Steve Annear has been following a trash truck through East Boston this morning. And, yes, one guy removed his space saver then put it right back after the truck went by.
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No surprise
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 8:36am
the guy in the photo looks happy about it. He'll be none happy when he comes home and finds someone else parking in his spot. And not surprised people are doing that, people are not going to give up the spaces without a fight.
Seriously. enough with the space saver crap. I don't even own a car, and I'm tired of seeing and hearing about it. Give it up guys, you've had the same parking spaces for over a month now. Long enough.
So sick of this BS...
Meeee toooo
By ElizaLeila
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:05am
And I have a car and enjoy it and my parking spot(s).
I'm just sick of slipping and sliding off of the mounds between the spots. I fell once and almost fell 4 more times this morning. Advil will be my friend.
Drive your cars people, and stop with the space saving already.
Easy for people to say, some
By SA
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 6:18pm
Easy for people to say, some side roads in Eastie are still with high mounds of snow. The only streets that have been completely free of snow are businesses and residential streets with political connections!!! It's so obvious.
walk down meridian street one side does not have an ounce of snow on the ground ,that side of the street has 2 businesses!! (Meridian street areaFrom Havre to London st,)also look at George Visconti rd What a disgrace !!! Seen some old woman pushing a cart full of groceries with a 5 year old in one hand walking dangerously out onto the street because no one from the city has shoveled a single path from havre to paris steet, go see for yourselves.
If you don't have a car you
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:21am
If you don't have a car you should be thankful you don't have to deal with this and mind your own business. Instead of cheering for the space saver removal maybe we should be getting the city to actually remove the snow.
Thanks
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:31am
Thanks for your useless comment.
Even though I don't have a car, my roommate does. He has been unable to park at home for over a month now due to people hogging up spaces. So yes, it is my business.
Why doesn't he park in the
By Danger
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:50am
Why doesn't he park in the space he no doubt meticulously shoveled?
*zooom*
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:40am
You totally missed that one.
See below.
Maybe if selfish self
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:45am
Maybe if selfish self important wannabie urban warlords didn't block the street with space savers the streets could be plowed to the curb. Nah, that would make sense.
Have a plow following the guy
By Danger
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:53am
Have a plow following the guy taking space savers. Oh wait, they're not doing that? Lol if you think the half ass snow removal in this city is caused by plastic chairs and not the other way around. As long as the city is having us do DIY snow removal it's only fair to let us save the space.
In somerville there is a glacier on the even side of the street where the city made everyone move in order for them to properly remove snow. Guess they must be worried about space savers too.
I don't think a chair is much
By tape
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:53am
I don't think a chair is much match for a snow plow tbh.
The reason streets aren't plowed to the curb is because people are allowed to park on them during snow emergencies.
In Somerville they aren't. It
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:14am
In Somerville they aren't. It doesn't matter, they still don't plow to the curb.
I don't even own a car, and I
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:00am
Yeah, that doesn't really bolster your point, but rather confirms my suspicion that many non-drivers and people who don't live in Boston are the most vocal about savers.
FWIW, I own a car in Boston and I'm getting sick of hearing about it too. However, I can't grasp why those without a dog in the fight are so invested.
If it "confirms your suspicion"...
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:23am
...you're just not a very rigorous thinker, are you? Try collecting actual data points and then come back to us. Otherwise, stop bellyaching when other people express an opinion. Your notion of "dog in the fight" is much narrower than the reality.
Please
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 8:54pm
See above: "people who don't live in Boston."
This who don't use space
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:30pm
This who don't use space savers still have to live with all the trashy people who littler our streets with their filth to mark public space as theirs, so it impacts all of us, we all have to endure our city looking more like NH with trash all over the place because you are stealing public property.
Right, it's a class thing.
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 3:33pm
Right, it's a class thing. The working class people who park on the street have figured out a way to make winters bearable here. Space savers. It has nothing to do with you, but you dislike being forced to look at it while you're on your way to a long day of work as an innovator.
Why doesn't your room mate
By ShadyMilkMan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:23am
Why doesn't your room mate find an unshoveled spot and shovel it out? Are there literally no spaces that can be shoveled within a block of your apartment?
I find the people with driveways, people with no cars and people who never shoveled a spot are the ones most vocal about space saving. It's very rare to hear someone claim to shovel out a spot, not save it then shovel out a second or third spot.
because
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:39am
There are no spaces. Any free spaces were taken up by the first snow storm. And anything 'free' after that is on a 'snow emergency' route so they are pointless to take anyways. There have been NO free spaces on my street, or any surrounding streets for well over a month now.
Besides, like a responsible car owner.. you know.. the ones who don't hog up a space for weeks on end, when it snows he pays to park in a garage. You know, like you're SUPPOSE to do instead of hogging up a space for weeks on end.
I find the twits who drive and feel its their 'god given right' to occupy a public space on a public street for well over a month are the ones who are most vocal about space saving. How long is enough for you? Do we need flowers coming out of the ground in order for space savers to stop being used?
Look folks, I support space savers.. never said I didn't. BUT it's been well over 3 weeks since our last "state of emergency" and close to two weeks were we've had more than a few inches.. How long do you plan on keeping that space? how long is "good enough" for you? Flowers? or do we need to be wearing swimming trunks and suntan lotion?
Enough is enough folks..
Somerville still has a snow
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:46am
Somerville still has a snow emergency in effect.
Did your roommate shovel a space out after the storm after leaving the garage? No? Why should he get to park in a space someone else shoveled? In my neighborhood there are plenty of places to park if you want to do some serious excavation. The city should be the one doing it, but until they do I'll be saving my space.
Um
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:07am
That's why he parks in a garage so he doens't have to do that. And besides, you can't throw snow in the street.. those piles are there for a reason. Because there is no place to put the snow.
And why do you get to park for WELL OVER A MONTH in the same spot, just because "you shoveled" it out? Sorry I don't buy that... a few days, sure. But over a month, is excessive.
Again, answer my question.. "how long do you plan on using that space saver for?" .. are we waiting for Back to School specials at stores? or maybe halloween candy.
HOW LONG IS ENOUGH FOR YOU?
And THIS self serving, self righteous attitude is what is wrong with space savers and why the practice needs to go away.
You think if you park in a
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:18am
You think if you park in a garage so you don't have to shovel you then get to park in a spot someone else shoveled out and I'm the entitled one? OK.
I'll be using a space saver until the city removes the snow or it melts. I live in Somerville, so any time they like they could bring the plow down the empty even side of the street (we still have a snow emergency!) and create 100% more parking spaces than there are currently. I will jump for joy around a pile of burning space savers when that day comes.
Please
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:22pm
Please Mary.. Your entire comment is "I'm an entitled snot"
Wow what a self serving, I'm "entitled" comment.
What part of PUBLIC PARKING do you not understand? Its a PUBLIC STREET. Its free parking for ALL. No one is entitled to a space, even if you 'shoveled it out'. It's not yours to own. it's everyone's. All car owners are in the same boat with all the snow. Just because you shoved a spot, doesn't give you dibs on it for MONTHS.
I pay my taxes like everyone else. I should (or my roommate for this matter) be able to park on my street after a snow storm.. not MONTHS after like this has dragged on because people feel entitled to a spot because they shoveled it. I have just as much a right to park on my street as someone who 'shovels".
and..
Good luck on that. You're breaking the law in Somerville. Space savers are illegal in Somerville. I hope you have a lot of space savers to give away, because you're going to keep losing them as they get taken away. I really hope someone takes your space so your panties will be all in a bunch.
What a self serving asshole you are.
Edit: this is why I f**kin hate the space saver debate.. always brings out the " but but but but but I'm special" self serving assholes out there in droves. *rolls eyes*
Dropping off this conversation.. my blood pressure has gone up enough today.
Mary?
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:50pm
Cybah calls Dave Davery "Mary". How precious. I haven't heard anyone calling anyone "Mary" since the old days at Playland and Napoleon. Your wrinkles are showing Cybah.
And then Cybah follows by calling people twits, snots, and assholes. How delightful.
Feeling left out?
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:00pm
Oh you're an asshole too :)
And you're showing your age too. I'm probably still younger than you. I wasn't around in the days of Playland (way before my time)..
(seriously, is this all you have to add to the debate?)
Yes, I am entitled to the
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 3:35pm
Yes, I am entitled to the fruits of my labor. The people who parked in a garage to avoid a few hours of labor are not. Calm down. Some shoveling will work out the stress.
Seriously, are you ok? You
By ShadyMilkMan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 6:54pm
Seriously, are you ok? You need to grab a snifter of whiskey, toss some snow in the glass and relax a little. You are getting very heated for someone who literally has no horse in the game. Let your room mate go out and scream. I still don't get why the public transit people are the ones who have the biggest fits over this issue.
It's the snow
By Waquiot
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 7:49pm
It's going to do us all in.
I'm convinced it will never melt. We're doomed to live in this frozen hellscape for ever. Hell isn't burning fire, it's having to shovel snow, forever.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org
By ShadyMilkMan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:15pm
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dante%27s_Satan
According to Dante hell does have lots of ice at the center. That puts us squarely in the middle of the 9th cirCle.
How long, you say?
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:31pm
I'll use my space saver as long as I need to. The number of weeks or days doesn't matter. The Mayors removal policy doesn't matter. I'll just put out a new one.
What does matter is that there are no other spots in my neighborhood so if I don't use a space saver, I don't have a place to park. So I will protect the space that I created with tons of hard work for as long as I need to. And there are thousands and thousands of people in Boston that feel the same way, despite all the hating going on here at UHub.
So if the city does enough snow removal to create some more spots, or when the snow melts, I'll be happy to remove my space saver.
whatever
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:02pm
So you're thumbing nose at everyone else because you feel "entitled" to have a parking space. Nice to know you only care about yourself and no one else around you. ME ME ME...
Seriously, go fuck you and your entitled attitude.
This is exactly why the whole practice needs to go away, for attitudes like YOURS. Self entitled BS...
Why do you "need" that space....
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:08pm
...more than someone else? And why do you deserve it more than someone else? Don't say "because I shoveled" and don't say "if the city does enough snow removal to create some more spots". It's not like there are dozens of available spots just waiting for a real honest hard-working red-blooded lived-here-all-my-life citizen like yourself to shovel them out. There isn't enough to go around, so in a very snowy winter, what makes you such a special snowflake?
What about in the summer?
By Bob Leponge
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:26pm
Translation: "There's a shortage, so I'm going to ensure I get mine, at the expense of everyone else, by using a space saver to consume even more parking than I usually do."
Does that same attitude also entitle you to save a space in the summer? The simple arithmetic is that 3/4 of people with valid permits aren't going to find a space on the street, because there are only 1/4 as many spaces as there are cars looking to park in them.
Hoarding is sociopathic.
Somerville's snow emergency doesn't matter
By peter
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:27am
Somerville's snow emergency doesn't matter because space savers are *NEVER* legal there. They're not really legal in Boston either, they're just tolerated by mayors who've promised not to enforce the law for a certain amount of time.
Well if Mayor Joe says he
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:54pm
Well if Mayor Joe says he doesn't approve I must be imagining the fact that every shoveled space on my street in Somerville has a space saver in it.
I'm surprised Joe doesn't
By gotdatwmd
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:29pm
I'm surprised Joe doesn't approve, given that he called the kids who sat on the highway and blocked traffic heroes. Guess he doesn't love all trash on the road.
Cyb is guilty
By anon
Tue, 03/03/2015 - 12:05pm
of very poor grammar. Please correct this at your convenience.
Listen to the milk man
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:40am
He speaks the truth.
In a respectful world...
By Tom C
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 8:44am
As someone who has lived in this city all my life I DO use a space saver. I also make sure my sidewalk (which isn't technically "my property") is shoveled all the way out to the curb - the complete width of the sidewalk and owning a corner property makes for some hefty shoveling. What I really don't understand and never have is why we need space savers anyway? How could anyone with a shred of common decency look at my neighborhood - see a spot that is shoveled, clear of debris and ice and salted and think that it's ok to pull into that spot -space saver or no space saver? I know if I had done that as a kid my father, then my mother would have backhanded my butt into last year for disrespecting my neighbors hard work - then they would have made me go shovel out spots for others just as a lesson in common decency. Really people - if you pull into a spot that is OBVIOUSLY the result of someone else's hard work that says a lot more about your parents than you know - is that how you were raised? If so, your mother and father failed miserably!
I also make sure my sidewalk
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:23am
Oh, congratulations. You do what you're legally required to do. Do you always want to brag about how to don't go around murdering people?
legal requirements?
By Tom C
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:29pm
Actually, I am legally required to shovel a 40 inch path - NOT the entire width of the sidewalk - so check your facts before opening your trap! - Better yet , just keep your trap shut and do us all a favor you puke!
You're the first person I know...
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:13pm
...under the age of 80 and not from Oklahoma to use the word "trap" in that way.
(or maybe I'm wrong about your age and where you're from?)
Too Funny!
By Tom C
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 2:27pm
Nope - not from Oklahoma -Bostonian all the way - but after this winter I sure am feeling a lot closer to 80 than I would like!
About that 80 thing -- me too
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:09pm
About that 80 thing -- me too, Tom. It's the shoveling.
Having grown up in Tulsa....
By Michael Kerpan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:34pm
... I don't think "shut your trap" was all that common an expression (at least in the 1950s and 1960s).
Watch out. We have a badass
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:13pm
Watch out. We have a badass over here!
I get it...
By MatthewC
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 6:01pm
You're trolling, right? You're really just bored and maybe drunk so you are looking for some cheap laughs.
42 not 40
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 8:03pm
just sayin
Look past the snow for a minute
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:27am
What's the situation on your street? Are there more than enough spaces for all the people who own cars and want to park there? If so, you've maybe got a bit of a point. If not, the real issue isn't the snow, it's that there just aren't enough spaces for everyone who wants to park there, no matter how willing they are to shovel. Just look past the snow for a minute. Will you also be saving "your" space in the summer?
Do visitors come to your neighborhood? Why do they come -- to visit friends or a business? Do you think that their friends and business owners should shovel out extra spaces for them? Again, if you really have ample parking in your neighborhood, that might make sense. You might have more success, however, if instead of taking an adversarial, confrontational attitude, you got together with your neighbors to get all the spaces shoveled out. Problem solved, right? It works a lot better than being a dog in the proverbial manger.
There are no businesses on
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 10:49am
There are no businesses on residential streets and yes, if my neighbor wants someone to be able to come visit them and park right outside their house they should shovel a space out for them. Or they can park further away and walk, or take the T. Pretty simple.
So, answer the question
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:05am
Are there ample parking spaces in your neighborhood, so that anyone who wanted one could have one if they only shoveled it out?
When the storm came, were there unoccupied spaces, or was every one filled with a car?
If the latter, how is anyone who wasn't right there at the time of the storm ever supposed to park in your neighborhood? Guess you don't really have any visitors, hm?
Oh yeah...there ARE businesses on residential streets. Maybe not on yours, but there is such a thing as mixed commercial/residential. I'm surprised, with your lifetime tenure in Boston, that you've never heard of a corner store.
Yeah, I remember as a kid in
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:03pm
Yeah, I remember as a kid in Boston driving down to the corner store on my block...
There actually were a couple unoccupied spaces on my street even after the first two storms, one was right outside my apartment. I saw some guy come home one day and spend a good 2 hours digging out a new spot for himself. He's saved it ever since and I have absolutely no problem with it, because if he didn't put that labor in it would be a jagged sheet of ice by now, and no one else could park there anyway.
I tell anyone coming to visit that they probably won't find a spot to park so they should take the T. There's an industrial area around the corner where no one is saving spaces if they want to brave parking at a 45 degree angle on a shelf of ice, or they can park down on the main street where Cambridge has done a good job of snow removal. Stop it with the concern trolling over visitors and small businesses being ruined.
Still not answering the question
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:55pm
I'll type it for you again:
Are there so many parking spaces in your neighborhood that anyone could have one if they simply shoveled? "A couple unoccupied spaces" don't add up to that. So what's the story here?
"concern trolling", that's a new one. Whatever your invented phrase means, it's totally misplaced here. Deal with the issue. Is there sufficient space for everyone who wants to park in your neighborhood, or is there not? If not, why are you entitled to a space over someone else? If one of your neighbors was out of town for two weeks and came home, would they be able to simply dig out a space and park?
lbb
By cybah
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:59pm
he's just being a troll.. not sure why you even bothering to reply.
(but I agree with where you are going.. same argument could be used with my roommate's parking situation)
I'll even say that on my street.. the whole length from Marginal to B'way, there's THREE mounds of snow that could be parking spots. However, one is too close to a hydrant to be a full spot. One is too small for anything except for a Mini or Toyota Yaris to park there. And the final one.. to close a driveway to be a legal spot
Not sure where "all of these spaces" are he keeps seeing..
Actually
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 7:01pm
The situation "Dave Davery" describes is the same on my street. There is no parking shortage under regular weather conditions, so when heavy snow comes around it's just a matter of putting in the work shoveling. There will always be a spot if you make one.
So I don't think he's being a troll. On the other hand, the guy who doesn't drive replying to the guy who doesn't live in Boston -- both of whom are all over these parts voicing their thoughts on a system they don't deal with....
"Are there so many parking
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 3:37pm
"Are there so many parking spaces in your neighborhood that anyone could have one if they simply shoveled?"
Well, yeah. There are actually. I would say on a normal day the street is maybe 60% full.
What is "Further away?"
By Bob Leponge
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:38pm
If they park further away, aren't they still parking in a space that someone has shoveled out?
This is where the space-saver logic breaks down. Any parkable space is a space that someone has shoveled out.
No, in a metered spot on a
By dave davery
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:06pm
No, in a metered spot on a snow emergency street that the city did a fine job of clearing. Or in the industrial area where there are no space savers and coincidentally no well shoveled spots. Not every neighborhood is doing space saving. Also I'd need to give someone a visitor's pass to park on my street anyway.
If I'm visiting my friend in the Back Bay should I expect to be able to park directly outside his house?
Parking in Back Bay
By Bob Leponge
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 4:30pm
No, not in the winter, nor in the summer. For one thing, it's permit parking only, and for another, even the people who live there can't reasonably expect to park in front of their own houses. And, for various reasons, you don't find space-saving very much in Back Bay. For one thing, a higher percentage of people there, relative to some other neighborhoods, would recognize the phrase "tragedy of the commons" and understand its applicability to parking.
correction: Back Bay is not
By anon
Tue, 03/03/2015 - 8:48am
correction: Back Bay is not residential permit parking only. There are many meters on Beacon St,, Comm. Ave. and several side streets. The side street meters turn residential after 6pm. Glad space saving here is uncommon... however, I would not move a space saver nor would I park in a spot with a space saver. We shovel and/or put the car in a garage.
Yeah how dare people pull
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:28am
Yeah how dare people pull into an empty spot on a public street!
Your sidewalk...
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 9:28am
...is technically your property, at least when it comes to snow removal. It's not some grand selfless gesture to clear off the thing you're legally obligated to shovel.
So many unshoveled sidewalks
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:01am
My street is pretty good, but walking through my neighborhood over to Belgrade and there it seems like 1/2 of Durnell is untouched. I have a much bigger problem with the people who shovel out their parking spots and leave their sidewalk untouched or, worse, use it as a spot to put the snow from their spots. WTF.
If the city wants to cover some of these snow removal costs, they should be out ticketing people - it's probably 1 in 5 houses so that will add up pretty quick.
Even if sidewalks ARE mostly cleared....
By Michael Kerpan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 11:57am
... in our little corner of Roslindale the crosswalks are blocked by 8 foot (6 foot) piles of snow -- rendering the sidewalks almost useless -- unless you are just visiting a neighbor on your own block.
Curious...
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:27pm
What does "8 foot (6 foot) piles of snow" mean? That they're really 6 feet but everyone says they're 8 feet?
It means that....
By Michael Kerpan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:32pm
... subjectively speaking they _seem_ 8 feet tall, but -- perhaps-- a yardstick might tell a slightly different story.
Why the niggle?
My point was that these giant heaps of (now icy) snow block almost every cross-walk.
Because...
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:14pm
...I haven't seen any 8 foot snowbanks, and people keep talking about them like they're a ubiquitous thing. Maybe it's a guy thing? "This is eight inches..."
I am a tiny bit over 6 feet tall...
By Michael Kerpan
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 2:29pm
... and there are mounds at corners a bit taller (Maybe today they will have melted a bit, we'll see). I have definitely seen some 8-ish foot piles, albeit not on my own street. Not much snow has been cleared out of Roslindale side streets, just shoved off the middle of the streets and into huge banks and piles.
I have no idea where you live, so I have no idea what you have been likely to see.
Jamaica Plain
By ElizaLeila
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 2:52pm
Try Centre St in Jamaica Plain.
They were high until the past week of weather helped knock them down some. Also, the City did removed some of the bigger piles 2 weeks ago in the Hyde Sq area down to sidewalk. Some of them. A lot remains. Actually, Bynner between Jamaicaway and Day St has some pretty large piles now that I think of it.
They exist, but they've been getting smaller, gradually.
(not a guy)
They're much bigger than 6 feet in some cases
By anon
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 12:32pm
Take your 6 foot piles and add additional snow from shoveling or plowing or snowblowing or blizzard wind.
Voila, 8 foot or taller snow piles.
OK, where?
By lbb
Mon, 03/02/2015 - 1:16pm
Again, I'm curious. I was looking around Brighton last week. Average seemed around 2.5 to 4 feet. There were a relatively small number of 6 footers, and one that was in a private lot that looked like it might go 7 feet.
Look, four feet is high enough if you have to shovel on top of it. It's not like you have to exaggerate to get my sympathy.
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