just bicycles?

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With a Dodge Charger racing through the city streets or some SUV tearing up a desert environment.

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I may have written a grumpy comment this morning but doesn't change the fact these bikes are obnoxious and overly large on Boston sidewalks. And that's coming from a person who uses micromobility to get all around Boston and to do errands.

The point is not where the bike is stored when not in use, it's where the bike is stored when it's at the store or out and about town.

The instructional video on the website makes it clear people are supposed to use the provided chain the secure the bike at stores. Problem is:

1) The bikes do not articulate in the middle, which means they cannot be made shorter.

2) Many Boston bike racks, where they exist, have bikes jut perpendicularly into the sidewalk. Using one of those racks with this bike completely would completely block the sidewalk.

3) Other sidewalk-parallel racks could sort of work. But this thing starts to be as long as a compact car, likely obstructing other bike racks, or obstructing the curb.

More points against:

4) These things are POWERFUL - the hydraulic brakes clearly visible in the specs makes it obvious, if the fact that it's a giant cargo-hauling bike didn't also make it obvious. An unlicensed person cruising around in one of these things should get just as much scrutiny as all the food delivery mopeds that everyone loves to hate.

5) If a person wants to have a cargo bike, fine. Own one. Take responsibility for it. But having a rentable one that lets any yahoo say "oh well" when they park poorly or cause damage / injury due to their inability to pilot it is another matter entirely. Boston sidewalks aren't Chicago sidewalks or DC sidewalks. Every inch of obstruction makes a huge difference.

And yes, it's entirely appropriate to judge these kinds of devices more harshly when they are made publicly rentable, because the likelihood of seeing bad behavior with them skyrockets when it's just renters using them opposed to owners. And the shear likelihood that people renting them are also going to have inadequate safety equipment or carry passengers unsafely also skyrockets.

If a person think people should be able to rent these bikes. Then fine. Just accept that such a person needs to also not complain about food delivery mopeds on sidewalks and other overly powerful motorized vehicles operated by amateurs in pedestrian zones.

Not responding to arguments about cars /SUVs because that's just Trump-style "wuddaboutism" that is irrelevant to this conversation and the original comment.

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1. They aren't that much longer then a normal bike. Seriously.

2 & 3. I have a cargo bike and it doesn't block anything. You lock it parallel to cars, not sticking across the sidewalk. And anyway, these are going to be used at supermarkets that generally have more room anyway.

4. Hydraulic brakes are common on all new bikes above a certain price point. Cargo bikes don't move fast, even the electric ones. They are to bikes what Uhaul is to cars.

5. Are you opposed to rental cars and zipcar too? Why should someone buy a $5000 bike to use once a week when they can rent it for an hour or two and be done with it.

Cargo bikes are becoming common yet none of your complaints have been manifested. I don't like the electric mopeds that get called a "bike" but these cargo bikes are nothing like that. They are good for bringing 3-4 full bags of groceries to someone's apartment and maybe the cheaper bulk package of paper towels too. Things that are a PITA on a regular bike but great on a cargo bike.

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According to the article, these need to be left in designated parking spots, not just anywhere in the city like some of the failed bike share attempts.

I'm not a huge fan of standard ebikes but e-cargo bikes are different and really do solve a number of limitations for most people. E-cargo bikes are expensive and bulky so it's ideal for short term rentals.

I hope the program is a success and expands. There is also a big market for electric cargo bikes fitted with child carriers. Most of the cargo bikes I see are being used to bring children places.

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the complainers
just
gotta
complain.

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These bikes aren’t wider than the handlebars…

You don’t seriously think the promotional pic is how people are actually going to park it…do you? And it’s illegal for kids to ride without helmets in MA…it’s not illegal for adults.

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Help me!

I'm struggling here even with the "/s"

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Would you prefer they use a U-Haul that takes up valuable street-parking?

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This is a great idea for somewhere like Porter, where people may need something a little heftier to carry groceries or something purchased from the hardware store nearby. Glad to see it!

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No complaints about the cars everywhere taking up city owned streets for free in many locations. Or beautiful Jamaica Pond literally surrounded by moving and parked cars. Or on sidewalks, in crosswalks at every intersection, or at T stations, Police stations, bike paths.

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with your point, but (gas powered) cars don’t use the streets for free. They pay for the streets thru hefty gasoline taxes. And the people own the streets, not the city.

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It is motor vehicles and gasoline which are heavily subsidized by our property taxes, which also fund the roads. More people riding bikes means less wear and tear on the roadways, which means less money spent repairing them. Also, means there are fewer motor vehicles for you to compete with at rush hour.

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Gas
Taxes
Pay
For
Our
Roads.

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Gas taxes pay for about half the cost of all our roads. General taxes paid for by EVERYONE pays the rest.
https://frontiergroup.org/resources/who-pays-roads/

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Yesterday they were using the protected bike lane as their own personal loading zone for some band, blocked off with an officially labeled PARADISE ROCK CLUB cone.

Forklift and all loading into a legally parked truck but all the band equipment was piled up in the bike lane and on the sidewalk. Most of the workers standing around waiting for the forklift to do its thing. An employee was sitting at the cone and directing cyclists onto the sidewalk (illegal but whatever right?).

Although its not very easy to lift a cargo bike over the curb, so certainly a dick move by the business and band members. And as noted by various online pictures, its not just bikes using these lanes, sometimes there are people in mobility scooters/powered wheelchairs using this space. Again, dick move.

Never occurred to anyone that they could just keep the equipment on the sidewalk, move across the lane one at a time after each forklift lift was done and just look both ways before hand. Bike lane stays unblocked and they move along with their work, everyone wins.

But yeah, cyclists are entitled or something.

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I don't own a car and needed to pick up a rug in Brookline. Rather than get a Zipcar, I rented a CargoB from the JP location, strapped the rug in, grabbed a case of wine from TJ's on the way home, and had a nice ride along the Muddy River. Same price as the zipcar and so much more enjoyable!

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How hard is it to adjust to riding a motorized cargo bike if you’ve only ridden bicycles? They’re certainly more massive and have a different steering linkage, (and turning radius?) most drivers and bike operators behave civilly, but it’s the those deficient in morals, ethics and civics who make an impression.

This strikes me as a very bad idea and yet another example of politicians pandering when they should be responsible leaders.

Before the first bike lane was painted in any motorway it was known that perfect enforcement of vehicles blocking bike lanes would strangle the commerce and stifle civic life. Bike lanes save lives. I am grateful for them, but I know it would require “Big Dig” dollars and eminent domain dispossession to make bike lanes inviolable.

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The weight is low to the ground so they are stable, more so than a traditional bike. But they aren't fast, even with the motor. If you're accustomed to riding a traditional bike, the hardest thing about the cargo bike is just how slow it moves in comparison.

It's pretty common to see cargo bikes with 1-2 kids in the wealthier neighborhoods. (The bikes are expensive and basically require a garage for storage.) The people riding them are average parents, not body builders or bike racers.

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The Big Dig cost $24.3 billion.

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If you can ride a bike you can get used to an e-cargo bike in a couple minutes.

This isn't "politicians pandering"--it's a couple entrepreneurs offering a transportation service not currently available.

No eminent domain is needed to reclaim some portion of our rights-of-way from automobiles for human powered vehicles. The city already owns the streets! The question is how we use them.

It won't take tens of billions of dollars to create safe bike infrastructure. It takes political will.

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The current stable situation that results in tension between cars and bikes may the best fit.

I don’t know what those things are that pols need to apply their will to to better segregate bikes from cars specifically the requirement to temporarily obstruct the bike lane. I’m sure there are some ideas that city planners have in mind. I’m not much bothered by minor inconveniences when biking. What do bike lanes need to to function better? (That’s a question, not bitchiness. I reread that line and it looked like I hade a tone. No tone intended. ) Maybe something dynamic and adaptable in realtime. Definitely the twain between road users must never meet energetically. No one should be maimed or killed on city streets.

Loading zones need to be close enough to be safe and humane for the deliverymen and women carrying the staples of our lives. Vulnerable populations: the elderly, injured and less abled and handicapped people, pregnant women, people dropping off kids all need to pull over at their destination and block the bike lane and not park blocks away. It’s not great, but it’s essential.

What’s going to be prohibitively costly is almost entirely redesigning cities to function and make everybody happy all the time.

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Great idea! From a person who has been riding this way for years! At first I was dubious about the new bike infrastructure being implemented, but now it seems to be working fine. This new service will certanly help more people use the new lanes.

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Not sure the enterprise is designed to “succeed” in the viability sense. The only success will be for the associated entrepreneurs and pols who get a lift from trying this scheme at the expense of people at large negatively affected by this… unless there is a huge debacle and injuries, but ya gotta roll the dice. (Metaphorically speaking. I don’t believe the state should sanction, or enable gambling, including the lottery. The state should not be in the exploitation business. )

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This is the piece a lot of people need to get rid of the car and just have a bike. Buy a table at the thrift store? Rent the bike and haul it!

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And do you think the 46,000 people who die in auto crashes each year were "gambling" when they got in the car?

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Fair. (Probability pervades everything.) Passenger trucks are scary as a pedestrian. We are lowering street speeds to less frequently lethal velocities in non-highway environments. right hook is problematic.

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If the company and munis can’t corral these rickshaws at both ends of the journey then there will be much inconvenience and possible injury. I hope it all works out, but I feel like this is all a stunt. Ok, stunt may be unfair and certainly pessimistic. I didn’t do homework on this and I don’t know the elements of their “success vision.” Even if it doesn’t work we’ll all learn something for a future success.

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Do you end up with a wet-ass bike seat?

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which is pretty easy because the seats are not made of fabric.

Most people aren't going to use the cargo bike in the rain anyhow, and the seats dry very quickly, so this seems like the smallest possible problem.

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Those who actually ride bikes know how to deal with this (plastic bag tied around when the bike is left outside, for example).

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