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Developer proposes three-building complex on Fort Point Channel, including large berm to hold back the tides
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Okay this is a parking lot right now.
But at this point I'd love to see the data that says we need to build for this. Do we NEED more "R&D space" or condos?
Also, gotta love the "berm to hold back ties" but don't mind the 500 car UNDERGROUND parking deck that will be rendered useless during such flood. (Water table in this area is very low, and it floods VERY easily.. I worked across the street for 3 years. A little rain and it was puddleville)
But gosh for bid.. BUT PARKING. BUT CARS. Who cares about climate change? We're building a wall to help that. Nevermind we're going to add cars to local streets and create more green house gasses that caused the climate change in the first place.
My god the circular moroncy is silly here. How about ya don't build here?
More cars, more cars!
My thoughts exactly.
Build a berm to protect this property, while contributing to the problem on a global scale.
Someone's getting rich off this. The rest of us pay.
Yes!
But the berm should go from Winthrop to Hull
Cities must grow for the sake of the world
Building offices and housing in Boston is inherently good for the environment since it means the occupants aren't working and living in the suburbs.
Thats pipe dream and you know it
Ya think all these people are gonna work downtown and walk everywhere?
God no, They are gonna drive their BMW over the bridge to the Fin district to work and park in a spot over there.
Or work out of town.
It's a matter of degree
Of course they won't all, but that's the wrong metric, what matters is whether they'll drive less and that seems fairly likely. If they drive from Fort Point to the Financial District that's dumb but it's also a very short commute, so they won't be driving for very long. Even if they reverse commute out to the suburbs there's still a pretty decent chance they'll have a shorter commute, since commuting from the center of the metropolitan area to a suburb is shorter than commuting from one side of the suburbs to the other.
Simple solution, make more
Simple solution, make more streets car-free. If you can't drive in you can't drive in.
Bonus: those car-free streets become great pedestrian & bicycle paths basically overnight and could even tuck in a few bus lanes.
If you don't build it they can't drive it!
The most pleasant and
The most pleasant and environmentally friendly parts of Boston aren't built on top of 400-space garages.
This might as well be in the suburbs.
If it's affordable housing
If it's affordable housing that is. People that can't afford cars need to be able to walk to a train, not have to take 3 busses to get to their job.
Attracting the type of people that live downtown yet still have a car for some reason is definitely not benefiting us as city. Especially since these people are still driving to their jobs next to public transportation!
400 Spaces. But...
I'm not convinced that the business case will exist to move this project forward in 18 months -- at least, not enough to get financing in place. Millennium Partners had to ask for modifications to the Winthrop Sq. project which included converting the condo part of the project to rentals.
Looking at the aerial view, it's a surface parking lot for around 400-500 cars RIGHT NOW. So adding cars to local streets? Nope. If a big chunk of those garage spaces are allotted to the condo owners, there will probably be somewhat less traffic as a fair number of those cars don't get used to commute - they're more for shopping trips and weekend getaways. I'd also presume that over the 50+ years these structures will exist, most cars with internal combustion engines will have been replaced by electric vehicles. (That said, owned parking spaces may become less valuable if autonomous taxis become the predominant mode of transportation for most trips.) If the builders/architects can't design effectively to keep the garage from becoming a giant salt water cistern at high tide well that's on them.
I mean, I'd say don't build there because I think that demand for office and residential space in the City is about to crater. But absent that it's reasonably well-located for access to public transit (5-10 minute walk to South Station, 5-10 minute walk to Broadway, on the 11 bus line) and 700,000 sq ft of office/lab space would need way more than 400 parking spaces if all workers drove.
I guess we can build nothing and hope that jobs and people move away. That has worked well for Detroit.
Looking at the aerial view,
You are ASSUMING these people all work within walking distance and/or will take public transit
That's a huge assumption without ever having 1 tenant.
Keep dreaming, these folks are gonna work in huge office parks in BURLINGTON or NASHUA because its too expensive to rent offices in boston. Just as Fidelity or State Street...
Keep trying to justify cars in the city.. keep on keep on
Circular moronacy.. its a thing.
I'm not assuming they'll all take transit
Just more would if they lived there as opposed to if they lived in, say, North Andover or Acton or Bellingham or Duxbury. For a married couple, yeah, one might be driving to a job in the 'burbs while the other walks/cycles/uses transit. But that's still likely better for the environment than one living in Winchester and driving to the Financial District, with the other driving to Nashua.
Big employers (like Fidelity and State Street) were moving jobs back into cities because the young employees they wanted to attract liked living in cities and didn't want to have to commute. There's a big State Street building across the street from this project. Whether that trend continues post-Covid is an open question.
I will say that any new garage project should be required to have EV charging available at all spaces -- or at the very least, be ready to implement EV charging with minimal additional construction.
Good location - plenty of
Good location - plenty of potential for transit-related development. Branch-off from the Red Line at the mezzanine level at Broadway Station, build a new light rail tunnel under A Street, have a portal to the surface at Melcher Street, and they can merge onto the old Summer Street streetcar rails to get to South Station.
So like...
Only a billion or so to replicate the 11 bus?
Replicate? No.
Replicate? No.
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For maximum disruption and minimum benefit, I'd terminate the 11 at B & 4th Streets, making people walk three blocks to Broadway Station, AND have to pay a separate fare!
What?
There are so many other things you could do with that type of money.
Exhibit A: Orange Line extension to West Roxbury (and Green Line D branch to Needham Junction/Hersey). This frees up space on the SW Corridor and makes frequent electrified CR service possible - both to Providence via the NEC, as well as South Coast Rail via Canton/Stoughton.
Or they could just bring back
Or they could just bring back the South Boston extension of the CT3.
That berm
won't hold 40 years... The water is already in the Gillette parking lot on a spring tide. But then again the transient nature of the city's inhabitants is greater than the transience of liquid. Abandoned dead towers by 2040 and demolished by 2050.