Photo via Ricardo Arroyo.
They've already screamed their lungs out at the young children of the mayor, so the anti-vax brigade decided to mix it up this morning, by going to City Councilor Ricardo Arroyo's mother's house in Hyde Park and screaming at her even though Arroyo himself no longer lives there - and was not there this morning.
Arroyo supports Mayor Wu's proposal to limit protests outside a particular person's house, but his mother, Elsa, 70, is a retired school teacher who holds absolutely no government position whatsoever related to Covid-19 regulations.
Arroyo, who chairs the committee studying the proposal, spurred by more than two months of early morning bucket drumming and racist chanting outside Wu's Roslindale house, and who is also running for Suffolk County DA, tweeted today
She told them it wasn't my home but they ignored her & kept on for hours. City Hall is open and they can protest there. It's clear the goal isn't protest but targeted harassment and its wrong.
Wu tweeted:
Cruel & disgusting. Leave our moms, families & neighbors out of it.
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Suggestion
By anon
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 6:54pm
Someone needs to dox these motherfxxxers and start harrassing them at their homes. Just a suggestion.
As a start
By lbb
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:55pm
As a start, I'd settle for finding out where their homes are. This is an astroturf "movement".
Expose and disrupt the money
By tblade
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:57pm
Whose payroll are these people on?
Disrupt the money?
By Pete Nice
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 10:17am
No offense, but this group doesn't look like a well funded bunch to me.....
Dirty deeds
By tblade
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 10:41am
...done dirt cheap.
There's always a financial gain/grift for these relentless astroturf campaigns. These people aren't out grinding every day for the love of the game.
In other cities, out-of-work actors have been "cast" for their roles as "grass roots" right-wing protestors. Perhaps the talent pool of those both out of work and willing to routinely debase themselves isn't as deep in the Greater Boston area? https://twitter.com/chadloder/status/1421931374567...
Oh I get that…
By Pete Nice
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 11:29am
There are people who think those “Nazis†at the St Pattys day parade are paid for (or even feds) but these guys? my experience tells me they are just off their rockers…..
Two things can be true
By lbb
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 11:39am
They may very well be off their rockers, and also funded (which is not the same as "paid") and enabled by someone else. Funding an astroturf campaign doesn't mean handing out dollars to the dumbass foot soldiers.
Dianna’s made that easy. She
By fredly
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 10:28am
Dianna’s made that easy. She’s running for Governor.
If their goal is to get media attention
By BostonDog
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:04pm
It's working.
I think you are giving them a lot of credit
By Ralph Manecke
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:10pm
I don't think they are capable of planning or strategy. I have seen no agenda from them to indicate they even know what they want. They are just miserable people and are sharing their misery.
I find them imbecilic
By BostonDog
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 8:06pm
My guess is their goal is simply to make "liberals" unhappy. It's the same goal as most of the GOP at this point.
They have the same mentality as the dipshits who go to school board meetings to scream about "CRT" without any knowledge or care what that means or any other aspect of the school. It's just something to do to make them feel like good soldiers in some imaginary culture war.
There's at least two levels of "they"
By lbb
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 8:36am
There's at least two levels of "they", and you've definitely identified one of them. The other level understands that the first level is easily manipulated to be their brownshirts, or useful idiots if you prefer. They're not a whole lot smarter themselves to be honest -- there's at least one more level beyond that.
On the contrary
By Bob Leponge
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 11:19am
On the contrary, it’s a well orchestrated campaign to make school board members’ experience miserable enough that many resign, making room for the election of those who share the protesters’ ringleaders agenda. Phyllis Schlafly’s highly successful long game from the 1970s was to recognize that today’s school board member is tomorrow’s city councilor, next year’s state rep, next decade’s congressional rep or US Senator.
Voucher Program
By Danielle
Tue, 04/12/2022 - 4:05pm
Don’t forget about the voucher program for charter schools! The Koch funded federalist society, CNP & heritage foundation have,unbeknownst to many of us, been planning this for decades. With all the craziness at school and town meetings people started poking around ,what the hell is going on here? They want to eliminate the DOE, open *Christian*charter schools all across the country (and are in the process of just that, look at NH, it was presented as a great opportunity for a mere 140k-now over 7 million on the taxpayers dime. These schools have no rules or regulations of who and what is taught, they also have no plan for their students higher education as many are not accredited.
If you’re seeing this please read and share this proposal to Trump by the CNP Director, outlining their exact plans, and I can’t believe I’m saying this but thank God Trump did not go ahead with it, big win for him.
https://www.eclectablog.com/wp-content/uploads/201...
If their goal is unfettered scumbaggery
By tachometer
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:16pm
It's working.
Always remember
By Bostonperson
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:19pm
Two things can be true at once.
Goal?
By Sources Say
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 8:41pm
These idiots don't have a goal. Just like they apparently don't have jobs, or lives, or anything meaningful to do during the day. Hate-filled harassment is all these poorly educated fools appear to be capable of doing.
And this is why.....
By Gary C
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 7:48pm
We need that f*cking anti-harassment law. If this was me who showed up outside any random person's house and ranted for hours, I'd get hauled away in a second. (As I should.)
This crap is a step away from domestic terrorism.
It might be crass, but isn't & shouldn't be illegal
By pcannon
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 8:26pm
Their protest target and argument (do they even have one?) is nonsensical once you peel a single layer on their argument & they're a bunch of loons, but residential picketing ought to be (& is - with asterisks) protected speech. Just flip some details around - if the mayor or councilor were promoting a policy of school segregation, would you still say picketing at the residence of them (or people who have influence on them) should be illegal?
Time (outside reasonable waking hours), place (obstructing a walkway or roadway, or on their private property), and manner (excessive noise) are all fair game; but a blanket ban on residential picketing can not, and should not, be passed. (Well, they can pass it, but it sure won't be upheld*)
* Unless it's of a toothless, easily bypassed variety, see Frisby v. Schultz; but even then you can demonstrate at a residence, just so long as you include marching in front of the adjacent homes, too.
It's not a blanket ban
By tachometer
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 8:30pm
The city is using Frisby v. Schultz as a guide to ensure that any suit filed against it gets shot down hard at the lower level due to precedent. If the law goes in and they continue doing what they are doing now they will be arrested every time. Not sure how you call that toothless.
Link about recently enacted legislation in LA
By Bostonperson
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 1:19am
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2021-09-1...
The council voted 12 to 2 to pass an ordinance prohibiting picketing within 300 feet of a targeted residential dwelling, replacing a current law that prohibits such picketing within 100 feet.
The ordinance also allows anyone who is “aggrieved†by the unlawful picketing to seek up to $1,000 for each violation. Aggrieved parties could include the target of the protests, as well as neighbors.
Sari Zureiqat, an attorney with the ACLU of Southern California, said the law will make it harder for protesters to make their messages heard by their intended targets.
Write this stuff up however you want. It is people who have power taking it away from those who do not have it. This will always come back around to hurt causes you believe in, regardless of what they are.
Glad to see one other person who values free speech
By Dan Farnkoff
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 6:48am
What's progressive about a powerful politician seeking to ensure that they never have to really hear dissenting speech? Seeking to ban public demonstrations? Arrest protesters? This isn't progressive. It's the type of move I associate more with people like Putin than supporters of liberal democracy and the US Constitution. That it gets so much support from people who fancy themselves liberals is terrifying. Has the ACLU come out against this proposal? I hope they do.
there’s a good point in what you’ve written
By berkleealum
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 7:51am
of course, Wu is *not* seeking to ensure that she never has to hear dissenting speech. neither is she seeking to ban public demonstrations or to arrest protestors. there’s really no need for hyperbole.
I'd like to see politicians bear this cross a bit more patiently
By Dan Farnkoff
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 8:34am
After all, there are Bostonians who have to live year-round in more crowded, noisy and chaotic neighborhoods that no hasty new law will ever transform into suburbanish paradises of tranquillity...and after all, this is the city and what's the city without a little noise, odor, hustle and bustle? I would argue that Government is more heavy-handed and powerful now, in terms of its control over the individual and intrusion into aspects of daily life, than it has ever been in a non-wartime/draft situation, and it has been this way now for a pretty long period of time. A little protest about this situation, directed toward powerful public officials, is healthy and should be expected and even respected. Also, does Arroyo still live in the district? If so, where? Is there general confusion about this or am I misreading it? I think this is supposed to be a matter of public record.
Yea there are lines here Dan for sure.....
By Pete Nice
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 10:12am
Disturbing the Peace:
Disorderly Conduct:
All sorts of subjective concepts in there.
Charges To Be Declined list
By Hardy Har Har
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 11:08am
https://rollins4da.com/policy/charges-to-be-declined/
Disorderly conduct
Disturbing the peace
And 3 guesses who helped develop the list?
https://www.baystatebanner.com/2022/02/08/ricardo-...
You realize
By fungwah
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 11:12am
Rachel Rollins is no longer the DA, right?
(also, note the "unless supervisor permission is obtained" part of that "charges to be declined. The idea that there would never ever be charges for these things is a weird right-wing hateboner fantasy.)
Do you live in a neighborhood where this happens?
By HenryAlan 2.0
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 11:21am
You might have a different take on the line between free speech and targeted harassment if you had to deal with these jerks on a daily basis. The Mayor's neighbors shouldn't have to put up with this, nor should Mrs. Arroyo or her neighbors.
they are protesting policies
By berkleealum
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 11:23am
that aren’t in place anymore. i’m not necessarily in favor of the expanded dnd hours – i am suggesting that this group is currently abusing the freedoms the laws allow.
there is no hypocrisy in acknowledging that what Cottone et al. are doing bears no resemblance to the other protests of recent years.
The proposed restriction meets those criteria
By Ron Newman
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 12:50pm
It does not ban protests outside residences. It limits their hours, taking two hours off in the morning and two hours at night, compared to current law.
Aren't harassment and threats
By Notfromboston
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 9:09am
Aren't harassment and threats on our Decline To Prosecute list?
"our"?
By lbb
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 9:29am
Come on, kid. You can do better than that.
Probably picked his mom's
By Plen-T-Pak
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 9:38pm
Probably picked his mom's house because it's women of color that really get them riled up. I sure hope these people aren't from Boston and are just a bunch of children of 1970s white flighters who rolled in from Keene.
You sound racist
By Bostonperson
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 11:08am
You really do
I suppose we can take some solace...
By u-hub-fan
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 9:45pm
...in the fact that they're more likely to be dead in the near future than the rest of us, and that it is strictly the results of their own decisions.
Don't forget, however, that these anti-vaxxers
By mplo
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 4:26am
Don't forget, however, that these anti-vaxxers also put others at risk of becoming really, really sick, ending up in the hospital, or even dying from Covid-19 itself. These creeps don't give a shit about anybody but themselves.
More biased reporting from UHub
By True colors
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 10:46pm
Adam, the reason they were at that address is because that's the home address he listed on his filing oapaer for DA. If he lied about his address, thats his problem. I don't agree with protesting at homes, but you are purposely spinning this one like always. Typical.
Yes he did live there
By adamg
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 11:38pm
And his *committee* uses that address. But I gather you don't believe his mother and so just kept on banging your buckets.
Poor Ricardo - he's really living in tight quarters now
By Hardy Har Har
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 2:01pm
From OCPF:
CANDIDATE & OFFICE INFORMATION
Office/District Sought: District Attorney, Suffolk District - Suffolk County (613)
Office/District Held: City Councilor, Boston (5035)
Party Affiliation: Democratic
Candidate Address: PO Box 365493 Boston, MA 02136
Gee
By eeka
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 4:57pm
I can't imagine why any Boston politician of color wouldn't want to publish the address where they actually lives with their family.
The reason they were at that address...
By tblade
Mon, 03/21/2022 - 11:57pm
...is because they are unhinged assholes. Fixed it for you.
I think Adam has a bias against unhinged assholes...that I fully support. It's OK to be biased against these assholes; try it some time. It's good for you.
I would argue
By Bostonperson
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 12:54am
That publishing these articles may even be helping their cause….whatever that may be.
Other than getting a rise out of people, what purpose does promoting a cause you don’t like serve other than promoting yourself?
I would have no idea they even exist if the media didn’t publish it. They would probably quiet down faster as well.
The mayor or any other politician should not need the protection of media. That’s a cabal.
I don't know.....
By mplo
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 4:28am
Ignoring these creeps will only give them more opportunity to continue to do their dirty work. These people are putting everybody else in danger, as well, and they get ignored at everybody else's peril, if one gets the drift.
Oh, this tired old non-argument
By lbb
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 8:45am
This is one of the non-arguments that are perennially made by those with no skin in the game. "You're just giving them what they want" "You're just making their point for them" "You're descending to their level" "Why not just go somewhere else away from [insert hate group name] and do something positive instead?" et cetera ad nauseam.
I have no doubt that the first sentence is true, and that the second is false. This has been proven over and over again.
"Neutrality favors the oppressor, not the oppressed. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented." - Elie Wiesel
Hmm….quote choice
By Bostonperson
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 11:31am
Our mayor is tormented? A victim?
Yes, everything you disagree with must be tired and old.
I live in Boston and do have skin in the game.
Really unbelievable you chose an Elie Wiesel quote, one of the great human rights activists in history, to defend a government. You should have included this one as well:
Wherever men or women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must—at that moment—become the center of the universe,†he said in his Nobel Peace Prize acceptance speech on Dec. 10, 1986.
Oh it's a GREAT quote choice
By lbb
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 11:43am
Really unbelievable you think Elie Wiesel was against government as such.
That's nice, dear. Relevance?
The sociopaths you're caping for are not persecuted. You're just being a chump.
You’re saying that’s nice dear to an Elie Wiesel quote
By Bostonperson
Tue, 03/22/2022 - 12:07pm
You continue to insult. I am not insulting you.
The relevance is a government trying to take away the rights of people to stand up for what they believe in.
I do not want to continue to invoke Elie Wiesel in this conversation if you would like to continue. It is a disservice to what he has done.
Keep reaching
By lbb
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 9:55am
No, I'm saying "That's nice, dear" to your irrelevant use of it in a transparent attempt to claim Wiesel's mantle in support of your spurious arguments about rights.
Tell me where you live. I will arrive in time for dinner and I will stand up for what I believe in in your dining room. Expect it to get loud.
You may not like it, but my use of the quote was exactly on point in response to your absurd attempt to make victims be silent in response to their abusers' misconduct. Sorry if it stings.
You’re welcome to keep defending those in power
By Bostonperson
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 1:21pm
Your use of the word victim is laughable. The mayor is not a victim and neither is her family or neighbors. We will have to agree to disagree on what a victimized person is because we clearly won’t get past that. If anyone feels victimized by people protesting, it is their own problem. A business owner getting their building burnt down by protesters or a person getting assaulted by protesters would be a victim.
I can’t stop you from defending those in power who try to abuse it to squash dissent and you’re welcome to keep going, as unfortunate as that may be. You don’t seem unintelligent, just maybe, as they say, willfully ignorant?
Laughable?
By lbb
Wed, 03/23/2022 - 3:14pm
What's laughable is your blind kneejerk defense of incoherent mouth-breathing spit-spraying haters as brave free speech warriors.
And I can't stop you from beating your dog, and you're welcome to keep going, as unfortunate as that may be. See how this works? You make shit up, I can make shit up too.
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