City to drop bus/truck lanes on Summer Street in South Boston; they didn't much improve bus service and motorists kept using them anyway
The Boston Transportation Department reports the dedicated bus/truck lanes on Summer Street in South Boston failed and so it's going to eliminate them and return the road to its basic configuration of two general travel lanes in each direction.
Dedicated bike lanes and longer pedestrian-crossing times, however, will remain in place, the department says.
In its report on the dedicated-lane pilot, the department says the lanes resulted in only "marginal improvement" to bus service - because there are not currently enough buses to make it worthwhile and because disgruntled motorists kept using the dedicated lane, which had only paint on asphalt, not barriers, further slowing the buses that did use the lanes.
The biggest challenge with the pilot were the violations of the dedicated bus/truck lane, with drivers frequently using the exclusive lane to bypass traffic at busy intersections and at peak times.
The pilot demonstrated positive safety benefits for pedestrians, cyclists and drivers with limited negative impacts to general traffic. The temporary materials used for the bus lane, lack of enforcement, and increased signal delay at key intersections resulted in no clear benefit to bus riders.
The department says the lanes could one day return, however:
With additional transit service coming to Summer Street as part of the MBTA Bus Network Redesign, refining the corridor cross-section and bus/truck lane design to further reduce transit and truck travel times and address operational challenges remains a priority.
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Good
Bus lanes with zero enforcement means the cheaters win and public transportation users lose.
BTD doesn't even respond to 311 reports with people reporting cars PARKED for long periods of time in bus lanes, so there is no chance they are going to enforce people simply driving in them.
Another poor planning decision by the government, wasting resources to build something they don't even pretend to enforce.
You get what you enforce: nothing.
BTD doesn’t enforce driving/moving violations.
That would be the Boston Police.
Who also
don't enforce traffic violations
Axxxxxyoually
They don’t enforce shit either
Of course if they did enforce....
Many of the same people would be bitching about THAT.
Excellent news
Now let’s recomsider some other bike lanes, especially in Cambridge.
Or how about we fine, tow and
Or how about we fine, tow and imprison criminals who drive and park in bus lanes? If you are against this then you are against the laws and should screw off to Somalia or Texas or some other lawless wasteland.
Kinipio
When people like you exist, others will legislate against whatever you want......
I'm a biker. Go away.
I’m a biker.
Kinopio makes more excellent points than not.
People are mostly not so dumb or robotic as to tell their legislators to look up Kinopio and legislate against anything Kinopio says.
You don’t like their posts?
Don’t read them. Or give good reasons why you don’t.
This forum does not exist to please you only.
"Imprison criminals" ?
Please cite which criminal offenses you are talking about. Parking offenses are not criminal. There are fines, but not jail sentences.
You won't because you can't , you fraud.
Okay.
Boston Transportation Dept, get right on that PRONTISSIMO!
They're reconsidering the bus
They're reconsidering the bus lane. That you read "bus" and your mind saw "bike" is fascinating; you may have just snitched on yourself. The announcement explicitly states that the bike lanes are staying.
Enforcement
Paint isn't magic. You can't rely on the general population to see a red lane and read the words on it, then think to themselves, "oh I shouldn't drive my personal automobile here." They make this lane designation and then walk away. And no, having cops making >150k per year (before overtime) sitting there writing tickets isn't a great idea either.
This is always the pattern. Those in charge say, "there, I did it," and there's zero actual commitment to solving the problem, whether it's bus lanes, maintaining infrastructure, or whatever. So often there's one competent person driving improvement and as soon as they walk away everything collapses.
So wrong
Yes, it is.
First, the average Boston cop makes $77k ($90k all told). And just like their excuses for needing to get OT and watch YouTube at every construction site...they aren't just there writing tickets...they're watching for other crime...and ready to assist if something goes down nearby, etc. And if you're skipping the law that says "stay out of the red paint" then you might just be skipping bigger ones too that they can catch when they approach the vehicle.
AND it doesn't take months to get people used to the idea that driving in the bus lane is going to get you a world of pain at which point enforcement can be reduced to spot checks to continue keeping people honest. But you know what encourages even people who might otherwise stay out of the paint to drive in the bus lane? ZERO enforcement.
Sitting in a single lane...knowing your turn is "only 2 blocks up" while watching countless people get zero repercussions for driving the entire length of the bus lane...it grinds on your lizard brain that says "just do it, you moron, why should you be the only one to suffer when you could easily just use it for an extra block or two since you're turning anyways, right?".
average Boston cop makes $77k
That sounds like the starting salary for an officer. After 5 years on the job, salary is much higher.
you only need to hard enforce for a few months also
Visited SF in the early 2000s and was shocked at how no parking at bus stops, buses being allowed into traffic, etc weren't a problem there and asked around. Apparently they went hard on drivers with ticket enforcement, high fines, and towing. Word gets around fast. Needed here (along with double parking)
California is also fairly
California is also fairly stern against offenses that wouldn't even draw a shrug here- like jaywalking
Down below
Mentions cameras. That's sustainable enforcement. Thanks for totally understanding the main point by going on about salary. I'm all for bus lanes, but it's that plus *sustained* enforcement that makes people get used to it.
Regular cops...
don't make 150K a year before OT or details. Avg is about 92K
Or...
How about speaker-for-life Ron Mariano get off his ass and actually pass a bill to legalize cameras on buses so we can ticket cars driving in bus lanes?
Oh, sorry, that hack can't even be bothered to act while private equity is literally destroying local hospitals. Maybe we need to add language to the legislation allow gambling on the number of bus lane offenders per day, then he'd pass it for sure.
No thanks
While I’m fine with the idea of using cameras to ticket bus lanes. I am totally opposed to the reality of using cameras to enforce anything. If a law for just bus lane enforcement was written it would take no time for that law to be amended to add more things. The next thing you know it’s for everything and everywhere. And before anyone says “well don’t do anything illegal” think about your day and any minor infractions you may take part in. 26 mph in a 25, no blinker (no one next or close to you), jaywalking, double parking with hazards on- you get the gist that even the best Samaritan bends a law here and there. So I’m part of the bend the laws if you chose but if you get caught you deal with the repercussions not never step out of line because big brother will know and mail you a ticket.
The trick is to give people the illusion someone could be watching. So you hammer the area with police for a few weeks then you can back off. If people think there is a chance you will get pulled over they tend to not risk it.
Beacon Hill Takes Decades to Do Literally Anything.
This is Beacon Hill we're talking about. If they actually pass one beneficial law it's a cause for celebration. There's no need to get all conspiratorial about a slippery slope situation, because they're not competent enough to pull it off even if they wanted to.
(Although I'm all for red light cameras too).
It works in Virginia
My buddy paid right up once the authorities posted a big orange sticker on his front door for all the neighbors to see.
Haha! That’s a motivation.
It’s worked for decades in some European countries. I had to laugh at the one my German friend got years ago with the pic of him driving but the passenger areas blacked out. Done, he said, to protect spouses having affairs.
WTF
WHOSE FUCKING FAULT IS THAT, BTD?
If one city agency (BTD) can't get another city agency (BPD) to enforce the easiest fucking moving violations in the entire world (one cop standing in the lane just pointing to the curb while another 1-2 write up tickets!), then what hope is there for the rest of us?
I mean, imagine if the North End restaurants just started putting out patio furniture in the street and slinging pasta and pizza and BFD didn't even phone up ISD. They just sent in a report to City Hall... "oh, sorry, we couldn't get to any fires this month because the road is pedestrianized now due to lack of enforcement, so we're just gonna close Engine 8 Ladder 1 on Hanover St...fun while it lasted. Thanks, all!".
Like what the actual fuck is going on!?
Edit - whoopsies didn't mean to make these comments
N/t, applies to the next two as well
Whoopsies...
Totally didn't mean to write anything here.
Whoopsies...
Totally didn't mean to write anything here...
I know, right?
I drove down there last night for the first time in a while. Oh, there's a bus lane - okay, I'll move over.
It didn't make any difference using the proper lane as the bus lane was full of ... buses!
I don't understand why drivers think this is so hard to do - it simply isn't. Then again, I don't think my time management issues are anything but my own to solve, or that any scrap of paved anything has to be available for my special car.
Just like many drivers on our local facebook and nextdoor feeds say that it is "too hard" to stay in their lane between the lines or park properly. If these things are difficult for you, consider not driving or taking an AAA or AARP refresher.
May also be time to make drivers pass online refresher courses to renew (training modules), and screen with simulators every 10 years. There are no excuses for this shitty level of skills and knowledge and entitlement. We need to demand better than a crackerjack box prize for parallel parking at 17 and nothing more.
BTD can't even get THEMSELVES to enforce parking in the bus lane
10 cars a day or more parked in the bus lane near me, but BTD only tickets once a month at best. If I see cars actually driving in the bus lane, I know it's a good day, because that means it's not full of parked cars.
Frequency and speed are linked
I think it's a bit of a disconnect between the city and the state (mbta) where one is asking for frequency to get the political will to push for bus lanes (speed)* and the other needs faster roadway speeds to offer effective frequency on a finite budget.
Slower speeds today mean fewer, less reliable, trips. Especially as speed/traffic further develops.
The city isn't exactly on the hook for the mbta spending resources or money so they don't seem to have a direct vested interest in making it operate well. They can always point at the frequency as a rationale to not invest in transit priority.
And now we are stuck in this doom loop where traffic is deteriorating bus service, and everyone expects the state to foot the bill on adding more service to compensate - but the reality is bus resources have real limitations, like roadway speed.
Bus service is going to be a clear loser until an arraignment is made that gives the city a better incentive to invest in prioritizing bus speeds.
The mbta is not blameless on this one either. Faster roadway speeds should result in more than quicker trips, they should also result in additional service on the same corridor. This helps incentivize the city to boost speeds as it increases/preserves the frequency as well.
This may be a function of a "resource guarantee" by the mbta at a "planned" speed, suggesting a potential frequency based on a permanently fixed amount of resources, provided the stakeholders on the ground can help make the bus move that quickly.
But as is, everyone gets to point fingers and no one wins...
*Also side thought, the relevant political stakeholders really don't seem to give af about improving public transit speeds at all. So it's like improving a turd to them and I'm not sure any amount of service is going to get them to stop grumbling about whatever.
Looks like the anti bike lane
Looks like the anti bike lane anti bus lane crowd will have something to be happy about well done
Um
The bike lane will remain.
At the end of the day, the bike lobby is much stronger than the bus lobby.
bad design.
The design of these particular bus lanes was not good. I say this as a daily bus rider who has had a lot of time to observe these lanes from the good old #7.
One big problem is the intersection at the corner of Summer & Pappas. This intersection is impacted by the large trucks that do business at the Port. Specifically, heading west, the trucks try to get turn left onto Fargo St, which is not managed by a light. There is very little space after passing through the Summer and Pappas intersection before getting to th left turn onto Fargo St; the trucks then back up traffic in the non-bus lane. Sometimes, that light can change half a dozen times before you can get through unless you get into the bike lane to get around the trucks.
Another big problem, this time heading east, is the intersection at Summer and D. The left turn lane into the Seaport is quite short and often backs up the non-bus lane traffic all the way back through the intersection at WTC Ave (the road to the Seaport Hotel). Similar situation - the the light can change half a dozen times unless you go into the bus lane.
This is exactly…
…the same problem on Huntington between Tremont and Longwood heading east. The light at Longwood gets gridlocked and sometimes only 1 or 2 cars get through from the left turn lane, which backs up all the way to Brigham Circle. If cars didn’t use the bus lane it would back up to Brookline.
Drivers can take the hint with the back up.
Lose the car and use the bus lane legally and ethically as a bus passenger. We need to show the MBTA that we want bus lanes by crowding buses and demanding better service.
It takes both the public and the T to push for this.
Some drivers just have unrealistic expectations of non stop travel at high speeds. They need to budget their travel time better.
I guess that’s been said a thousand times already but sometimes it take a while to sink in with some people. Even the hard headed egotistical ones. Your car is not your friend. It’s a parasite.
I’m all for more transit
But bad design is not the way to do it.
As they should consider for
As they should consider for the rest of the city. Total waste of time and money. Purposely generating traffic, to force people to take their unreliable T system.
"purposefully generating traffic"
No, that's your driving doing that.
Foolish
This is a foolish comment.
I don't think the privileged few realize that only the most privileged people can afford to live in an area with frequent reliable transit.
I live in Hyde Park because its what I can afford and I have an old car from my dad.
If i could live in a trendy neighborhood with subway service and reliable bus service I would but I can't so I have to drive. On UHub and Reddit that makes me a war criminal. Basically because I'm poor.
And yet ...
We are seeing attacks on bike lanes, cycling and e-bikes in the area (looking at you, Malden and Everett) because the poor are using them to get around the limitations of the MBTA - which has always been unrealiable for those who have to start and end their workdays outside of operating hours.
Because nothing says privilege like using a $100 or $200 craigslist find to get around (or maybe investing a couple hundred more in a Bafang motor for it). And maybe costs $50 a year to keep up.
Sure thing.
Maybe add up what you spend on that old gift car and compare that to even using a bike just during the nicer months of the year? My son's used car came from Roslindale because the previous owner did her math and switched to a bike.
Think outside the box.
Please get off that soapbox.
Not everyone can bike.
Not every route is bikeable like most were years ago despite the great new bike lanes and new laws. The players have become more numerous and far more deadly in areas that were not so in the past.
That doesn’t mean there are other options. Carpooling, splitting travel between modes, better time management are some.
I keep hearing new ones I’d never have come up with myself.
I’d Ike to hear more of them.
I work in raynham; kid in pre-k in Roxbury
I'm supposed to bike from Raynham to Roxbury? Daily? With my 4 year old?
And forgo a free car?
You are not poor.
You are housed and own a car and fill it with expensive gas and pay expensive insurance on something you think will sustain your lifestyle forever.
Poor is not housed or in danger of homelessness. Poor is walking, riding a bike, taking the T, carpooling, managing your time so that you don’t get so poor you sink lower.
You fear getting poor. A very reasonable fear for anyone. But you are not poor when you are actually low income/few assets and on the edge of poor and the edge of improving financial security.
Claiming to be so doesn’t help you or anyone.
Please stop crying poor and look at other travel options. It takes skills to do so so seek help with it if you’re not the organized or informed type. You aren’t getting any younger and options seem to shrink every year.
Best of luck to you. Sincerely.
Work In raynham; kid in (free) daycare in roxbury
I'm supposed to bike from Raynham to Roxbury? 33 miles each way? Daily? With my 4 year old?
And forgo a free car? Because I'm so privileged that i dont need it?
I don't think I can take life advice from UHub if what you're telling me is to bike 66 miles a day in order to have a lifestyle you think is cool.
Also poor is not the same as housing insecure; which I'd say I am anyways. I rent.
You are confusing me with another poster ..
… who stands on a soapbox and will tell you everything you didn’t know about who you are.
You are correct about what is poor. There are different perceptions of what is poverty. Working class rents. But you can be both poor and working class. Or rent and be anything.
Good luck.
The old expression, . . .
"Born on third base, thought they hit a triple."
The privileged often cannot recognize the privilege.
I wish Hyde Park were better
I wish Hyde Park were better served by public transit.
It is currently served by two commuter rail lines and at least half a dozen buses. It is not a total transit wasteland.
Driving in Boston is a choice.
This type of smug arrogance
Is probably why you'll be in the perpetual minority in Boston. The general Bsoton attitude is that if something is really hard and cumbersome people should just swallow it and do it anyway and rather than make things easier and more practical its ‘do this or move’. 64-% of peoplek in Bsoton drive because its not as easy to not drive like it is in NYC or other European and Asian cities. Not because we're pricks.
Commuter Rail dreadful and the bus? Itd take me literally an hour to get to Quincy on the bus. I don't have that type of time.
It was easy not to drive when I was a teen and wasn't responsible for meeting with family, transport and incoome generation.
Again I'd love to live where its be practical to afford a car as a mobile, single, childless professional without family in the area to help take care of. But that's not my life.
I'm not gonna make negative an adverse choices that would impact the people I love and my bottom line so as to appease people who id never talk to IRL.
You have free childcare and a "free" car
And you want thousands of people using transit to have delayed commutes because you mistakenly believe that these people are in your way and you want your driving to be subsidized by their time, too?
Who is smug and arrogant?
When they write, “The Summer
When they write, “The Summer Street Pilot successfully encouraged more people to bike, providing a better bike connection between South Boston and Downtown” do they mean more people are biking on that specific route, or more aggregate people are biking in Boston? I.e., did the bike/bus/(truck?) lane empirically and significantly get people to bike who otherwise wouldna?
Should they have written, The Summer Street Pilot successfully encouraged more people to bike on Summer Street…?”
It’s about words and truth and my antipathy towards “spin” and “rightspeak.”
I don’t take extreme views on bike lanes. I trust the reports of data that they save lives. I spent thirty years without incident biking without bikelanes and my heart trembles whenever loved ones are biking. My heart trembles when I see people biking on the roads. (The only bike accident I saw was an old guy getting knocked unconscious on Minuteman storm washout in Arlington, but I see the white bikes and mourn. My friend’s co-worker’s husband got killed on a road in Lexington thirty years ago and my EMT instructor (took a class for shits and giggles) described a guy’s kidney still attached to his severed leg, so it’s no joke. ) Anything to calm and simplify the roads is great. I assert that perfect enforcement is anathema to the functioning of civic life, keeping shelves stocked, dropping off elderly, handicapped, pregnant ladies and whatnot. We all gotta get along.
Can you please explain in one
Can you please explain in one sentence what your point is in the last paragraph? It seems like a lot of words to say "there are good people on both sides" without taking a side yourself, which doesn't really add anything to the discussion.
The best I can understand this AI word salad is that you dont think laws should be enforced because if we do, our grocery stores shelves will be bare and, pregnant ladies something something, you know.
This isn't "a discussion"...
it's a comment board. People aren't obligated to post a comment that meets your binary standard of one way or another on a topic. People don't have to reach final conclusions about subjective issues based on one article, although you are certainly free to do that if you so choose.
The more comments of Frelmont
The more comments of Frelmont's I read the more convinced I am that they are written by a bot.
Maybe
Occasionally when you respond to them, they'll come back with, "hey, that's not nice, why did you say that?" but I'm in the court of "it's a bot that's advanced, but needs a lot of improvement; they spout word salads that need firming up."
Kudos to you for trying.
Your points are well taken.
Now just scroll on when you haven’t the time or patience.
I can no longer read any that are more than paragraph or are all about self reflection. But I still read the short ones. Its a benefit and useful to be able to triage posts to suit personal tastes.
Hope this was helpful.
More people on that route
The city and state use counters to evaluate usage by all modes.
Circular logic in the report
They say the frequency of the #7 bus makes it not necessary when this is exactly the problem with the #7 bus! People queue up for longer than their trip to get onto the bus in S. Boston. Make it more frequent! More people will take the bus if it's reliable.
Exactly.
Just like build the bike lanes and people will use them proved true, put more buses out in the lanes and people will fill them up.
They already do actually, if they can even get on the buses that are rolling already.
Flip flop
and I don’t mean footwear. Wu makes divisive decisions on every policy she created then when the shit hits the fan she changes policy.
"divisive" lol
Ah yes, "divisive", another word that low-vocabulary people learned to parrot since the dawn of the Trump era. How in any way is this "divisive"?
Sad day, Mayor Wu surrendered
Sad day, Mayor Wu surrendered.
She is letting criminal, lazy
She is letting criminal, lazy, selfish, obese drivers win. This isn’t the platform she ran on.
Move to Somalia? Criminal lazy obese?
Based on this comment, and the other comment telling people who disagree with you they need to move to Somalia, I suggest you seek help. This is not an internet troll suggestion. This is from one human to another.
If the presence or lack of presence of a bike lane or bus lane triggers you that much, that's unhealthy and harmful to your own well being. That much anger over this issue is troubling.
anons are human?
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If you come across a vehicle
If you come across a vehicle in a bus, bike or fire hydrant spot do everything you can to not fall into it key first. But if you have to break your fall on their suv key first then don’t feel bad about the vehicle of a criminal. People are more valuable than cars no matter what local governments say. Save yourself before saving the illegally parked vehicle.
LOL!
I trip a lot keys in hand. But now I will be careful to hold them in a safer position.
Yesterday I had to lean against a car parked in the crosswalk on St James at Dartmouth near the farmers market. I lost a small handful of delicate delicious organic local grapes. But fortunately the door handle was there to catch their remnants and prevent them from landing on the curb cut where a driver on foot might have slipped and fallen.
Cars are real lifesavers!!
This was a study.
Needs an immediate after study to see how going back to the bad old ways affects traffic.
Some people learned better driving habits during this study. May they hold on to them for a bit while the city gets things right and reinstalls the bus lanes. Perhaps with some improvements like Tim suggested.
Good-the MBTA and the city need to do better
This whole install bus lanes but then don't increase service thing is beyond annoying.
It makes the bus lanes look like something they're doing for bragging right among their peers in other major cities. Just to say they're doing it.
If you're not going to increase frequency a bunch (they haven't with the busses traveling through Egleston) then don't make a bus lane. You're not incentivizing people to take the bus more. You're just stoking opposition toward bus lanes.
Boston is great at half step measures to being a grown up mature city. Clearly they're not ready to enforce the laws or provide the busses to make it work. Its more than dismaying that the new Blue Hill Avenue bus lane plans make no mention of a significant increase in frequency.
Well said.
Half measures seems to stem from clashing territorial agencies. This is out of control in Boston. So many egos. Like UHub. Lol.
I’ll just keep griping myself. And reading posts Ike this so I’m better prepared in real life advocacy.
One little problem
The city owns the streets and can create bus lanes. They don't own the buses and they can't create more service.
Victory is ours. Glad to be
Victory is ours. Glad to be one of the hero’s that ignored those foolish lines and signs. A little civil disobedience can go a long way.
Pretty telling to announce yourself as a hero.
I’ll keep up the “jaywalking” slash taking back the streets as well as standing in bus lanes at bus stops to help drivers get to the curb for the disabled folk and those who aren’t yet disabled and who want to stay this way.
But I won’t call myself a hero and no one else will while I block you and your territorial instincts gone haywire due to lardass to brain syndrome.
lol
If that's your notion of civil disobedience, no wonder you spell it "hero's".
Magoo sez
Magoo ‘members a time when Magoo and Magoo’s hooman folk all got along nicely. For Magoo is the Man from Earth and Magoo has been here for longer than time can ‘member. Magoo.
I travel Summer Street daily
I can tell you for a fact that very few cyclist use the bike lanes here and the City’s own survey figures also support that.