Hey, there! Log in / Register
Small but feisty group calls for sanctuary status for Boston, state
By adamg on Mon, 12/05/2016 - 5:23pm
Outside the State House.
About 250 demonstrators - split between BPS and college students - marched from the Common to the State House and City Hall today to urge Gov. Baker and Mayor Walsh to formally declare sanctuaries for not just undocumented immigrants but other minority groups, including lesbians, gays and transgender people as we move into the Trump era.
They had a specific demand for Baker: Denounce Steve Bannon.
The protesters also demanded that the two elected officials protect public schools from a potential onslaught by privatization forces. Speakers at a rally at the Parkman discussed their work on the successful No on 2 campaign, in which Massachusetts rejected a proposal to allow the creation of 12 new charter schools every year.
"No Trump, no KKK, no racist USA!" was among the chants shouted out during the rally and the march up to the State House. A contingent peacefully entered the State House - after leaving their signs outside - and went up to Gov. Baker's office, where an aide came out and told them the governor was "unavailable".
Her entire sign read "People before Profits:"
@universalhub @ACLU_Mass they're inside city hall now, asking @martywalsh_ma to come out and speak w them. pic.twitter.com/jI2Y0jerJY
— C. Scott Ananian (@cscottnet) December 5, 2016
Neighborhoods:
Topics:
Ad:
Support Universal Hub
Help keep Universal Hub going. If you like what we're up to and want to help out, please consider a (completely non-deductible) contribution.
Comments
You want protests?
Just wait 'til Sessions comes for the weed.
But seriously.
When he nominates Ted Cruz to the Supreme Court the protests will be massive.
im gonna tell this to my children
itll be the scariest bed time story, sure to give them nightmares
To hell w the children
Ted Cruz as a SCOTUS justice gives ME nightmares.
Well we're all granted right
Well we're all granted right for protest via the Constitution provided it's peaceful. Good to see that this wasn't as riotous as the crowd in places such as Portland.
Surprised that they got snubbed by Baker.
He was a leader in the anti-Trump movement. Has he changed his tune? Will he be against protecting sanctuary cities next?
You haven't been keeping up with the news, I take it
We're talking about Charlie "Give Trump a chance" Baker.
Sorta like President Obama
Seems the Gov is Sort like Hillary, and President Obama in that respect.
They're more concerned about
They're more concerned about a peaceful transition than protecting the Republic from this emotionally damaged man who, if he wants the job, it's just to make himself wealthier.
more like a leader
in the I'm a Republican Governor in Massachusetts and Want to Eventually Get Re-elected Movement.
What would that meeting have been like?
"WE'RE ANGRY DONALD TRUMP WAS LEGALLY ELECTED PRESIDENT"
Baker- "uh, yah me too."
The protesters want the mayor
The protesters want the mayor to declare sanctuary for lesbians? What does that mean?
That lesbians and others will be protected here
Possibly hard to imagine here in Boston, but there's a whole big country out there where non-straight people are not treated with the sort of common decency you'd expect.
Book recommendation
https://www.amazon.com/Cleanest-Race-Koreans-Themselves-Matters/dp/19355...
Let's try this again
What does this mean?
Trump has has nothing to say on this issue, except to say that the North Carolina bathroom kerfuffle was BS and to invite the winner of the 1976 Olympic Decathlon to the Republican National Convention. Sure, his Vice President would not be considered "stellar" on LGBTQRST rights, but the body of evidence against him is making insurance companies cover conversion therapy and allowing caterers to refuse to have to handle gay weddings. That puts the VP-elect still to the left of the President who signed the Defense of Marriage Act.
Regardless of who was elected President, the rights of lesbians, gays and transgender would remain as they have been in the Commonwealth. Now, undocumented immigrants are another story, and that is why I am aghast at how people are protesting Trump.
Lord, have mercy...
Tell me, when did said president ever support measures to require women who have abortions to also have funerals for the 'victims of infanticide'?
Stay on topic
When gay men start having abortions, your comment will be germain. Until then...
Conversion Therapy should be
Conversion Therapy should be considered a hate crime. At the very least, no insurance SHOULD cover it. It's like wanting insurance to cover heroin - not just a 'therapy' without medical / psychological benefit but is something actively harmful and life ruining.
You're missing something
Pence never advocated that people should be made to undergo conversion therapy. There was a feeling that it should be covered, most likely by people who somehow think that it would "help" those who think they are gay.
That said, I have yet to see any proof that Trump is supportive of this, or that he has any ill feelings towards gays and lesbians. I think the transgendered thing was covered in Cleveland over the summer.
Oh please
YOU are the one who is missing something.
If we were talking about Catholics being forced to become Protestants you wouldn't be talking about "giving the option" blah blah blah.
We are also talking about enabling parents to force their minor children through this purely religious torture, and a 50+% suicide rate. This is not scientifically valid medicine or mental health - it is aimed at getting gay kids to kill themselves. You cannot even begin to assert that Pence doesn't know full fucking well what he was advocating for in that regard. Conversion "therapy" IS torture and it KILLS CHILDREN.
I sincerely hope that your son isn't gay if you think that parents should be "given the option" of perpetuating hate crimes against gay children.
What are you going to do for an encore - tell us that all those children raped by priests were "only given an option"?
I'm missing nothing
I think that conversion therapy is BS and that no one should have to go through it. Parents should just accept their kids for being their kids.
On the other hand, I'm not going to impose my beliefs on others. Yes, this does swing both ways. I'm just saying that there is a big difference between the government allowing families to choose to do this and the government making people do this.
But yeah, keep on pissing on the Catholics. You know who else has something against the Catholic Church? Mike Pence. Left the church and everything. If he said that his minor children had to attend a church because he was changing religions, fine. That's how these things work. If you really want to double down on this, ask me what I think about Christian Scientists.
Some day,
I am going to invent a device that lets me administer small electric shocks over standard TCP/IP, and I'm going to fine-tune it by having it target anyone who ever trots out that oldest and tiredest of chestnuts, "Your intolerance of my intolerance is the REAL intolerance." And I will make a million dollars, and be forever spared from this insufferable talking point. People who do bad things to their gay kids/family/neighbors/whatever are wretched human beings who deserve every bit of scorn we can heap on them. Mike Pence specifically should be sentenced to walk his house barefoot while I strew Legos on the floor. People who say bad things about those same bigots are such a completely different thing that my mind boggles at the very idea that they're being used in the same sentence.
Also, no one was pissing on Catholics at any point in this thread--that's your persecution complex acting up. In fact, Swirly was doing the exact opposite: contending that applying your very argument to Catholics would be a really shitty thing to do.
Oh, Swirly's anti-Papism is there
Either that, or I was deluded when I thought she wrote
She didn't have to go there, but she did.
Religious child abuse
Is religious child abuse. An apologist for suicide-inducing child torture has no room to complain if his own religion's child abuse is brought up when he is excusing other forms of such abuse.
You are a very sad person if you can't see that the same attitudes breed the same results just because you have declared your enabling to be sacred and special.
You're correct, but you're also disingenuous
You are correct that Trump himself hasn't attacked LGBTQ people directly as such, much (apart from saying that he would "strongly consider" nominating a Supreme Court justice to overturn marriage equality, and support for HB2, and supporting FADA and other so-called "religious freedom" laws, and...). You are also correct that Pence's alleged support for so-called conversion therapy is ambiguous at best, and that he's never made a statement in favor of electroshock treatment for gay people, contrary to what some people are saying. But you are being disingenuous if you believe that stocking his cabinet with homophobes means nothing, or that our new overlord won't hand the reins over to Pence, a well-documented homophobe, while he goes golfing. History is full of leaders who didn't have any personal animus towards gays, or so they said - but they were perfectly willing to let their underlings' prejudices have free rein. Consider also the implications of Trump being able to fill numerous lower-court judicial appointments that went unfilled during the Obama administration because of Republican obstructionism, add in the trend to create ever more so-called "religious freedom" laws at every level of government, and it's a goddamn bleak future for LGBTQ people under Trump. To say anything else is a flat-out lie.
Good points, but
How can any court or cabinet member really do anything to erode gay rights in Massachusetts?
Even social conservatives like me see this as a state issue. If New York wants to pass a law allowing gay people to get married, fine. If Mississippi wants to enshrine marriage as only between a man and a woman (which of course was overturned by the Supreme Court), sure. This goes back to the first point-
What does sanctuaries for not just undocumented immigrants but other minority groups, including lesbians, gays and transgender people even mean?
Social conservatives like me see this as a state issue
Well of course thats not the case when it comes to marriage, SCOTUS recognized that blocking gay couples from the hundreds of federal laws and benefits given to married couples was a violation of equal protections under the law. But of course you know this, so whatever.
This reminds me a of a straight friend who is getting married this year and posted on Facebook. He wondered aloud why gay couples fight so hard for "just a piece of paper." He of course will be filing paperwork and fees for "just a piece of paper" for his marriage but seemed to disingenuously forget about all those federal laws and benefits that come with it.
You read the rest of that paragraph, right?
You know, the part that noted that the Supreme Court said what you say it said.
But again, What does sanctuaries for not just undocumented immigrants but other minority groups, including lesbians, gays and transgender people even mean?
But hey, thanks for being tolerant of other people's views.
Keep playing the victim
I chose to respond to your views about gay marriage and states rights, which clash with SCOTUS. I don't really have to respond to your loaded question if I don't want to.
Thanks for letting me be the victim
I mean, we could have a discussion about what it means to be a sanctuary and who it would apply to, along with perhaps actual proposals by the incoming President, but instead you decided to harp on my views on what constitutes a marriage.
But hey, to each his or her own.
Well ...
You seem to love to play the victim - especially when called out on your "sacred right" to bigotry.
Or...
...you could get off your passive-aggressive butt and google it. But you'd rather be spoon-fed, and then spit out what you're given as unacceptable. Come on, Waquoit, if you want to play that game, expect people to call it what it is.
Sigh
So, the incoming administration plans on deporting gays, lesbians, and transgendered persons? That's typically what causes sanctuaries to be created.
But hey, I'll keep on being passive-aggressive as long as you keep on being straight up aggressive. A question was asked, but no one seems to want to answer it. I might not like what this theoretical LGBTQRS sanctuary would be, but it could understand it if someone explained it to me. You see, some of us actually like to understand different opinions.
Here's how
Google "religious freedom laws". You'll learn a thing or two.
Ah, a graduate of the Trump School of Government
Google "how laws are made in the United States?". Fascinating stuff.
Hint- neither cabinet members nor judges pass laws, though the latter do have the power to declare a law unconstitutional.
Nazi Scum?
If i remember right Nazi's imprisoned, starved and sent a whole buncha people to their death in gas chambers.
Comparing our future president to them is a bit of a stretch
You're right, she was wrong
Her sign should have said NEO NAZI instead, except the rhyme wouldn't work as well.
Do you really believe that to be true?
For a guy I didn't vote for, I'm finding myself drawn to defending our future president a whole lot. Guess why.
Because you haven't been paying attention?
How many guesses do I get?
Because you're a nice guy
as many as you want.
You won't get it though.
Ain't it the truth
I mean, there's so much to dislike about the guy, yet the things people get hung up on amazes me, along with things like, well... I spent too much of my Sunday talking about such things, and I will probably spend the next 4 years doing the same.
As people like to say, Sanders would have cleaned Trump's clock, but instead we got what we got.
Maybe Trump's not a neo-Nazi
I can buy that. However, he has neo-Nazi supporters, and he's created an environment where, as stupid as it sounds, we're starting to see articles about whether Jews are "white."
He's done little to nothing to tamp that down and, yes, Mr. CEO of Breitbart is going to be right there in the White House. Add to the fact that, yes, Trump is all on his own an authoritarian who incites crowds to press hatred to the point that a wire service has to pull some reporters off his beat, shows he has no concept of the First Amendment or, for that matter, the Fourteenth (sorry, Donny, you can't just strip a natural-born American citizen of citizenship), whines at media executives about photos of his double chin and complains about a TV sketch show, constantly, and, well, I can see why people might be worried.
Maybe in four years we'll all just look back and laugh and laugh at how paranoid we were.
Or maybe we'll sigh about how we weren't alert enough.
You're doing it again
I just read that Atlantic piece myself. You know what it is? More gossip. Left-wing academics pontificating about their fears about what's going on in the minds of the other side with absolutely no evidence beyond the fears articulated by other left-wing academics, politicians, and activists.
Repeat after me: not journalism; gossip.
I'll also note that somehow you're not assailing the Atlantic as an anti-Semitic publication because of the provocative title it ran that piece with. If it had appeared in Breitbart of Fox News...oh boy...give me a few days for my geiger counter and radiation suit to arrive in the mail.
Huh, I thought you got context and nuance
You're saying you can't figure out why a neo-Nazi questioning whether Jews are white might be different than a Jew raising the same question? I guess that means you also might not understand people who are part of a group that has been persecuted and murdered for, oh, 2,000 years might be a bit sensitive to the question of whether their fellow countrymen are turning on them.
And yeah, yeah, yeah, Steve Bannon loves Israel so much. We've discussed that already.
I would note that, during WW2, the Baltic nations....
... particularly Lithuania and Latvia collaborated quite enthusiastically with the Germans in exterminating virtually their entire Jewish populations.
Alright dude, you can delete my account at your convenience
I'm not going to play in your echo chamber any more. Have fun driving yourself nuts, giving yourself nightmares, and shaving years off of your lifespan.
See you in the funny pages
Can you put fishy in the back of your car when you drive off? You two could open a cafe or something in Palookaville.
Do it, Adam! Be it a liberal
Do it, Adam! Be it a liberal snowflake echo chamber, at least we won't have stupid in it.
Shut Up, Anon
The grownups are talking.
Get yourself a log in or gtfo.
Context, Swirly
Context, Swirly, my god, try to follow along.
Promise?
nt
C'mon Adam
This site is going to soon lose credibility. You're way to one sided & way to blatently obvious about it
Oh, that would be a shame, wouldn't it?
But I don't care. Bye, Felicia.
Yeah,
I'm sure Adam's feeling the financial pain of offending anonymous commenters who post at 2:24 AM by reporting on news of local protests. That's a demographic you just can't afford to lose, in this age of modern media.
Ban Anons First
I mean, really, who the hell does this git think he or she is telling you how to run your site?
Well maybe if the account
Well maybe if the account login system worked, that would be possible. But I haven't been able to log into mine without doing a password reset every time for over a year. I contacted Adam about it once and he supposedly reset it, but it still doesn't work right. So I gave up on logging in and and don't even try anymore.
you are using a consistent pseud
The problem is the "anon not verified" people who turn up at 3am and say stoopid things like OMG LIBRUHHHLLLL like it was an insult.
you are using a consistent pseud
The problem is the "anon not verified" people who turn up at 3am and say stoopid things like OMG LIBRUHHHLLLL like it was an insult.
Hitler didn't campaign on genocide
He was definitely considered a far-right crazy and widely perceived as anti-Semitic - much like Trump - but it was mostly considered campaign rhetoric. Serious conservatives saw Hitler as somebody they could work with, andnobody in Germany saw the gas chambers coming in 1933. Not even the Nazis.
I don't think genocide will happen in America, largely because our federal institutions are stronger and only a small handful of Trump'a inner circle has the appetite. I think a de facto return to Jim Crow + banana republic is more likely.
But the thing about dictators is that nobody knows they're dictators until well after the dictatorship starts. And I think more centrist-minded people are vastly underestimating how much damage Trump can do, and vastly understating how much damage state-level Republicans have done in the past few years.
And genocide against Muslims is a pot that's been ready to boil over since 2009.
"considered campaign rhetoric"
Our institutions are stronger than Germany's in the 30s, but not as much stronger as I'd like, nor as much stronger as I believed a few months ago. And they're vulnerable. For example, the judiciary: never mind the supremes, there's a backlog of unfilled positions in lower courts that the Republican Congress is going to give Trump a free hand with. Corruption of the judiciary was a crucial element in the SA's power in Germany: if you can bust heads and know that at worst you'll get a slap on the wrist, while leftists who do a fraction of what you did gets sent up for hard time, it does lead to a certain, shall we say, exuberance?
Must be a different Hitler you're thinking of
The one I learned about in history class was always an open anti-Semite.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power
Just like Steve Bannon.
Just like Steve Bannon.
But who's to say that Jews would necessarily be the focus of a new Hitler anyway? Maybe the new Hitler would be Islamophobic instead of anti-Semitic. Maybe he'd suggest banning foreign Muslims from entering the country. Maybe he'd even suggest forcing all Muslim citizens to register as such...
Question: why am I responding to this?
Because I quite clearly stated that Germans knew he was an anti-Semite (indeed, so was the Weimar government, but Germans knew Hitler was particularly virulent).But Hitler did not promise genocide. He did not promise dictatorship.
There are scores of similarities between Trump's campaign and that of other dictators before they took power. And your shtick is, at best, embarrassingly naive, or, more likely, smarmy 'look how clever I am' apologism for the greatest threat to American democracy since World War 2.
Sigh
Read Mein Kampf, then tell me what people were to think Hitler's ideas were.
Condescending sigh back atcha
Read Mein Kampf, you say, Waquiot? Read what Trump has said publicly for years . If you don't recognize the same sort of incendiary language in Trump's language as Hitler's then you are the problem here, not the people seeing Trump clearly for who he is. You are attempting to subvert the conversation to make Trump look not so bad as he is. That's me respecting you and assuming that you're not just too dumb to recognize patterns in human behavior and government. I'm respecting you and assuming that you do recognize these things and are still attempting to change the conversation because you have ulterior motives.
Your defense of Trump and, in weird ways, Hitler is personally offensive to me. Most of my family died in the Holocaust. Most arguments defending Trump and his supporters from comparisons to Hitler - including most on UHub - are whiny and just plain wrong.
Most of your family died in the Holocaust
Yet you are cool with the Nazi comparison with Trump? Wow.
Sorry, Trump ain't Hitler. He's barely Mussolini. We will have Congressional elections in 2 years, and Presidential elections 2 years after that. The Constitution will still function, and the Supreme Court will have the power to ensure that the Constitution is obeyed. The worst abuses of civil liberties a la Hitler will be FDR like surveillance of Muslims. I don't support Trump, but comparing him to Hitler is way, way too much.
Trump does not yet have the full resources...
... of the US military and police and intelligence agencies at his beck and call. Some of us have a (reasonable, I think) fear of what use he might put these to (and the fact that these entities are chock-full of ardent Trump supporters doesn't ease our concerns).
Double Sigh.
Naw. I don't need to read the raving rants of a twisted bastard. I know enough from reading WWII history to know and understand Hitler's "ideas".
You're missing the point
When Adolph Hitler began to rise politically, his distain for the Jews was well known. He literally wrote a book espousing his ideology.
What do we know about Donald Trump's ideology from his campaign?
-he is opposed to illegal immigration. He thinks that the Mexican government is sending criminal elements into the United States illegally, along with some good people.
-he is worried about the increase in terrorism stemming from radical parts of Islam.
-he thinks that free trade has ruined the industrial base of the United States.
-he thinks that the United States shouldn't be the world's policeman, that NATO, Japan, and South Korea should be spending more for their defense rather than expecting the American taxpayers to be paying for it.
-he has a dislike of mainstream media.
Sure, there are a lot of other little things, but that would be the basis of "Trumpism."
But, but...
Don't forget how racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, and anti-Semitic he is.
BPS STUDENTS?
Spare us at best a handful of BPS students, the rest are the usual cabal of professional protesters from the burbs.
Oh, were you there?
I didn't spot anybody who looked like a particularly cranky keyboard pounder, but maybe I missed you.
I was there: It started out with 100-125 high-school kids along with some adults in orange vests and the usual 2 or 3 Workers World types. Oh, and lots and lots of reporters, photographers and camera people. Then, around 2:10, about the same number of college kids (mostly Mass. Art, I think) came marching behind a large "Water is Life" banner from across the Common.
BPS walkout #3 12/5/2016
Cranky Bernie supporter
I am cranky ever since the Bernie the happy warrior lost in the primary which was rigged. That being said when more BPS students support senior skip day than yesterdays media event than the message missed its target.
I am also cranky when I read that if the students are suspended the Boston school department could be charged with civil rights violations by the Department of Justice. I am also cranky because when an immigrant was brutally attacked at Savin Hill station and told to go back to her own country not one city or state leader came out and condemned the actions of the BPS students who were arrested and charged with hate crimes.
The city of Boston is not your lawn
Be all the cranky you want, but realize that the city of Boston, and the Boston public schools, are not your lawn. And if you are condemning a group of BPS students demonstrating for Trump because some other BPS students committed a hate crime, you're not only cranky, you're an ax-grinding idiot whose only interest is derailment, not discourse.
Suspension?
Schools have policies about unexcused class absences. They're typically like this: you get in trouble if you do it too much, or you have to take a zero for class participation in that class, on that day.
Suggesting that a different, more punitive practice be applied specifically in the case where a student skips a class to participate in political speech, whereas the lesser practice would continue to be applied for other cases - such as students skipping class to get stoned or watch a movie or go skiing - would be bad practice on the part of schools.
I think the protest was useless and pointless. I hope it made the kids feel better, because it didn't accomplish anything else. But I played hookey when I was a kid for many even dumber reasons.
Professional protesters?
I'm curious as to how you think protesting works. OK, so we're going with the angle of "these are paid agitators," right? Is this their 9-5? Or do they moonlight as agents provacateur? Who's paying them? (If your answer contains the word "Soros" or "the democrats," I'd tell you to delete your accounts, but apparently you thinks o little of your own points that you refused to even sign with a pseudonym) Why pay them to protest here, on this issue, rather than somewhere that isn't a blue dot in a red sea?
Trump's America, man. Even the fringe wackos are getting lazy. Maybe this is why your internet trolling jobs are getting outsourced.
iProtest
It's like Uber or TaskRabbit, but for protesters. What, you haven't heard of it?
Unhinged!
Just when you think you've seen it all. Luckily winter is setting in, otherwise they might try to camp out, again.
Shouldn't You Be Shaking Down A Drug Dealer?
Getting A Comped Meal?
Using the Zipper Lane even though you are the only one in the car?
Double parking with your ticket book up on the dash?
Watching gas company workers dig a whole while you watch from your cruiser?
Hey, if you are going to go the stereotype route, so will I.
Donuts?
You forgot the donuts.
Sorry Fish, couldn't resist.
Fishy was busy
in the broom closet in Salem
Unhinged!
Yes, fishy, yes. You are unhinged.
Can someone explain
without resorting to four-letter words, why anyone thinks it's a good idea to have a protest sign in Korean anywhere outside of Korea?
It reminds me of those 'day without an immigrant' protests that were all the rage in the mid 2000s, when these same sorts of knuckleheads would show up with Mexican flags to tell the rest of us how integral to the fabric of America they all were.
I dismiss almost all of the protesters' concerns out of hand, of course, but morbid curiosity impels me to ask an honest question about the sign in Korean.
There are actual Koreans and Korean-Americans living here
What the sign signifies is that the woman who held the sign was probably of Korean origin (I didn't talk to her, but, yes, she was of East Asian descent). Sometimes things aren't all that complicated.
a thing about 'murica
is that we don't have an official national language. so, fortunately we are all able to express ourselves in the words that best communicate what we are feeling and thinking. sometimes those words are in another language like Korean or Spanish, and sometimes those words are nonsense like "yuge" and "bigly".
plus, messages conveyed in a protest aren't always directed at those in power, rather they can often be interpreted as messages of solidarity and support for others in the group/community (in this case linguistic) who might not, say, feel safe going into the streets, among other reasons.
I know Press One for English is all hard and stuff, but you know, freedom and whatnot.
And who would be giving them the idea
that it's not safe to walk down the street?
You may want to sit down before you try to answer that.
oh i dont know
maybe the swastika-painting trumpkins and kkk sheet goblins that have been more active as of late.
but like I say, the choice of a person to express themselves in a particular language can be due to any number of reasons, and needs no explanation or justification simply because you are not able to understand it.
Two possibilities... maybe
Two possibilities... maybe she's protesting the South Korean president, or maybe she thinks Taiwan's independence should remain in the closet instead of being informally recognized by Trump.
You OK?
Not running a fever, I hope, but if you are, ibuprofen works wonders.
There are some people
who can read Korean more easily than they can read English. Probly they're trying to communicate with them.
HTH.
Protestors
The girl holding the "people" sign should've written more on it, the message doesn't get across.
F white supremacy? That is a
F white supremacy? That is a very well thought out and positive piece of writing. As Adam The Great points out- these upstanding citizens are 100 percent all either either BPS or well, well educated college students, so I am glad to see our youth have such a broad vocabulary. She will go far in life with an attitude and vocab like that.
Coarse language
Is, of course, something Dear Leader's supporters would never, ever do.
Dear Leader's term is up on Jan 20 at 1700Z
Though I have seen his supporters say and do some crazy stuff.
You left out ...
The 2021 part.
Nope, the term limit is there
to prevent that. Speaking of demagogues, have you heard about this FDR guy?
Want to offer a credible source...
... for your characterization of Roosevelt as a "demagogue"?
He was a fan of interning people due to nationality
And since America woudn't accept boatloads of Jewish kids fleeing what would end up being the holocaust, he didn't care much for immigrants, it would seem.
Hardly anyone in America...
... favored admitting Jewish refugees -- and not many Americans objected to interning Japanese-Americans, but neither of these issues (neither of which constituted bright spots on Roosevelt's record) address the claim that Roosevelt was a "demagogue".
Fuck White Nationalism
It's laugh out loud funny, as in hypocritical, to hear a Trump supporter get politically correct about course language.
What's sick is the new patriotic correctness-- You must fly the flag.
What's sick is the new
What's sick is the country's collective, willful amnesia regarding how batshit all of this stuff went during Bush. There's a clear goddamn line between the rebirth of RAH-RAH-NO-DISSENT patriotism under bush, to tea partying and doubledowning on NO-COMPROMISE patriotism under Obama, to this bullshit. But nobody actually wants to address this because we'd all rather forget we elected a war criminal.
Doesn't address the demagogue point
But speaking the two names together does point out similarities.
One more- both had the support of those who think (or thought) that white people are superior to black people, though it is my belief that neither FDR nor DJT think this.
I don't think the two names...
... belong in the same sentence UNLESS there is a "not" somewhere between them.
Ah yes.
Myself, when I write protest signs, I like to evoke some of Camus' early work. "Every act of rebellion expresses a nostalgia for innocence and an appeal to the essence of being" fits neatly on a 48x36 poster board, as long as you write in small enough letters that no one more than ten feet away will be able to read it. That's what you want in your protest signs: subtle nuance.
Nothing new.
The right had Obama derangement syndrome after he was elected now the left has Trump derangement syndrome. The syndrome lasts 4 to 8 years.
One difference
Obama Derangement was based on conspiracy theories that were laughable outside of the Chamber of Stupidity they came from.
Trump Resistance is based on his actual behavior and the swamp-bottom morons he is empowering to destroy our republic and piss on our constitution.
Very big difference - the former based on paranoid fantasy, the latter based on facts in evidence.
Agree or disagree this is America and peaceful
protest is what makes us different from other nations.
On another note the anti Trumpsters need to take a deep breath. I am not convinced he will take the oath of office. He has no desire for a real job. He will have to govern. That takes genuine, not acting effort. I will not be shocked if at the 11th hour he announces that he achieved his goal of saving the country from Hillary and now will turn things over to his good friend Mike Pence. Is that worse than Trump? Maybe, but I suspect some of those protesters didn't vote. We get what we vote or don't vote for.
"We get what we vote or don't vote for"
Some of them didn't vote because they were, and are, too young to vote. They will have to live with what others voted for. Do you blame them for protesting against it?
Some of them did vote, and not for Trump. They, too, will have to live with what others voted for. Do you blame them for protesting against it?
And please, let's skip the first-grade civics lesson on how elections work. I get that part. I also understand that our country is supposed to have institutional checks and balances to prevent the tyranny of the majority, and the voting-away of fundamental rights. Trump and members of his cabinet have already publicly stated that they intend to violate these fundamental rights. I hope you're not arguing that the protesters should simply be graceful losers and go home. Losing an election in this country does not mean losing your civil rights. It must never mean that, and when the newly elected candidate threatens that very thing, it is not only acceptable, but appropriate for every good citizen to protest.
I'm an advocate of protest and I enjoy keyboard
blowhards who are prone to hyperbolic overreach.
Article in the NYT
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/05/opinion/trumps-a...
What Electoral College Electors would be good to email...
What Electoral College Electors would be good to email and ask they break the Pledge?
https://www.reddit.com/r/FairVote/comments/5gtkak/what_electoral_college...
As liberal as I am, despite
As liberal as I am, despite how much I think Trump and his cabinet ARE the Swamp, despite how blind and logic-impaired I find a lot of his supporters (like Roman and O-FISH-L), I think that messing with the Electors is not only going to happen, it's a terrible idea.
Get rid of the Electoral College in lawful ways, yes (where's the fairness in 30K people spread out over the Rust Belt deciding what should happen to 2.5 million people on the coasts? Policies affect people, not geographical areas) but don't poke the bear.
Hey, redhead girl, big kudos
Hey, redhead girl, big kudos on using the vocative comma correctly on your sign (http://www.grammar-monster.com/lessons/commas_with_vocative_case.htm)
(compare that to the popular meme of the often-misspelled conservative sign)
These are high schoolers?
Did BPS get rid of the age limit for students? They all look more than old enough to vote.
Nope
Read my original post again, then skim the comments, and you'll see where I stated that roughly half the protesters were high-school students and half were college students. And there were a fair number of reporters and people with cameras mixed in. Maybe the photos I posted tend to be of older people, because they were mostly the ones holding the signs, but, again, about half the protesters were high-school age.