House of Blues shut after three overdoses, one fatal, early this morning

Molly? If so, another Myley Cyrus disgrace.

Though even she couldn't keep Helen Hunt from crashing through a closed window.

I want to correct folks, because I don't believe having miss information out there about drugs. While I agree it is to easy to 'cut' something else, its seldom done. Back in the day (when I was a raver in a former life) we used to think methamphetamine was put into our MDMA pills because we would get a 'speedy' effect and wouldn't notice the decreased amount of MDMA in the pill. This was 100% untrue. Why? Methamphetamine is just too expensive to put enough in a pill mixed with MDMA so you'd notice it (Methamphetamine effects decrease when taken orally due to it not liking stomach acids). The speedy effect was just a side effect of MDMA, nothing more, nothing less.

As far as today's "Molly" being mixed with other chemicals... Now outside of a stupid drug user who doesn't know what real molly looks like and/or what other drugs look like, it would be unlikely that mixed with someone else. Real MDMA crystals are typically large chunks that have to be crushed into a powder to be administered. If it was 'mixed' into the crystals, you'd know just by looking at it. And to get the other drugs into into the hard crystals, you would need to 'cook it' together with MDMA and that is just not possible because the added substance would be an impurity and may not allow the crystals to be formed (taking a wild guess here)

Let's clarify something.. Bath Salts are NOT Methylone or Mephadrone. Bath Salts in the US, chemically, are known as MDPV. MDPV by description, yes it's powder, but lacks the hard white crystals like true MDMA/Molly.

Methylone is bk-MDMA chemically. Which essentially means its an analogue of MDMA. Almost same effects, but not quite. Methylone by description is actually a brown/tan substance that is more powder than it is crystals.

Mephedrone is something totally different. Effect wise, it may feel like a 'softer' MDMA, but chemically its totally different. And like its cousin Methylone, it also is a tan/brown powder substance, like Methylone.

Users often get Methylone and Mephedrone mixed it because they look so similar. But most users say the effects are very similar to each other and to MDMA, except it's very short lived (about an hour and a half) and has "more-ish" properties (aka The feeling to keep doing more of it)

People also confuse Mephedrone, Methylone, and now MDPV because if you Google "Bath Salts" not only do you get the crazy stories from last year (i.e. the guy in Florida who ripped off someone's face while on MDPV) to stories from the mid 2000s in Europe where people talk about "meow meow" or "bath salts" which really isn't MDPV but is Methylone and Mephedrone. So the term "Bath Salts" can be erogenous sometimes depending on where your information is coming from. Keep that in mind when calling something "Bath Salts".

Now of course this whole thing goes out the window when "Molly" is put into capsules (Clear or not clear). Because frankly, most drug users I knew who bought their drugs at a club aren't going to go into the bathroom to look at their capsule in the light to see if it looks like Molly. No, they are going to just take it.

Even still if the capsule had bk-MDMA or Mephedrone mixed with MDMA (or by itself sans MDMA), it wouldn't hurt you. Erowid has many stories about people mixing the two and achieving quite desired effects. Taking these seperate wouldn't hurt you either.

Now having it mixed with MDPV might cause this, but you'd have to take a lot to achieve this, however since most street drugs aren't know for their purity, and in some cases a small dose of MDPV can be 'too much' because the purity can vary from batch to batch.

We honestly don't know and won't know until the tox screen comes back to find out exactly what the people had in their system. And considering that they did not know each other, I'd take a gander it might have been other factors rather than some rouge drug dealer at the HoB selling bunk Molly.

The other thing to keep in mind is that many people take SSRI/SNRI's these days, along with amphetamine salts (legal ones like Adderall and Ritalin) and you CANNOT take these with MDMA, bk-MDMA, and Mephedrone because they all attack the same receptors in the brain, and frankly too much of a 'good' thing isn't good for the brain at all. Typically if you're taking a prescription SSRI/SNRI, you should not take ANYTHING that attacks these same receptors, as they will just cancel each other out or achive undesirable effects, including death. Think about it, SSRI/SNRI/Legal Amphetamines's regulate the same receptors. The SSRI is controlling the flow of serotonin, the other is telling it "let it flow". Combine that with impurities in the street drug and it makes for a bad combination.

There's also one drug that I want to bring up here that hasn't been mentioned in this thread yet that could cause the same outcome. There's a relatively new psychedelic out there called (as told to me) "I Bone 25" or "25i" or "iLSD" or some other new name. Chemically it's apart of the 2C-? class of phenethylamine, and chemically is known as 25i-NBOMe or 2C-I-NBOMe. While the effects are similar to LSD, it's not even chemically close and it lasts far longer, and unlike LSD, can cause death, much like the woman at the HOB. It's also legal still in the US and can be bought online, as it has not been classified by the DEA (but many states have already banned it).

And yes, I've known many folks who take psychedelics and go out to night clubs (I have no idea why, back in the day, I didn't wanna be near anyone while tripping). 25i is just too potent and people tend to take too much on their first dose because they don't know that you only need a small amount.

It will be interesting to see if the BPD releases how or what this girl was on when she died. (Sorry, I'm weird like that). I'm pretty sure it was either a mix of booze and MDMA, Bunk MDMA (i.e. Mixed with something else) or an entirely different drug like 25i.

And yeah incase anyone was wondering... Since I no longer use street drugs, I still like to read about them and the effects of them. Friends call me a walking street drug encyclopedia. I'm not for or against drug use, I am, however, a fan of harm reduction, because it's silly to think you'll be able to eradicate drug use in society. It will just never happen.

OK The article on boston.com was updated.

Now BPD says it was MDMA. Sorry still don't buy that it was this drug alone. We will now wait for the tox screen. I'm thinking dollars to donuts that she had something else in her system besides MDMA or it wasn't MDMA at all.

Its extremely rare for someone to drop dead from MDMA, however, it does happen. It is very very very rare tho. And usually its a combination of other drugs (street or prescription), and/or the person has an underlying medical condition (i.e Heart Problems or Allergies to additives/other the street drugs)

So we shall see what the tox screen says.