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Police: 3 Molly victims didn't buy drugs in House of Blues
By adamg on Wed, 09/04/2013 - 1:20pm
The Globe reports on a Boston Licensing Board hearing on the fatal and two non-fatal ODs at the Fenway music hall.
You'll also see reports on the evening news tonight.
Meanwhile, around 10:15 this morning, police had to block traffic in the area of Dorchester Avenue and Adams Street in Dorchester so an ambulance could get to a woman suffering an apparent drug overdose on Dorchester Avenue. However, she did not appear to have consumed a trendy drug in a popular venue, so you probably won't hear any more about her case.
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3 ODs
Wow, look at how many Heroin OD's we have each week!
What victims?
Unless somebody slipped Molly into their drinks, these people voluntarily put medicine into their bodies that was not prescribed to them by a doctor.
These are not victims, these are adults who gambled and lost.
So by LaTulipian logic,
So by LaTulipian logic, passengers in airplane crashes not victims, but people who gambled and lost.
What you just stated
May be the dumbest logic I have ever heard in my life.
Your comment makes sense,
Your comment makes sense, except that airplanes only cruise at 35,000 and there's no telling how high you get on junk you buy on the street.
Airline travel is monitored
Airline travel is monitored and regulated by the U.S. and local government agencies, as are food and medications. Street drugs, not so much. Until the government starts regulating and taxing Molly, your argument is invalid. And every action assumes some risk, but thanks to regulation by an outside agency, risk is minimized, not eliminated.
As sad as it is..
I agree. Sorry, no one is forcing them to take drugs, they did so willingly, and people by this age should know the risks of taking drugs where you don't know where they came from.
Where's the personal responsibility in folks? So now we blame the club? really? unless the club was dishing them out by a paid employee, there's zero grounds here at all.
Harm Reduction Folks.. we need to teach it instead of "just say no", otherwise this crap is gonna keep happening.
Similar
To bike riders. If you don't want to get hit by a car, don't bike near them.
Bullshit
If you want the PRIVILEGE of driving, you should be able to DRIVE without hitting other vehicles which are being operated legally - INCLUDING BIKES. Otherwise you should have your keys and license and car impounded.
Similar
to bikers who run red light, or do you guys operate with immunity to all laws?
Which causes more fatalities
Drivers running red lights or cyclists running red lights?
Answer: DRIVERS.
And, the idiots on bikes who run red lights are mostly killing their own stupid selves. Drivers running red lights kill pedestrians and cyclists and other drivers (t-bone accidents).
Talk about addictions...
.....some of us are addicted to talking about bikes vs. cars.
HOW THE FUCK
DID WE GO FROM TALKING ABOUT DRUG REGULATION TO TALKING ABOUT BIKES RUNNING RED LIGHTS
JESUS
if I may add to the list...
: ignoring height restrictions on Storrow Drive, plowing into Dunkin Donuts or other brick and mortar structures, texting, hitting pedestrians, and so on and so forth.
Ahh...no.
Riding a bike is a legal activity. Hitting a bike with your car is not. But thanks for playing!
8 whole posts...
...before bikes were mentioned, c'mon people, you just aren't trying!
Nice try, but you're trying
Nice try, but you're trying to compare something within your control (willfully ingesting a dangerous substance or not) and something out of your control (mechanical failure). Will is spot-on this time.
Agreed. Losers in this year's Darwin Awards
I mean, c'mon. If they took the stuff voluntarily, they need to own the result. Not my problem, until you start diverting first responder resources that should be taking care of legitimate emergencies rather than post-adolescent stupidity.
An avoidable problem
Sure, taking street drugs is stupid. The bigger picture is that the Reagan administration was absolutely stupid, too.
This is a classic example of how taking a safe drug and making it illegal for stupid moralistic reasons will result in an unsafe drug that fools kill themselves with. Same thing happened with adulterated alcohol during prohibition.
Also, OD is probably ignorant - I'm betting on "poisoned" by either something that wasn't the drug they thought they were getting or by shit thrown in.
Ha ha ha
Because alchahol is "safe," right? Ha! None of this is good for you. It is all just bad in different ways. That said, it should all be brought out of the black market and regulated.
Yeah, let's legalize ecstasy.
Yeah, let's legalize ecstasy. What a moron. Stay off the drugs chief, because you're not thinking clearly.
I don't take drugs thanks
Why not legalize ecstacy and regulate it? Has prohibition of ecstacy prevented anyone from getting it that wants to get it? No, but what it has done is allow Ecstacy to be manufactured, distributed, advertised, and sold without any oversight whatsoever (except of course by criminals). Ecstacy is undoubtedly harmful, and perhaps even chemically addictive (I have no idea). But the fact is that it is being consumed regardless of the fact that it is outlawed. It would be much better to - at a minimum - require true, accurate, and complete advertisement of Ecstacy and its ill effects than to allow its current advertisement by criminal organizations, drug dealers, and by whatever people happen to believe by word of mouth. I highly doubt that the 19 year old girl who over dosed on that drug (Ecstacy or otherwise) purchased or consumed the drug with complete information conerning what could happen to her (much less that the drug was even what she was told it was by the seller). This is not to excuse her decision. It was a poor decision to take drugs to begin with and certainly to take a drug without information regarding its effect. That said, it is more irresponsible of us as a society to pretend that drugs aren't taken because we have a prohibition on them and allow them to be sold by criminals.
Dangerousness ratings for drugs
In the UK, Dr. David Nutt devised a rating scale that took into account social dangerousness, medical issues, addition possibility, etc. and had both drug enforcement and addiction and public health professionals rate popular drugs for their overall dangerousness.
http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/P...(10)61462-6/abstract
You can access the entire article for free if you set up a login.
Key figures from this and other work:
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I cannot LIKE this post anymore!!!
I've trying to find this diagram but I could not remember the name! Every time I read these "molly" posts I want to post this because MDMA really is harmless when compared to other drugs, especially Alcohol!
You're Welcome
My apologies if the link didn't fully render - it does cut-and-paste into your browser. There is a log-in required, but no paywall. If you sign in, you can download it as a .pdf (and get access to a lot of other articles that the Lancet decides to not make people pay for).
And if you want a truly dangerous drug, with unintentional overdoses causing more than 25% of liver failure cases, try some Tylenol
Does that chart mean....
Using LSD twice a week is safer than having 2 beers every other day of the week (8 beers)?
Or is it about the amount of medical damage/costs associated with each drug.
Yup...
Further proof that my friends who get themselves into hysterics about people that smoke the pot while they themselves imbibe to excess on the regular are fools. This coming from someone who prefers booze to weed, but also recognizes the insane toll alcohol takes on the individual user and society at large.
Hmm.. interesting, but
Wait, this seems to have flaws...
Like, if you cannot legally test someone's blood for drugs other than alcohol, say, after a crime has been committed, then how does anyone accurately measure "harm to others?" as a result of drugs?
Yeah, what was in that powder?
> I'm betting on "poisoned" by either something that wasn't the drug they thought they were getting or by shit thrown in.
I hope we hear what it was. A cluster of ODs from pure MDMA doesn't sound right.
It is highly highly HIGHLY
It is highly highly HIGHLY unlikely that a person would actually OD on MDMA, it often causes dehydration but it isn't actually all that dangerous
Serotonin Syndrome
MDMA could be really dangerous if you also happened to be on another drug affecting the serotonin pathway, say like common antidepressants (MAOIs, SSRIs, SNRIs), anti-migraine drugs (Triptans), or even common antihistamines (like Chlor-Trimeton). Certain herbal compounds (St. Johns Wort, Ginseng, Yohimbe, yes, even Nutmeg) can also have an interaction.
Taking any of these drugs in combination is potentially dangerous, and can result in serotonin syndrome. All of them work together to rapidly increase the amount of serotonin in your brain and your bloodstream, with the end result that accellerate your heart rate and raise your body temperature so that you cook yourself from the inside, accompanied by seizures and kidney failure. It's not a pretty way to go.
It's not necessary that the MDMA be contaminated with anything -- these kids could have OD'ed through adverse drug interactions.
Victims
only if the drugs were tainted or mis-represented. As long as the buyer received what they were promised, then they were willing participants and are most certainly not victims.
A willing, adult buyer and seller of "druuuuuuuugs" is the definition of a victimless crime.
come on
sure there were more heroin ODs in Boston over the weekend.. but hey when a 19 year old college attending female dies.... well that is a tragedy. it is not about personal responsibility you see. No that is for the nameless reckless males who also OD'd that we do not hold up as tragedies. They are males, they are reckless and know better. But when this 19 year old while college attending female dies, that is a risk to all white college attending females everywhere, and of course it is not her fault, no she could not have known that ingesting a drug bought from sketchy dude could have bad consequences. Nor can we blame her parents for not teaching her the dangers of this drug.
No, it has to be the police department's fault, they should have been in that club! somehow that would have helped!
I'm not even sure
what you are saying. You seem to be saying blame the deceased young woman AND blame her parents, but don't blame anyone else (like, say a drug dealer). I don't quite get that logic. She AND her parents are simultaneously responsible for this tragedy!
Look folks, don't be obtuse. When the media reports that a 19 year old died, it's a story because it's unusual. When you find out it's a drug overdose, people are interested. "what drug?!" they wonder.
Then the police and the DA's office investigate, but generally do not release the details to the media. For reasons why this isn't always released, see the previous comments.
So then the licensing board, who DOESN'T know what happened, calls a freaking hearing to figure it out. The licensing board is concerned with say... a drug dealer acting in concert (excuse the pun) with the venue or manager (say selling without issue for a fee). The House of Blues then turns to the police investigation to explain what happened.
Who exactly do you think is saying that it is the police's fault? The bar? the licensing board? all the freaked out parents of "white" college kids?
Adam
When did UH become the Herald comment section?
Time for registration and a vote down / hide overwhelmingly negative comments plug-in to the comment code.
not by a long shot
the lamest UH commentary is Shakespearean wit in comparison to comments on Boston.com or the Herald. But please Adam, NEVER sink so low as to run that network advertising I see on Boston.com about "this amazing trick insurance companies hate" or "the President's refi program." I actually saw a photo of Obama giving us the finger on Boston.com today.
Molly claims another victim
The Ocean Club in Quincy was closed for the season except for two special events in September but after 12 ODs this summer, the city suggested that they cancel them.
It's a sad, sad day in Quincy. This was the last year for the Ocean Club (aka Waterworks aka The Tent). 400 condos + retail space is taking its place. Construction will start early next spring.
RIP Waterworks
http://www.boston.com/yourtown/news/quincy/2013/09...