they've had years to negotiate a deal but no. the relationship between the union and the mayor is toxic. the union gears up the rhetoric at election time.
It's unfortunate that they haven't been able to negotiate a deal in years and that the relationship between City Hall and the union is "toxic".
After the ridiculous "brownouts" enforced by the mayor this past summer, I'm curious to see what the firefighters have to say.
Welcome to UHUB Mr. P Oliticsfix as of 12:54PM today.
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I don't see how getting out their side of the story is preying on the taxpayers. The taxpayers will make up their own minds based on the facts. Up to this point it does seem that Menino has been able to control the dialogue. I'm interested to see what they have to say. Something tells me we haven't heard the whole story yet. But we'll see...
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It felt like something was missing, maybe it was the presentation not being enough to confuse me from the truth. They should have bought One-to-One at the Apple Store to help give their video a little more 'pop'.
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As a Boston Firefighter, I can assure you we sympathize with your frustration over drug and alcohol testing. We too want to ensure our safety, the safety of our brother and sister firefighters and the citizens we are sworn to protect. Our job is dangerous enough without the added burden of someone with a substance abuse problem.
Our Union established the web site firefightthesmears.com (the advertisement for which you have seen on the web) as a way to get the rest of the story to the public. Until now, most media coverage has been one sided.
Here are some facts you may find interesting:
We have a drug testing policy.
Our current policy has been in place longer than Mayor Menino has been Mayor. Supervisors can have a firefighter drug tested at their discretion for mere suspicious of use or being under the influence. We also boast one of the most successful Employee Assistance Programs (EAP). This program staff is tasked with grief counseling for firefighters and family members, as well as with substance abuse and help with stress and stress management. Our program has been so successful that it has been mirrored by other Fire Departments and major employers in the private sector.
The Mayor and his staff of negotiators, want to change the current policy. That is fine. However, according to our contract, "any change in working conditions must be negotiated." What that means is: we have the opportunity to sit down and work out the details of the change. For example: is the Cities intent to make it all punitive, or will there be an opportunity for treatment upon a positive test. Who will conduct the new tests, under what conditions (lowest bidder)? What about false positives. All fair questions, none of which the Menino administration wants to discuss.
It should be noted that our collective bargained rights, work in both directions.
For example, take our current contract language about vacations: we are assigned our vacations by the Chief. We don't get to decide when we want to go on vacation. In January a calendar comes out with our vacations on it. That is when we go on vacation. That policy is a working condition. If we want to change the way that policy is executed, so we may go on vacation when WE want to, we would have to sit down and negotiate the change.
I hope this information has helped to understand that much of the issues we wish to address require lengthy answers, not five second sound bites the media likes to throw out such as, "firefighter refuse drug testing."
In the coming days there will be more information available to you and other readers on our new web site. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Adam,
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Comments
"or something" is right.
By Anonymous
Wed, 09/02/2009 - 3:29pm
they've had years to negotiate a deal but no. the relationship between the union and the mayor is toxic. the union gears up the rhetoric at election time.
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Interesting
By politicsfix
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 2:07pm
It's unfortunate that they haven't been able to negotiate a deal in years and that the relationship between City Hall and the union is "toxic".
After the ridiculous "brownouts" enforced by the mayor this past summer, I'm curious to see what the firefighters have to say.
Welcome to UHUB Mr. P
By Anonymous
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 9:55pm
Welcome to UHUB Mr. P Oliticsfix as of 12:54PM today.
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Thank you
By politicsfix
Fri, 09/04/2009 - 3:47pm
Nice gesture, Anonymous
Wow...
By anon
Wed, 09/02/2009 - 4:20pm
Says a lot about our society when a union is using a website to prey on the taxpayers and seemingly extort money. Sad
Huh?
By Civics101
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 1:12pm
I don't see how getting out their side of the story is preying on the taxpayers. The taxpayers will make up their own minds based on the facts. Up to this point it does seem that Menino has been able to control the dialogue. I'm interested to see what they have to say. Something tells me we haven't heard the whole story yet. But we'll see...
Welcome to UHUB
By Anonymous
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 9:54pm
as of 1PM (this afternoon) Mr Civis 101.
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Thank you
By Civics101
Fri, 09/04/2009 - 1:46pm
Thank you for the warm welcome.
It felt like something was
By anon
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 10:02am
It felt like something was missing, maybe it was the presentation not being enough to confuse me from the truth. They should have bought One-to-One at the Apple Store to help give their video a little more 'pop'.
I thought the video sent a
By New2Boston
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 12:12pm
I thought the video sent a clear message. I'm looking for what the firefighters have to say
Welcome to UHUB as of 11:54
By Anonymous
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 9:56pm
Welcome to UHUB as of 11:54 AM today New2Boston.
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Thank you
By New2Boston
Fri, 09/04/2009 - 2:29pm
thank you
Comment from a Boston Firefighter
By Boston Firefighter
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 8:11pm
As a Boston Firefighter, I can assure you we sympathize with your frustration over drug and alcohol testing. We too want to ensure our safety, the safety of our brother and sister firefighters and the citizens we are sworn to protect. Our job is dangerous enough without the added burden of someone with a substance abuse problem.
Our Union established the web site firefightthesmears.com (the advertisement for which you have seen on the web) as a way to get the rest of the story to the public. Until now, most media coverage has been one sided.
Here are some facts you may find interesting:
We have a drug testing policy.
Our current policy has been in place longer than Mayor Menino has been Mayor. Supervisors can have a firefighter drug tested at their discretion for mere suspicious of use or being under the influence. We also boast one of the most successful Employee Assistance Programs (EAP). This program staff is tasked with grief counseling for firefighters and family members, as well as with substance abuse and help with stress and stress management. Our program has been so successful that it has been mirrored by other Fire Departments and major employers in the private sector.
The Mayor and his staff of negotiators, want to change the current policy. That is fine. However, according to our contract, "any change in working conditions must be negotiated." What that means is: we have the opportunity to sit down and work out the details of the change. For example: is the Cities intent to make it all punitive, or will there be an opportunity for treatment upon a positive test. Who will conduct the new tests, under what conditions (lowest bidder)? What about false positives. All fair questions, none of which the Menino administration wants to discuss.
It should be noted that our collective bargained rights, work in both directions.
For example, take our current contract language about vacations: we are assigned our vacations by the Chief. We don't get to decide when we want to go on vacation. In January a calendar comes out with our vacations on it. That is when we go on vacation. That policy is a working condition. If we want to change the way that policy is executed, so we may go on vacation when WE want to, we would have to sit down and negotiate the change.
I hope this information has helped to understand that much of the issues we wish to address require lengthy answers, not five second sound bites the media likes to throw out such as, "firefighter refuse drug testing."
In the coming days there will be more information available to you and other readers on our new web site. Thank you for taking the time to read this.
Things that make you go Hmmm
By Anonymous
Thu, 09/03/2009 - 9:58pm
Adam,
Three news subscribers all posting pseudonymously all joined today all commented on this thread.
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So?
By neilv
Fri, 09/04/2009 - 2:42am
If they're legitimate contributors, that's a very good thing.
If they're shilling/atroturfing/operatives/whatever, and not doing full disclosure, that's a bad thing.
IMHO, UH could raise the bar for conduct a bit, to maximize the Internet moral outrage smackdown when someone is caught shilling.
Raising the bar includes cleaning up all the recent link-whoring, however, IMHO.