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Alleged Orange Line groper and alleged Green Line grinder arrested
By adamg on Tue, 07/13/2010 - 5:04pm
VelhoThe MBTA reports a Charlestown man was arrested for allegedly grabbing a woman's behind at Community College on the Orange Line on July 8 and that a Brighton man was arrested at Copley this morning for allegedly rubbing against a woman from behind on a B trolley - and then pinning her in and continuing to grind away.
In the Orange Line incident, John Velho, 36, allegedly grabbed a woman's buttocks around 6 p.m. on July 8, then immediately apologized. But he allegedly then followed the woman onto the platform, where she reported him to an inspector, who responded by ordering a halt to Orange Line service and calling police. Velho then fled from the station, the MBTA says, adding Velho was arrested today on a charge of indecent assault and battery.
In the Green Line incident, a woman said she was standing on the steps of a trolley near BU East during this morning's commute when she felt a man rubbing his genitals against her. She told police she tried to move away but that he managed to pin her in and kept rubbing away. At Hynes, she was able to turn around and began screaming at him. She exited the train at Copley and got an inspector, who immediately ordered the trolley locked up until police arrive.
According to a police report, Sasha Pave of Brighton denied the accusation and said the woman "was crazy." Like Velho, he was charged with indecent assault and battery.
Innocent, etc.
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Youk!?
Youk!?
Youk?! I mean, didn't know he
Youk?! I mean, didn't know he was that upset about not making the AS team...
Who's "Pave"?
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Pave is Sasha Pave of
Pave is Sasha Pave of Brighton, the Green Line offender. Pave earned a little extra attention from the arraigning judge in Brighton District Court this morning by stating that said judge had no authority to order him off MBTA transportation while his case is pending, lest his bail be revoked. We'll see who wins that dispute.
Sasha Pave?
No comment. Although I wish I could.
What he said
Sorry for leaving his first name out.
A little bit like revoking an indicted legislator's pension
before he's been convicted of a crime.
We know who won that dispute.
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/201...
But I suppose there's a public safety exemption for these kind of pretrial conditions, seeing as some people are denied bail entirely.
I guess the difference is
I guess the difference is that the legislator isn't saying that the judge has no authority to reinstate the pension and should abide by the prior, non-judicial, decision.
Indeed the cases are probably more different
than similar- alike only in that they both seem based to a certain extent on a presumption of guilt and could be argued to create a hardship for the defendants.
No, I get it -- and you could
No, I get it -- and you could even make the argument that, as with a pension, a taxpayer has paid into the MBTA. I only meant to note that the judge has the authority by statute to impose pre-trial restrictions on a person's travel while free on bail.
While it sounds like this guy
While it sounds like this guy is a sleezeball, and probably deserves what he gets, It seems like there's a double standard where people accused of traffic crimes (even serious ones like DWI or vehicular manslaughter are regularly allowed to continue driving until (and sometimes after) conviction because taking away their driving privileges is considered too much of a hardship. If this guy doesn't have a car, the T may be how he gets to work, and it seems like depriving him of that is a pretty serious infringement on his rights until he's convicted.
I don't want to construe this in ANY way as blaming the victim, but damn, I would have been screaming bloody murder and whaling away on anyone who tried to pin me in a corner.
I was on that Green line train this morning
...but was too far to see the antics. However, I did hear the woman calling him out, and was glad that she made a loud fuss in a public place rather than allowing herself to be a victim. Nearly as despicable as the alleged crime was the reaction of other passengers on the train. A number of people loudly whined and complained "Let's just go!" "I'm late!" as we were stopped at Copley. I'd much rather be 10 minutes late then continue to ride with a pervert. If we don't want harassment on the trains, we'll have to accept that dealing with it is sometimes inconvenient.
F*$(#kheads
So glad that these brave women are willing and able to call these bozos out on their disgusting behavior and get them off the T.
What is Pave's first name?
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Think these fine fellows will do much time, Pete?
I noticed you weighed in on Joe Joyce's chances the other day. Same assessment?
Maybe a little different here.
The Scituate guy as far as I know has just been caught for his first two sexual crimes. He might plead guilty to a lesser sexual offense and be required to register as a sex offender. Still a serious thing where he may do 1-3 months and then be required to get some mental health help.
Without getting too specific (And I don't know to much about the other two guys), but lets say one of them is already registered as a sex offender, and/or has been convicted or charged with previous crimes like this in the past, then you might be looking at longer time in prision. I'd say 1-2 years if the victim agrees to go to trail.
those kooky
those kooky heterosexuals....what'll they think of next?
Puppetmaster?
He looks like Doyle the Puppetmaster from Heroes.
Damn Townie perverts.........
Damn Townie perverts.........
Adam: nothing on the ABC
Adam: nothing on the ABC Inspector from Melrose who was arrested today??? Come will ya......
A blogger's work is never done
Just posted.
Green line?
BU East to Hynes? Those three stops during the morning rush can take up to twenty minutes to get through, especially when you get to Kenmore where trains routinely sit for a couple of minutes before they're allowed to proceed. I don't care how "pinned" the woman was, you can't really expect anyone who's ever ridden that line to believe that she waited that long to start yelling at this guy.(not to mention the fact that it took him that long to get his end away.) Sounds more like Sasha has himself a girlfriend problem. I smells me a rat. As usual, henpecked until proven guilty.
I agree w/ya, this story
I agree w/ya, this story smells very fishy. She felt this dude "grinding" her, but she said nothing at all for 3 stops and just stood there all this time?? How many of you would tolerate a stranger grinding your ass for 15 minutes? You would either get off the train or start cussing away. Why didn't she get the hell off the train? Because he was holding on to the rail on either side and "blocked her in"? LOL. Oh wait, she confronts the guy, but then stays on board w/him until the next stop! Yeah, right. The next time you're the schmuck that's pressed against another rider during rush hour (in a moving train that bobs around on the tracks), YOU might be arrested too! Do you folks realize the crime this dufus is charged with carries 5 years in jail?? They are hammering him with indecent assault and battery, which is typically used to go after doctors groping patients during ob/gyn exams or the babysitter fondling a kid. Both of those instances are very serious malicious crimes that deserve jail time. But being on a crowded train and going to jail for bumping into someone for twenty minutes? WTF is this world coming to... Maybe the guy is a perv, who knows, but maybe he's just a moron who was in the wrong place at the wrong time, next to some craaazy lady w/some seriously strange story. But, hey, let's lock him up (at taxpayer expense) just in case.
All valid questions
Which is why there will be a trial if the DA feels there is enough evidence, can get an indictment, and the guy doesn't simply plead out.
Let the judical process proceed.
I find it more fishy...
that the two most vociferous arguments for the accused come from anons. What's the matter, fellas, get lost on your way in from the Herald page or just nostalgic for the days of playing Green Line grabass with your recently arrested buddy on the way home from Fenway? As packed as those trains are, decorum and outright discomfort would preclude anyone from rubbing up against another person for 20 minutes at a time. And what's the statute of limitations on calling out a groper? Do you make noise after five minutes, when it may have only been a bump, or 10, 15? Frankly, the woman's within her rights to call attention to the situation at any point during the ride. The only thing "fishy" is how this jackass didn't realize his target was getting visibily agitated. If convicted, it would serve him right to get the full five-year sentence.
I'm still trying to figure out how this crime
justifies fully stopping Orange Line service when the perp got off the train and exited the station.