Chad O'Connor noticed today that another low-density commercial square is being replaced by a high-density residential square. Or more specifically: The Boylston Street Burger King has closed - to make way for a 240-unit, 17-story apartment building by Skanska USA, as shown in this architect's rendering submitted to the BRA:
No word if the traffic advisor is shaking his fist and turning red.
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Blank wall
By Camberville
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 6:33pm
There's an entire blank wall on 1330 Boylston (neighboring property) that I always thought was blank so they could abut a new development directly. It seems weird to me that they're leaving so much of it blank (as shown in the photo).
THANK YOU
By Mjolnir
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 12:48pm
This aggrivated me too. The Fenway Health building was clearly set up with a party wall as that lot was a sure thing for a future development a la McDonalds. To completely ignore it when designing the new structure is surprising. Especially because inverting the tower and roofdeck locations would be a nice "step down" from the Fenway Boylston buildings to the Fens (for a counterpoint, see the Viridian by Sweet Caroline's, where it juts abruptly and jarringly into the sky).
Even doing something like what the Van Ness just down the street, where the deck is encapsulated by two towers, would at least make some architectural use of the otherwise blank face.
[img]http://i.imgur.com/tS9hNYg.jpg[/img]
As I was saying...
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Wed, 04/01/2015 - 6:35pm
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Damn, I really enjoyed being
By Zabdiel Boylston
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 6:42pm
Damn, I really enjoyed being able to tell my friends that visited that that Burger King is sitting on a multi-million dollar piece of land. Always seemed funny. Not so funny anymore now that there will be another luxury residence in Fenway I'll never live in.
Minutes/Notes a) Zoning Commission. b) Zoning Board.
By theszak
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 7:39pm
a) Request Minutes of the most recent and previous Public Meeting of the Zoning Commission, email zc at cityofboston.gov
http://www.reddit.com/r/alternativeboston/comments...
b) Request Minutes/Notes of the Zoning Board of Appeals, email zba at cityofboston.gov
http://www.reddit.com/r/alternativeboston/comments...
Wow
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 6:48pm
I used to go to that Star Market to get groceries for my cooperative living group. That area has already changed a great deal, and is changing still. I think the move from a bunch of suburban-lite businesses to a full-blown city scape is overall a positive one.
Pave parking lots, put up … well, at least something
By Ari O
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 10:34pm
I think this area's proximity to Fenway Park actually kept it from developing for some time. In the early 2000s much of the area was parking lots, or gas stations that turned in to parking lots on game day, or a BK that had a nice side business parking cars on game day. 80 home games, $30 or $40 or more for parking, that's $3200 in ancillary income per space. Oh, and it comes in in cash. So there was a calculus that these properties made decent money without having to be developed. Of course, it was this bizarre suburban strip mall scar right next to one of the densest neighborhoods in the city.
It's good to see it change. The dense housing is good for two reasons. First, every time a brogrammer decides to splurge on the $1800 per month apartment that they can afford, it's one less person driving up demand, and prices, in older, cheaper housing stock elsewhere in the city. (In theory, anyway; in practice, there is so much latent demand that it doesn't make a difference, but you have to start somewhere.) And one has to assume that these don't get through without having some affordable units, and paying something in to the affordability fund, or however that works. They're not displacing any existing residents, or really any useful businesses (no, decaying garages aren't exactly useful). And they're filling in a pretty big hole in the cityscape.
There are still some properties in that neighborhood that could be developed, but it's good to see it go from a wasteland to something useful. Even if I might not be able to afford it, it should at least relieve some pressure on the housing market overall.
Rent will be much higher
By nightmoves
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 7:57am
Around $3,000/month for a 1 bed.
1800 is what you pay in outlying areas
By anon
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 10:55am
1800 gets you a 1-bedroom in an old wood frame building in Somerville. Not a 1-bedroom in a new 'luxury' building that close to downtown.
.....then they came for Burger King
By anon
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 6:56pm
....and I said nothing.....you all know the rest.
D'Angelos
By BostonDog
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:56am
First they came for D'Angelos, and I shrugged.
Then they came for the Burger King, and I shrugged.
Finally they came for El Peon and there was no where left for me to go to lunch.
they wouldn't DARE.
By Malcolm Tucker
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 12:50pm
they'll have to pry el guapo out of my cold, dead hands!
Where
By Mary
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 7:01pm
My question is where are all these people living now? Boston seems to be building and building these rental buildings, like ink block, the Avalon at the Prudential, all those buildings near Lechemere. These places aren't affordable so who is the customer? We can't have that many students directly in Boston.
These places aren't
By Rob Not Verified
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 9:11pm
You answered your own question.
What makes you think
By anon
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 10:17pm
What makes you think "students" are the ones moving into these buildings?
Boston is home to world class healthcare, legal, financial services, bio-technology, and R&D companies. The people that work at those high paying jobs want to live close to their employer with all the amenities the city has to offer.
That location is a ten minute
By anon
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 9:06am
That location is a ten minute walk to Beth Israel, BWH, etc.... it will probably fill up with doctors/residents/etc
Scratch residents
By anon
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:28am
$3,000 a month for 1BR is way too much for residents, even Partner's residents who make more than most. We don't make the big bucks.
"affordable"
By bosguy22
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 10:29am
They're clearly affordable to someone.
this is written as if it's a bad thing
By SharpWave
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 7:25pm
Increasing density should be a major goal for the city. From my personal experience, if I was playing SimCity I'd knock down ALL of the automotive related businesses on Brighton Ave and put in high density residential development, then start doing the same with the more decrepit low density housing stock.
But first ...
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 7:42pm
Put in some improved and extended rapid transit.
Just make sure you plunk down
By Brent Jeffries
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 8:04pm
Just make sure you plunk down lots of police stations right around it. Automatically makes crime go down. Parks are cheap, too, and raise desirability.
Also
By anon
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 8:34pm
turn off disaster mode or Godzilla might come rampaging through your town.
Boston SimCity
By cybah
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 6:25am
What's sad is.. a Boston as a region in SimCity 4 (yes there is one to download here & here) doesn't work well for gameplay. Both the road layout and the transit systems (if built like they are currently) are horribly insufficient for the game. (Maybe the game is trying to tell us something? :-) )
In order to make it work you end up having to build a Paris-style subway system (that goes everywhere underground), upgrade many roads to boulevards, and add more highways. OR just abandon the idea of copying the current road/transit layout and build your own from scratch. (This works out the best)
(And yes, I've tried to build a "Boston" region a few times..)
Not all development is wonderful
By JohnAKeith
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 7:35pm
I think I can count on one hand the number of residential developments I've been against. I'm not against this one except that the Fenway neighbors have been pretty good about accepting housing and its effects (traffic, people) on Boylston Street and then this developer came along and wanted a tower 2x the height of other buildings on that stretch - zoning that had been approved just years before.
Like I said, I support almost all development, and this, too.
2x the height
By lbb
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 9:13am
Seems a bit excessive. But hey, of course since somebody from somewhere changed the zoning to allow it, it's all good, right?
Boston Zoning Board Hearing notes 3/24/15
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Fri, 04/03/2015 - 9:43am
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Fri, 04/03/2015 - 11:42am
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Tasty Burger is just down the street
By Ron Newman
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 10:47pm
so this is no great loss to anyone.
Only until the Post Office Depot lease is dealt with
By anon
Wed, 04/01/2015 - 11:52pm
Then it will be a corner high rise also. Of course, there will be a monorail running over Boylston to Longwood and to Mass Ave.
huh?
By cybah
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 10:48am
to quote uhub...
"Citation Please"
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By cybah
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:04am
dupe
landfill?
By exitquote
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 7:44am
I had thought that one of the reasons this area wasn't more developed was because, like the Back Bay, it's landfill and couldn't sustain the weight of a lot of high-rise buildings without potentially causing damage to existing structures by increasing the pace at which the land is sinking. I haven't heard a word about this amid the flurry of new development over there. Does anyone know anything about this?
So the land isn't actually
By KBHer
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 8:49am
So the land isn't actually sinking - or at least it isn't because of large buildings. Settling is common for areas built on tidal flats or marshlands - which the Fens used to be, with the exception of Sewall's Point around Kenmore Sq - but the Back Bay in particular is stacked with an array of timber pylon supports that prop up all the buildings. If those supports are submerged in groundwater they are essentially permanent - they won't deteriorate at all. It's when the groundwater recedes and exposed portions of the pylons rot that settling occurs. This has been an issue previously with construction in and around the Back Bay dewatering nearby areas - though construction engineers today are very good about monitoring the water levels to ensure surrounding pylons are not disturbed.
All new builds, including the high rises, must include groundwater recharge systems and water table monitors, there's also the groundwater trust which monitors the water table as a whole in the area. It is a bit imprecise, we don't actually know where are the pylons are and how tall they are - once building may have pylons that extend and extra meter than the neighbor's - because the plans for the area burnt in a fire. Even if the pylons rot, it's possible to save the building - all it requires is to dig down to preserved portion of the timber, cut out the rotted section, and install a steel support structure. It's expensive, but not that difficult from an engineering perspective. This happened to a few townhouses on Brimmer St for example.
So, yes and no. There's no immediate threat to settling from these new buildings, but the water table must be monitored constantly to ensure that it's at appropriate levels to ensure the pylons don't rot. This winter will actually help that as snow melts and recharges the water table. I'm not sure if this section of Boylston is propped up by pylons to the extent that the Back Bay, but settling is certainly an issue in this area so I'd imagine the BRA wouldn't be approving such developments in ignorance of that threat.
Even if the pylons rot, it's
By chaosjake
Fri, 04/03/2015 - 6:33am
Famous examples of this process include both the BPL McKim building, rebuilt in 1929, and the Old South Church bell tower, rebuilt in the mid-1930s. Their pilings rotted away after the St James Street sewer rapidly drew down the water table around Copley.
Veritek
By Ha Ha
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 9:38am
I'll always remember saying hi to Jason Veritek at this drive thru after the 2004 sox parade. Yea i was a dumbass that walked up to his car after he ordered.
Varitek
By Steeve
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 10:52am
If only you remembered his name...
Is that a New England thing to change "ar" to "er", like adding "er"s to "a" and vice versa? See Jerry Remy's butchering of Carlos Baerga as Cah-los Buy-ay-ger, etc.
Probably related to...
By lbb
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:27am
...the way none of the knuckledraggers can say "sriracha" or "chipotle". Some great butchery there.
If I'm counting correctly,
By tcf098
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 10:48am
If I'm counting correctly, that makes 2 BK's that have closed within the last 18 months or so, leaving Boston with only 1, right across from the Common, correct?
I do like the fact that we're getting rid of all the shitty fast food joints, but something about it also makes me kind of sad that it's getting harder to satisfy my occasional and irrational craving for a Whopper.
Conservation of hamburger joints
By Ron Newman
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 10:59am
From what I can see, the old-line fast-food burger places (McDonald's, Burger King, Wendy's) are being slowly replaced, about one-by-one, by the new-style UBurger, Tasty Burger, Boston Burger Company, Shake Shack, Five Guys, etc.
KFC has also pretty much disappeared from our area ... but we now have Popeye's (again)
KFC
By cybah
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:07am
Is still around.. there's one on Revere Beach Parkway in Everett, and one on Squire Road in Revere, and one in Edward Everett Square in Dorchester. Route 1 in Saugus probably has one also.
Not totally gone.. just far and few between (there weren't many here to begin with anyways)
And in West Rox...
By Gary C
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:20am
On Washington Street at the Dedham line.
And in Roslindale
By adamg
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:28am
On American Legion Highway, across from the mall with the Popeye's - and the McDonald's - in it, all just down the street from the Wendy's.
Anyone know why the Everett
By RhoninFire
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:20am
Anyone know why the Everett KFC is a little different from the others? Every other KFC I been has "Crunchy" as the other option from original. The Everett has "Spicy", and I'm pretty sure it does has a different taste so it not just semantics (don't get it rid of btw, I like it). But my understanding of franchises has standardized selections. Why is the Everett one slightly different?
Throwing this out
By cybah
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 12:25pm
there.. since I rarely eat at KFC anymore (mostly because I worked at KFC in high school and know what the kitchen is like.)
I'm going to guess that they have spicy chicken due to the high latino population. If you get fried chicken at Polo Campero, it's spicy and has flavor. (its better than KFC) so I guessing it's KFCs answer to Latin Chicken.
PS - I refuse to eat this location anyways.. always so dirty inside and they always make you wait..
To add to Cybah, I think all
By Dot net
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 4:13pm
To add to Cybah, I think all KFCs in grittier, urban (non-white majority?) neighborhoods sell spicy (which is also crispy). I prefer it also. Columbia Rd KFC, spicy. Hancock St KFC in Quincy, crispy only. It was the same story in the suburbs I grew up in, all crispy, no spicy.
I also think the Everett KFC location has the freshest KFC in Eastern Mass. They always have a line and huge turnover of food, so I guess it's gotta be fresh. So I think KFC has actually given franchise owners a choice, and the owners know what their customers want. Or KFC has some crazy map mandating the crispy vs spicy line.
Brighton Ave in Allston
By Kaz
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 1:35pm
There's a BK between Packard's Corner and Union Square. Drive-thru and everything.
There's a BK at Government Center, too
By Michael
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 1:43pm
Open kind of weird hours, being in a very 9-to-5 neighborhood.
Don't even get me started on how you need a sled team and three weeks of provisions to get to the nearest Arby's.
Didn't expect that from you, Michael
By Kaz
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 1:56pm
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I didn't think you'd like the Hannity of Roast Beef sandwiches
Good lord, man, you live in
By Scratchie
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 2:08pm
Good lord, man, you live in Eastern Mass. Do you know how much I've been craving a real roast beef sandwich since I moved away? Complaining about the lack of Arby's makes as much sense as complaining about a lack of Red Lobsters.
Constructive suggestion
By Kaz
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 4:23pm
Yeah, Michael. You don't need a team of dogs to get to Brookline Village where you can get the Roast Beef 1000 at Cutty's.
There's one at Park Street too!
By cybah
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 2:09pm
There's one at Park Street too. It's a haven for homeless tho..
There's a BK in Roslindale
By HenryAlan
Fri, 04/03/2015 - 9:49am
It's on Washington at High Point Village. And I believe there is also one in Dorchester (Columbia Rd.)
All it means to me
By Andrew8-8000
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:28am
is another year and a half to two years of construction a block away from my office, and all the parking spaces being taken up by construction workers. Not to mention the swampy smell once they start to dig out the foundation. Then after that the building that had the D'Angelos sandwich shop is coming down to make room for a 22 story building. It will all probably be done just about the time I retire in 4 years and the West Fenway will be totally transformed. It's the new UPTOWN BOSTON! It's going to be really nice though, actually. This neighborhood has been such a sleepy little place for so long it's nice to see it injected with some life.
And don't forget ...
By adamg
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:32am
The mega-expansion of Landmark Center.
Yup, that too
By Andrew8-8000
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 11:43am
and the Muddy River project as well...
What's bad about "sleepy"?
By lbb
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 3:04pm
From my perspective, having it be a "sleepy little place" was a major feature, not a bug. The neighborhood had a few decent and affordable restaurants, a supermarket and a pharmacy. Who exactly is all the "non-sleepy" development for? Tourists, that's who. I loved coming home, dropping my stuff in my apartment and going for a walk in the park. It was nice, it was green, there were birds and trees and all that good stuff. I loved it. You can keep all the UPTOWN BOSTON crap.
Please leave town, find
By Alex4
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 3:59pm
Please leave town, find yourself a sleepy suburb to live in, and stop trying to hold this CITY back. Thanks.
Please stop deluding yourself...
By lbb
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 4:54pm
...that you are the arbiter of what a CITY should be like. You're not, so shut your pie hole.
You leave
By nightmoves
Fri, 04/03/2015 - 7:54am
We were here long before you were here and we'll be here long after your greasy tourist ass leaves.
As long as they put up a
By Finn
Thu, 04/02/2015 - 7:11pm
As long as they put up a plaque to mark where Jeremy Renner died after that botched Fenway Park robbery.
Minutes/Notes from most recent Public Meeting of Zoning Board
By theszak
Sat, 04/04/2015 - 8:25am
Trying to post Minutes/Notes from the most recent Public Meeting of the Boston Zoning Board... also available by email derric.small at boston.gov
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