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Three shot, one repeatedly, outside South Boston bar
By adamg on Sat, 09/14/2013 - 12:24am
UPDATE: Boston Police report a third victim showed up in Jamaica Plain.
Around 12:20 a.m. in front of the Stadium Bar on Old Colony Avenue. Police found one victim there; about ten minutes after the shooting, the second victim showed up at Boston Medical Center.
The homicide unit was summoned because the man who managed to get to Boston Medical Center was in bad shape. Police, however, say he is expected to survive.
Based on where police placed their evidence cones, the shooting may have happened in the bar parking lot.
Police are looking for a black man, about 25, with dreadlocks and a do-rag, in a black hoodie with stripes, last seen running towards D Street.
Lindsay Tower reports:
Heard the whole thing. 10ish rounds fired.
Police brought in officers from other parts of the city to help with crowd control and to secure the crime scene.
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A TALE OF TWO CITIES
Which shooting will receive the attention of the media and police resources the shooting in South Boston or the shooting at Roxbury Crossing?
Which will overwhelmingly
Which will overwhelmingly receive more attention from uhub commenters: two human beings shot in South Boston or resistance to bike lanes in South Boston?
your comment is dead on and
your comment is dead on and sickening
I do
see your point... but both sides as well as those who are neutral have been equally commenting on the bike lane topics. Hard to imagine people have very different opinions when it comes to senseless gun violence... any pro-murder candidates running this year?
It really is sad that the 2 women shot at Roxbury Crossing story hasn't made it to Boston.com yet... maybe they are just waiting for more details so they can keep us well informed? ...HAH!
Why would you expect a
Why would you expect a shooting to receive a lot of discussion? I suspect everyone here is pretty much in agreement; shootings are bad. Now, there might be a little more disagreement about what to do about it, but this article is not about what to do about it, just about the shooting itself.
On the other hand, bike lanes are a controversial topic. Some drivers see bike lanes as threatening their way of life; likewise, some cyclists see drivers and lack of bike lanes threatening their way of life, or even their life itself. That leads to quite a lot of debate.
I'm just not sure why you'd expect to see as much discussion about gun violence. It's not something that there's much debate about (at least, directly about the violence itself), and I suspect for most people here it's a much more abstract threat; almost everyone here deals with drivers or cyclists on a daily basis, while very few people here are directly involved in any of the gun violence episodes.
Ya well one of the girls shot at
Rox x is being charged with intent to distribute crack. Big difference!
bikes v violence
I think people feel like they can make a difference with bikes and that they have no control over violence.
the point about the bike is
the point about the bike is moot because probably the people who are concerned about the bike lane aren't hanging in places with people who carry guns and shoot eachother on a regular basis.
Now, if it was two uhub users who shot eachother in front of whole foods, now that would be a story with a lot of "tread."
yuk yuk
Gangbangers
Good thing they discourage gangbangers by not allowing baseball hats into the joint.
I know you think you are
I know you think you are joking, but it's probably true that if they allowed hats then the only result would be more shootings.
They're not banning the hats
They're banning the kind of people who wear the hats. It's just that putting up a sign that says "NO THUGS AND GANGBANGERS!" really opens the place up to a lawsuit.
Good chance bar not involved
That's a busy area known for drugs and also hard by the projects. Plenty of crime in this area. Could be perps and /or victims weren't Stadium patrons.
Doesn't work
Whether it's thinly veiled racism, anti-stereotypical-thug-attire, or anything else, the only way to keep guns out is by banning jackets and pants. No pants, no guns. But really, I'd just like to see the look on people's faces when they see a "Pants, no service" sign.
In all seriousness, anyone with bad intentions can take a hat off and pull up their pants if they really want in. I'm not sure what it really accomplishes.
If an establishment has an issue with a bad scene showing up, maybe they ought to examine their marketing, staff, etc. There are plenty of sports bars with clientele from all walks of life without a violence problem. It is possible to have that.
Really?
Something tells me you don't have a thug problem at your neighborhood bar - bet you'd be singing to a different tune if your local watering hole had more in common with Dublin House than Bukowskis. Gotta love all the Cambridge/Brookline bleeding heart types who tell the rest of the world how to properly treat thugs when they only see the said thugs on TV.
I watch Saint Hoods. Believe
I watch Saint Hoods. Believe me, I understand.
If you think saints hood
Is real you obviously not from Boston.
What sort of sports bar ...
... doesn't allow baseball caps??
the YUPPIE kind, like every
the YUPPIE kind, like every other new bar in Southie...most crime, including shootings in Southie are kept hush-hush so as not to scare the yuppies who are paying on average $700,000 for glorified apartments (condos)...well this one couldn't be hidden so welcome to the city Yuppies! Morons paying a fortune for condos a stone's throw form Old Harbor, then they cry when their car gets broken into because they left a laptop on the front seat!
ok buddy
The stadium is far from new....and it's nowhere near the "yuppie" part of southie you talk about. Nice try though.
Guaranteed the people
Guaranteed the people involved won't be yuppies and hipsters that want bike lanes.
Chances are it's life long Boston residents...or maybe Quincy.
- The Original SoBo Yuppie
oh really?
Chances are a shooting that took place in an urban area was perpetrated by someone who grew up in that area?? AND you're sure the black young adult gunman wasn't a yuppie??? You're a fuckin genius man, grade A comment. Hope karma sends you a stray bullet
Good luck with your bike
Good luck with your bike lanes, bigot.
Haha, those bike lanes are
Haha, those bike lanes are going in. May not be this summer, maybe even not next summer. But they're going in. Starbucks and Social Wines on West Broadway. American Provisions, Paramount and Tasty Burger on the other end of East Broadway.
Now we'll just fill in the gaps; right around the time the second (or third) Starbucks opens, you'll be walking to the bus and notice those freshly painted bike lanes.
I was thinking of taking a field trip there
Not because I'm a fan of sports bars, but because they want to open one in my neighborhood. They're owned by the same "company" that was indicted for improper asbestos removal a while back on a Worcester project. They also build very cheap residences. My neighbor's cabinets fell off his kitchen wall. No joke. Not a false accusation to say the least. If they run their restaurants the same way, I'm a little concerned. Of course, I could just not patronize the place, which probably serves food I don't eat, anyway.. but I do drink.
Also, my neighborhood does need bars, but it needs bars that attract patrons who are less likely to be armed..
Stop negativity
too much negativity is going to have an effect on the number of Yuppies wanting to move here. Stop reporting on the troubles, it's not good for business.
Southie irrelevant, bar is next to projects
Shootings happened there because the bar was next to a housing project. Being in Southie doesn't matter other than projects there and Charlestown are no longer exclusive to white residents. Only stupid yuppies believing glossy condo sales brochures might move near there.
Somerville, Cambridge, Arlington have "projects" too
and not too many bad things seem to happen in them, or around then. Why does Boston public housing have problems that other cities and towns don't?
Solid argument, Ron.
You really backed it up with statistical analysis that included a large cross section of cities and towns. Well done.
I didn't claim to do statistical analysis
but people in Cambridge and Somerville don't seem to be afraid to walk or bike by and through the projects in those cities. There's a big project (actually, two of them) right next to MIT and all of the high-tech industry of Kendall Square.
when I was a kid, you'd have
when I was a kid, you'd have to be pretty crazy to walk through the mystic projects in Somerville...I walk through Old Colony all the time...never had a problem..
Sheer numbers and history...
... to answer your question.
When my sib was a social worker at [Redacted], all visits to Roosevelt Towers (Cambridge) amd Mystic View (Somerville) required them to wait for a police officer to accompany them. This was at least 15 years ago, but it's not that there aren't problems in Cambridge and Somerville; it's that the Glob stopped reporting on them since they're not Wellesley (read: rich). Frankly, the inner burbs' problems are simply smaller, and easier to target, than the bigger projects in Boston.
Some of the projects in Boston (and those who've had to deal with them know which ones; I'm not in that field) have a history of problems and a sheer quantity of bad players who either came out of those projects or have relatives/associates there. Some of these problems persist for more than a generation; the only real solution is to scatter the occupants of a problem location to the four winds by closing or changing that housing project to something else (coop-means testing like Clarendon Towers or Elderly/YoungDisabled).
Boston's problems with their projects are not nearly as large as cities in the Midwest; where I grew up, they ended up closing one project and performing a controlled demolition -- and for all I know, salting the field afterward -- to get rid of a gang problem that had persisted for 50 years.
I used to work across the road ...
... from Roosevelt Towers (40+ years ago). Never worried about it back then. Should I?
Was OK 5 years ago as well.
I was a block or two away and never experienced unusual. I didn't live there but I've antecdotally heard worse things about the Alewife projects and property crime.
Really? The Mystic Projects
Really? The Mystic Projects in Somerville has bread a ton of criminals, including MANY murderers now serving life sentences....Arlington obviously is a friggin suburb...
Homies
What this article fails to mention is the shooting was a result of function hall rental on the second floor of the Stadium. If you saw the people particiating in the rental it would be clear they were not members of the South Boston community, instead from other parts of the city.