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Roslindale school could go K-8 despite years of assertions by BPS that Roslindale schools were too small for that

The School Committee is considering making the Haley School a K-8 school, a move some parents fear could undercut plans for an innovative feeder program in which Roslindale fifth graders at six schools were given higher priority for seats at the Irving Middle School.

In both cases, the goal is to prevent a sometimes confusing and even agonizing choice for Roslindale parents who select a small K-5 school for their children - and who then might have to go through three different schools in three years if they try for one of the exam schools - elementary, one year in a middle school and then an exam school.

Several years ago, many parents simply gave up and pulled their kids out of BPS, especially when the area's only middle school, the Irving, routinely made the weekly police blotter in the local newspaper.

School officials said that unlike in neighboring West Roxbury, Roslindale schools were too small to allow for expansion into K-8 schools. BPS hired a new principal for the Irving and came up with the "K-8 Pathway" program.

The Haley was one of the schools in the program. Some parents at the remaining schools now worry that the money and resources required to add three grades to the Haley will take away from their program with the Irving.

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Hi Adam! This is really an idea generated by the Haley School community which we enthusiastically support. Check out the video produced by teachers and families about their idea to become a fully-inclusive K-8 program, which they presented to the School Committee a few weeks ago. The key here is that students with disabilities want and deserve a way to remain in inclusive settings all the way through high school. It's the right way to go academically for all students -- those with special needs and those in general education settings. We're working to do expand these types of programs and options for students all across the city and as we do, we are continuing to work with the Irving to strengthen the pathway that's working well. Here's the video:
http://blip.tv/bpstelevision/haley-elementary-scho...

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Why not simply design inclusive programs at the Irving? As it stands now, the program at the Haley is great, if you win the lottery and go there, but the vast majority of Roslindale students will not be going there for sixth grade. The Haley folks speak of inclusion, but it's new speak for exclusion. They are excluding their students from the larger system. It is a bit like a stealth charter school in that regard.

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Well, the BPS was very focused on inclusion across all schools in the coming years last I knew. To argue that inclusion is the driving force for the Haley in particular seems disingenuous. The Conley has more SPED students I believe at least proportionately, but those kids are SOL?

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The Conley joined the Inclusive Schools Network just this year!

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it will lose its library next year to make room for an extra kindergarten class. I've heard that the Haley expansion will initially involve a satellite class at the Rodgers. Why not use this extra space at the Rodgers for the new K-2 class, instead of eliminating the Conley's library? The Haley 6th graders could no doubt find space at the Irving. The school committee is blind to larger systemic issues in order to reward flashy video presentations. That's very nice Lee.

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If most BPS schools will be operating on the inclusion model in the next few years, there's no reason that the Haley needs additional resources to serve the needs of these kids particularly. Roslindale needs more K1 capacity more than a k-8 in my opinion.

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How many children in the BPS are classified as special needs which aren't? Has there been any independent verification of the numbers?

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I think it's more common, at least with kids I've worked with, that they deny services to kids who really need them. I've sat in on evals where the evaluator was not a licensed clinician, didn't appear to understand much about standardized testing, and was passing the child on items where the behavior required for a pass just did not remotely happen.

They also are frequently in trouble for violating federal laws around providing evaluations requested by the parent and for not considering evaluations done by outside clinicians (federal law says they have to consider these). They've been known to just not do the eval and say that they are short-staffed or the secretary doing the intake doesn't feel it's necessary (based on who knows what?)

Many of these families get frustrated and move to the suburbs, are evaluated there, and qualify for a crapload of services.

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if you produce a nice video by parents supporting a K-8 expansion, is what it takes to get one approved? Because for years, the parents of six other Roslindale schools were told by the superintendent in 2008 and 2009 that BPS had no budget and no capacity to make any of the K-5 elementary schools into K-8s. The only possibility was creating the Roslindale K-8 pathway, in which the Roslindale elementary school students get priority assignment at the Irving Middle School. The, the superintendent and BPS management created a parent advisory group composed of parents from all schools to work together on community, bridge building and sharing of resources. These parents have been working hard to create this pathway and nurture it, only to be informed this week that if you make a supportive video about your school and get some school committee members and city councilors on your side, you too can have a K-8 school. Where does this leave the K-8 pathway and the students in it? Wouldn't it make more sense to provide inclusion at the Irving for all of the special ed students who need it instead of just at the Haley?

On top of this, there are a number of schools that BPS has targeted for expansion from K-5 to K-8s, due to the new assignment process. That expansion has been put on hold due to budget issues. Why does the Haley get preference over these schools in more underserved neighborhoods? Every kid deserves a good school BPS seems to have institutional amnesia.

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This report is correct: when parents at Roslindale elementary schools pushed BPS to establish K8 options in Roslindale (after EVERY school in West Roxbury had been transformed into K-8s), Carol Johnson and her leadership team told us it could not be done, because none of our schools were large enough. This kind of repeated duplicity, hypocrisy, two-faced talk (call it what you will) from BPS administrators over the years makes parents trust Court Street less and less.

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Can we assume that these same students and their families will be producing "we are the Haley II" video in three years from now before the current 5th grade enters high school?

All snark aside, BPS has put Haley programming at the head of the queue not only for Rozzi families, but in front of the entire district as well. There are schools where safety issues fail to be addressed, but there are somehow time and resources available to expand this school at the whim of the parents there? One parent has said, "BPS has a year to find us a new building." Until then the 6th grade and the required staff will be at the Rogers. What a bunch of entitled crap.

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In reality, this goes well beyond Roslindale to a larger issue and injustice for the families of Roxbury, Dorchester, and throughout Boston that were promised K-8 and priority status for their schools to receive much needed repairs, supplies (etc) on March 13, 2013 when the Boston School Committee (BSC) members voted to approve the new “Home Based A” model for school assignment and then, five days later, at the March 18th Budget Hearing were told by BPS officials that actually there would be no K-8 conversion for their schools due to lack of funding (despite the $30 million additional money promised by Mayor Menino to BPS to help with Level 3 schools which the Haley is not).

The six schools which were promised K-8 conversion are:
Blackstone Elementary
Mattahunt Elementary
Condon Elementary
Tynan Elementary
Hennigan Elementary
Trotter Elementary

What wasn't said at the March 18th meeting was that BPS was also scrambling to place over 300 students with special needs at the Kindergarten (0-2) levels and therefore also needed to find 70 additional classrooms. This action was taken due to a lawsuit by families of young children with special needs when BPS failed to evaluate them per state and federal special education “child-find” laws.

To date the budget has not been infused with any more money. BPS has only found 35 of the 70 classrooms needed to convert for Kindergarten - taking away rooms used for art, science, music, libraries, etc from elementary schools across the city in order to create them.

A bit of background: the Roslindale Pathway was formed because all the Roslindale schools and families (encompassing the entire West Zone) who had been lobbying for a K-8 in Roslindale for quite a few years were told that none of the schools could be converted to K-8 due to facilities issues, money and loss of seats for children throughout the city. Instead the Roslindale K-8 Pathway was formed which was a reasonable and fair solution that would allow our children a cohesive elementary - middle school experience. This solution would not satisfy parents from one school only, but hopefully parents from all six schools, as long as they worked together.

Fourteen parents, the Roslindale Pathway Advisory Group (RPAG), came together in the spring of 2009 and did something incredible. They changed the assignment priorities for the first time since busing. Since then we have worked with very little support from Court Street to build something wonderful in our community. We have met more than FIFTY times over the course of the past four-plus years. We have met with principals, administrators and parents throughout not only Roslindale, but the entire city to explain the pathway and what we were doing. We spent countless hours planning Pathway expansion, promotion and events and have worked tirelessly as cheerleaders at our elementary schools to encourage families to make the Irving their first choice for 6th grade. We have been successful. We do this on our own time, year-round, as parents and community members to strengthen the quality of education in Boston's public schools for all of the students. We took what we were told was the ONLY solution and have made it work. The enrollment numbers have grown and changed at the Irving over the past 4 years, we are no longer blotter-fodder for the papers either. Our Pathway was held up as a model for the new assignment process which was approved by the BSC also, so pathways are part of the new assignment model.

A few months ago Haley Pilot School parents (part of the Roslindale K-8 Pathway) started lobbying BPS to convert to a K-8 as an "inclusion model" school. The RPAG members and the Irving staff were told that BPS would not be approving the Haley’s request for several reasons: the two mentioned above as well as the fact that though the Haley and BPS state that the school is an inclusion model, they actually do not fit the criteria of a true inclusion school as they only take children with minimal special education needs who won’t need much out-of-class time at all (less than 20%) so can more easily become part of the general education classroom (the Mozart has the same population of SWD and one teacher per class with no extra teachers or sub-separate programming except our PDD-NOS strand, and combine push-in aka inclusion and pull-out services for students - yet they are not designated as "inclusive"). Yes, the Hayley has a few classrooms with two teachers, one who is dual-certified in special education, in them, but this does not equate to a true inclusion model school – if that is the case, then Urban Science Academy (USA) High School MUST be an inclusion school also (USA has two teachers in EVERY 9th and 10th grade classroom with at least one who is special education certified, but no, it is not an inclusion school anymore than the Haley is). BPS encouraged the Haley community to work with Arthur Unobskey (Irving principal), the BPS staff, myself and some of the top specialists in the field whom I would pull in (pro-bono as favors to me personally) to create an inclusion strand at the Irving. Unfortunately, the Haley parents and principal said that the only way they would accept “inclusion” was if we got rid of all of our ELL, sub-separate programs for SWD, and AWC classes at the Irving. As that is not inclusive in any way that the Irving, RPAG or I want to be associated with, we declined to do so, but continued to attempt to work with the Haley and offered other ideas.

Instead, the Haley parents who were advocating for the K-8 and the principal, Angel Charles, filmed a video (which is partially shot at the Irving, FYI) and presented it at school committee two weeks ago begging to be converted to a K-8. As the mother of three children with special needs myself, one of whom is autistic with other co-morbid diagnosis, I understand and sympathize with these parents worry since there were no programs at all for my son (now 24) who went through BPS prior to inclusion, ABA and other great programs, but I don’t understand the unwillingness to work with those who want to create something beneficial for all of the children, not just their own or a select few.

There are several injustices here:

1) How is the Haley (a top tier school) able to jump the line before not only all the schools that are under-performing which were promised conversion, but also all the schools with facilities still waiting for repairs, supplies etc? This means those students we were told the External Advisory Committee (EAC) and BSC were trying to ensure were at the front of the line for improvements are once again being run over;

2) As they will lose seats, conversion will mean even LESS seats for the lower grades = even less access to a quality school than before for families and further perpetuating the issue of other schools across the city giving up their “elective” classrooms; considering that BPS is scrambling for seats for Kindergarten - 2nd grade students, how is this justified?;

3) Where is the money coming from for this - and no, not from the Haley board – and why isn't it being used as promised for those who have waited much longer?

It will be interesting to see how this all comes out as word of this spreads to all the other school communities and families affected by this decision by BPS to allow a school to jump the line. The assumption is that BSC will schedule a vote on the proposal to convert the Haley to a K-8, which is the actual procedure that should be followed (proposal at one meeting, vote at a later meeting after discussion, community input and suggestions are heard), for their July 31, 2013 school committee meeting. I wonder how many emails, letters, and people will show up for that meeting?

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I was a parent at the Haley before/during its transistion to a Pilot school and took part in the early steps of creating the Rosi K-8 Pathway program. When my child began school nearly a decade ago, I was a proponent of making the Haley a K-8...but it eventually became clear to me how inequitable and disruptive that would be, given the present realities of budget and program access.

I cherish the early education my child recieved at the Haley - the school is filled with great teachers and staff, and wonderful kids. Many Haley families are admirably invested in the success of their kids and of the school. But sometimes that's been paired with an uncomfortable thread of entitlement (both within the parent community and the administration), and keeping perspective on what's best for the Haley's students and what's best for all the city's students has sometimes been a challenge (one not always met).

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If there are other schools that have been waiting longer how come the Haley automatically gets what they want? Is the safety of students at other schools no longer a priority? Now not only is BPS not going to grant the requests of those that have waited longer but it's now going to have to spend more money hiring and finding teachers, finding a new building, making the building be something a school could use, and then they have to somehow find students to go to the school. Why make the Haley a K-8 school if it's only going to use money that could be better spent in other ways?

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I'm a sixth grade student at the Washington Irving. When I first started at the Irving I'll admit it was a bit overwhelming. But really the Irving is a good school that offers lots of opportunities for students to find their voice or find something they are good at. At the Irving you have Monday-Thursday a nine hour school day. The school day goes from 7:25-4:05.

I know that these hours are a lot but only half of the days is academics. There are six blocks a day. Each day you have math, ELA, and Science or History(these are only half a year) and then you have a specialty. At the Irving they have Theater, dance, visual arts, gym, and avid. There is also ESL and a way to have extra help with ELA or math during this time. Next year there will also be wood shop.

That's your normal day but after those four classes you have fifth and sixth block. IN fifth block you have academic league. In Academic League you have study hall, and play school related games. Then for sixth block you get to chose a class that you want to take. You can choose a sport like Basketball, Rugby, football, baseball, softball, or swimming. You can also choose a class like Mock Trial, or acting. There are so many different types of enrichment at the Irving that everyone has a chance to find something they're interested in.

And then the best part is Friday. It's just one word but everyone loves Fridays-especially when you get out at 11:40. And if you aren't sure how you feel about your kid just hanging out in the square on Fridays the Irving has intramural sports on Friday.

The Irving really is a great school. Despite the 80 minute classes I think that I got to do a lot of stuff I wouldn't have been able to do other wise. I learned how to play tennis and I don't think you'll be able to do that at the haley. The Irving offers a change in environment, a chance to meet new friends, and a chance to try something new that you wouldn't be able to try other wise. On top of all that I have learned more in those eighty minute classes than I would learn in any forty five minute class. And with the Haley being a K-8 school how do you plan to get all of your students? Most people are fine with sending their kids to the Irving despite the untrue rumors.

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Concise, informative, engaging. Top notch writing!

As a parent, I'll admit to some concerns when my child first started there - the school's old reputation left a lot to be desired. But Prinipal Unobskey and his staff have really made great strides in a just a few short years - and the students have as well. There've been a few hiccups with the extended day program, but all in all it's been surpisingly effective and worthwhile. It's really enhanced the education - the lives - of the students.

I am so proud of the improvements at the Irving, and of the great kids (like you) at the school. Go Warriors!

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Well written, no disputing the argument, but written by a 6th grader?? Sorry, I don't believe it. Nice try mom or dad.

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written by an Irving sixth grader. Way to go, Irving warrior!

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I have to respond to this. I am a BPS teacher, and I have no doubt that this was written by a sixth grader. Many of our students, including many of those at the Irving, are thoughtful, capable kids who can absolutely express well-conceived points of view on issues of concern to them. While I imagine that parents pointed the student to the website, I am certain that the student wrote this. Kudos to him or her, and I hope that the student keeps writing even (especially?) in the face of criticism like this.

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who is completing the sixth grade next week. Time to drop the stereotypes much? If you aren't involved in the schools, you might not realize the great work being done in them. I'm very proud of my daughter and extremely pleased by the education she has received through BPS.

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Wanted to respond even before I saw it was your daughter - and yes - I figured a 6th grader could write this - although depending on the kid a little editorial or grammar assistance may have been in order. No matter - Couple of points:

1) Please ask her to keep writing out here - we adults argue pro and con about lots of things - but this kind of first person viewpoint adds more to the discussion than any of us can provide.

2) Please thank her for me - as you know - I am a bit schizophrenic about the BPS - and it kind of all came into focus after reading her post. Systemically BPS has all kinds of failures. But on an individual basis there are all kinds of successes.

Now if we could just figure out what that secret sauce is - especially for the less privileged in BPS that succeed in spite of all the forces that conspire against them.

You go Henry's Daughter!

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I guess I should thank you for thinking that my mom or dad wrote that. And yes believe it or not I am in sixth grade-at least for one more week that is. You can thank the wonderful teachers I've had at the Bates, Conley, and Irving. All of which are pathway schools. And yes my mom told me to put that last part in. So once again thank you for thinking my writing was at a higher level than it actually is.

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Many of our Irving students write very well, maybe you should also see the article printed in the Boston Globe that was written by a different Irving 6th grade student last December: http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2012/12/27/grad...

Despite the bad press and poor leadership that led to the Irving's former reputation, our current Principal, Arthur Unobskey, staff at the Irving and parents have worked tirelessly over the past 4 years to increase the quality of the education that our students' receive. These two examples of writing from our 6th graders are testaments to their parents' and the school's partnership in ensuring that all students receive the highest quality education.

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But some children are more equal than others.

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