The Museum of Fine Arts reports it's responding to complaints about cultural appropriation and banning the weekly wearing of kimonos in front of Monet's La Japonaise.
Last week, protesters stood with signs in front of the painting protesting non-Japanese people being allowed to put on a kimono as cultural racism. In a statement today, the museum says:
The kimonos will now be on display in the Impressionist gallery every Wednesday evening in July for visitors to touch and engage with, but not to try on. This allows the MFA to continue to achieve the program’s goal of offering an interactive experience with the kimonos - understanding their weight and size, and appreciating the embroidery, material, and narrative composition. We will also increase the number of Spotlight Talks presented by MFA educators, to take place every Wednesday evening in July in conjunction with the display of the kimonos. The talks provide context on French Impressionism, “japonisme,” and the historical background of the painting, as well as an opportunity to engage in culturally sensitive discourse. We apologize for offending any visitors, and welcome everyone to participate in these programs on Wednesday evenings, when Museum admission is free. We look forward to continuing the Museum’s long-standing dialogue about the art, culture and influence of Japan.
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Alternate headline
By adamg
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:31pm
The UHub Copy Desk is standing here, quietly seething that I did not go with a headline that included the phrase:
She said it's not fair I am forever using references from 1960s and 1970s-era movies and yet not that. I explained I am my own least common denominator and that not all of us are as familiar with the subtleties of Japanese couture as certain online copy desks.
Oh FFS
By JimGaffigan
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:33pm
This story is one big yawn.
Sigh
By anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:39pm
Lame and pathetic response, but not surprising. Why don't they just return all the 'stolen' artifacts to Japan? I find Japanese culture fascinating, but this is a huge turn-off and awakening. If this is what the majority of Japanese think, than screw 'em. I'm throwing out my gift Kimono (that I've never worn) tonight. I don't want to be 'racist' and 'imperalist'.
Oh please.
By anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 7:00pm
How about you and the upvoters of your post look at the facts of this incident instead of being so dense and jumping straight to "the majority of Japanese thinking" a certain way? In particular: Amber Ying, linked to in the original UHub post regarding the protest, is a Chinese American and is objecting to orientalism in general.
And here's a response by a local Japanese-American expressing disappointment at the decision: http://japaneseamericaninboston.blogspot.com/2015/...
Thanks for posting that blog
By boo_urns
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 10:09pm
Thanks for posting that blog column. Well worth the read.
Thank you for the link. It
By Muerl
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 10:10pm
Thank you for the link. It was quite informative.
Blog is a great read
By Anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 10:31pm
Yes that blog is a great read. I agree completely. (I'm half-Japanese myself).
The kimono artist is an educator not a cultural racist.
By anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:39pm
So then those who agree with the small group protesting think the Asian artist who made the kimono for the express purpose of people trying it on for cultural education is a cultural racist? Have those protesting at the MFA accused the kimono designer yet? I'd be interested in the response from the artist. These are strong and damaging accusations that censor education and cultural artistic exchange.
No, we disagree with the way
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 9:56am
No, we disagree with the way the MFA was exhibiting the kimono, without information on it. It was merely used as an accessory to a Monet from the era of colonialism.
Well, this makes an
By bgl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:42pm
Well, this makes an interesting point: http://japaneseamericaninboston.blogspot.com/2015/...
Perhaps we need to reach out to the Japan Society of Boston on their thoughts ? Also - were you there (pretty sure you said you were not)? If not, how do you know what was and was not being educated about it?
"It was merely used as an accessory to a Monet from the era of colonialism."
It was Monet's La Japonaise, which was, you know, kind of making fun of the entire Parisian movement of Japonism during the period.
I read the protesters' and the
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 8:38pm
I read the protesters' and the blogger's accounts. I thought it was pretty thorough. I am going to see the exhibit myself this evening.
Monet's intent is easily lost in the 21st century. There was no deep dive on this at the MFA either.
UPDATE: I went to the MFA, and heard the educational spotlight on Monet's La Japonaise. The replica kimonos are there, and no one can tell you anything about them. Except that they were donated by NHK, Japan's public broadcaster, after being used by museums in Japan that exhibited La Japonaise when it traveled there. There is no placard or flyer on the kimonos at all.
You can't learn from the art educator how they were made, what they were made of, what the symbols on the kimono mean, what the spirit on the kimono means, really nothing. You learn a tiny bit that Japanese-European trade was flourishing thanks to the opening of Japan by Commodore Perry.
The protesters, if they can even be called that, were very respectful. They asked pertinent and respectful questions of the art educator. They talked with people who were curious about why some in the Asian American community were offended.
Nothing was disrupted, except by a guy who wanted to pick a fight with any Asian. He told me I was creating a spectacle and that I knew nothing about art, even while I just stood there at the exhibit and had said nothing to anyone at all, except to say hello to some friends. My sympathy has gone up 100 times with the actual protesters who have to deal with jerks like that.
Spirit of the kimono? Really?
By bgl
Thu, 07/09/2015 - 2:05pm
Spirit of the kimono? Really? It was an extremely formal and fancy dress style for the wealthy aristocracy of Japan. Is there meaning and a spirit to Elizabethan dresses? Sure, it has symbolism - that of the wealthy elite. Is it not a replica of the one in the painting? Who knows what that was, or how accurate the painting was.
So IOW unless you're Japanese
By anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:44pm
So IOW unless you're Japanese you're not "allowed" to wear "their" clothes. Far more racist than whatever these protesters are complaining about, and far more offensive.
Anyone interested in joining a counter-boycott? I for one will do my damnedest to make sure the MFA gets more bad publicity and loses more money over this spineless gesture than the racist Japanese protestors think they've accomplished.
Not correct -- no Japanese protests involved
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 9:34pm
Indeed -- quite the contrary. Although the Japanese artisans who made the replica kimonos had no problem with what the MFA was doing, and no Japanese (or Japanese-American) seem to have objected, other (non-Japanese) Asian-Americans objected -- and their objection trumps all.
Your post is quite ironic,
By boo_urns
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 11:09am
Your post is quite ironic, because the whole point of minorities speaking out against such issues is that "white people make all of the rules." When they are offended, the argument, as your comment seems to insinuate, of white people is "well that's just plain ol' reverse racism, innit!"
No
By Michael Kerpan
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 11:21am
I am saying that, in fact, Japanese-Americans, Chinese-Americans, Vietnamese-Americans, Thai-Americans, Indian-Americans, Filipino-Americans (etc) do not make up a homogeneous undifferentiated mass. The do not necessarily share the same culture (or values). If the protest had vbeen _initiated_ by Japanese-Americans (and anyone else -- Asian-American or not) had supported these objections, one would have an entirely different situation.
I would say that it is as fallacious to lump all Asians together as it is to lump all "whites". Does an Irish person get to be the person to object to the appropriation of Parisian berets by the Japanese -- regardless of whether the French approve such "appropriation"?
So only "race" matters, not ethnicity?
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 11:27am
This appears to me to be a mixed Asian group telling the Japanese what they get to like and what the rules for cultural interaction with people in the US are.
You are the ironic one here.
This isn't white people pretending to be Asian. This is one set of Asians working with non-Asians, and another group of Asians coming up with rules for both groups in the name of protecting the Asian group, as if the Japanese cannot decide the terms of these interactions for themselves - or the non-Asians need to discipline the interaction according to those "Asian" rules to protect them.
That's pretty damn patronizing.
Again, I think it speaks to
By boo_urns
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 11:43am
Again, I think it speaks to the perpetuating of Orientalism and the like. And I think you're missing the forest for the trees with that response. But that's just me.
Or maybe
By Aethelbee
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:09pm
It's about both the forest and the trees, and it's okay to be disappointed with how the MFA went about things while being critical of the activists' failure to bring Japanese Americans on board more proactively.
Sure. I think I probably
By boo_urns
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 1:16pm
Sure. I think I probably didn't say what I was trying to so eloquently above. I've at least shared that I read and understood some concerns of both the protesters and the author of that cited blog column above.
But I think there's a lot more to this debate than I really want to participate in as far as uhub is concerned. I clearly have a lot more reading to do.
Furthermore, having worked
By anon
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:28pm
Furthermore, having worked with several people from Japan in a professional capacity, I'm quite positive that the Japanese are more than well-educated and well-spoken enough to speak for themselves. It seems to me that it is the protesters who are in need of an education yet instead they are censoring education! No dialogue, just outright censorship based on false accusations aimed at shaming a cultural institution, an Asian kimono designer and museum patrons wishing to learn about Japanese culture. What a shame the cowards bullied a wonderful cultural institution into censorship. What's next? Someone is offended by evolution so science teachers are shamed into only teaching religiously approved 'science'? Horrifying. Someone has to stand up to these anti-education extermists.
The protesters were not anti
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 1:53pm
The protesters were not anti-education. They tried to educate everyone they spoke w/ at the MFA. The MFA really wasn't educating anyone on this kimono.
And they're not cowards. Try protesting something yourself. It's not an easy thing to put yourself out there and try to have a constructive dialogue with strangers.
I would feel much more supportive of the protestors
By Sally
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 3:52pm
if there had been more visible attempts to communicate concerns with either the MFA or the attendees instead of a leap to the jugular with the "racist imperialist" business. It's a pretty awful way to start a constructive dialogue, especially when there's enough blurriness re intent, cultural appropriation, etc. as we've seen in these posts. I know that this is the current style of calling attention to grievances--I just think it has the effect of stifling conversation and understanding rather than encouraging it.
Hi Sally, the activists did
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 5:19pm
Hi Sally, the activists did try contacting the MFA. They were dismissively told to use the suggestions box.
From Christina Wang:
Banned in Boston.
By anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:46pm
Banned in Boston.
"We look forward to
By Irmo
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 6:59pm
"We look forward to continuing the Museum’s long-standing dialogue about the art, culture and influence of Japan."
They say this after giving in to this nonsense specifically to avoid having to make a dialogue with a bunch of self-righteous twits.
Kimonogate
By PeyoteEatingWat...
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 7:16pm
In the year or so that I have been enjoying UHub, I have to say that this is one of the strangest stories I have come across. The people protesting this seem to me to have taken the "cultural appropriation" to the extreme, to the fringe. It made me think about all of the years that I spent studying Aikido as a teenager. Was I somehow a racist for doing so? What about whites who glom on to Tibetan Buddhism and yoga et al? Should people strictly stick with activities generated by members of their own racial background, lest they risk being labeled racist? These are confusing times we live in!
There's a useful flow chart
By Dot net
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 7:21pm
There's a useful flow chart here: [url=http://alltogethernow.org.au/news/cultural-appropr... Easy Guide to Cultural Appropriation[/url]. It's below the examples. I think you're on pretty safe grounds.
That was an interesting
By PeyoteEatingWat...
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 9:13pm
That was an interesting article. Makes a lot more sense to me now. I admit that I had a bit of a knee jerk reaction to the original article & thought that the protestors were silly, but the more I think about it, the more I can appreciate their perspective. Thanks!
I had the opposite conclusion
By Jeff F
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 11:53pm
Setting aside my impression that the article was both simplistic and paternalistic, it actually implies that the what the MFA was initially doing was not cultural appropriation. People attending the museum event were encouraged to learn the meaning and history of the kimono, and to wear a complete and authentic example in a non-ironic manner. That gets them safely through the 'flow-chart' at the end of the article.
Conversely, by the article's reasoning, nearly every child in Africa or Asia wearing an American T-shirt is far more guilty of cultural appropriation than the MFA attendees.
***
The protesters were silly. Actually, they were worse, they were exploitive wolf-criers who did nothing to encourage greater intercultural understanding or respect - in fact, wrt Japanese-American rapport, they did the opposite (which I cynically believe may have been their true motive all along).
I agree.
By dmcboston
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 7:17am
It seems the MFA (note-IANA fine art expert) was doing it right. Then along come some social justice warriors that aren't Japanese and decry yellowism.
I like the Buddha example from the article. A few years ago the Jade Buddha (big statue) was in Worcester. They were selling Buddha Bling to raise money. Tasteful stuff, but really goes against the grain of the SJW hurted feelings.
Oh, want a good chuckle? Look up 'Golden Buddha'. Basically, they built an 11,000 pound gold Buddha. Then lost it. For two hundred years.
I'm just waiting for next St. Patrick's Day (appropriated by fans of General Knox as Evacuation Day) when there will be a great hue and cry about the wearing of fake red beards and the noble plastic hats of my people.
Tasteful stuff, but really
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 9:35am
Assumptions, assumptions. How do you know it hurts their feelings?
It doesn't hurt my feelings, for instance, because it's marketed towards Buddhists and others who visited the temple and appreciate the faith.
The MFA exhibition doesn't
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 9:39am
The MFA exhibition doesn't get through the chart because they didn't offer education of the kimono. The MFA itself gets through the chart, but not everyone they are offering to try on the kimono does. Because there is no explanation of the kimono beyond that it was donated and that Parisians loved Japanese things like it.
BTW, American t-shirts are donated to charity, and then taken to Africa and Asia to be resold as cheap, durable clothing. Are there any Americans actually affronted by this act of recycling by poorer economies? I think not.
Well actually
By zz
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:44pm
Some might not agree with your last point. Google has lots of other examples.
Since we are talking about
By bgl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:51pm
Since we are talking about Japan, I can assure you that they are not taking American recycled clothing. Same thing with South Americans, and yes, even Europeans wearing American T-Shirts. Are you sure there were not plaques on the Kimono or painting describing more in depth things? Perhaps there was an intro that went over things more, or booklet?
There were no such things, as
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 1:55pm
There were no such things, as described by the protesters. And they were looking very hard for them. I'm going myself to see. I'll let you know.
I was addressing someone's earlier point on poor Asians and Africans wearing recycled US t-shirts. Not Japanese in particular.
The Real Issue
By John Costello
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 7:31pm
Anyone notice that it is a terrible painting to begin with?
God bless the MFA for having to deal with this lunacy. They are really doing some great things with the displays in the American wing.
On a tangent, Let's hope the protesters stop using all those cars, trains, electric light bulbs, cell phones, iPads, and other things that we imperialists came up with over the ages.
Welcome!
By JohnAKeith
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 8:11pm
Welcome to Boston, new MFA Director Matthew Teitelbaum! Here's the shitshow you have to look forward to!
He is Canadian
By John Costello
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 8:37pm
Hence the back down and the caving in about the whole matter.
He hasn't taken over Malcom
By anon
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 1:18am
He hasn't taken over Malcom Rogers' position yet, not until early August.
Time to bash Canada eh?
By anon
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 5:20am
Can't you friggin masshole troglodytes get through one of these posts involving an "other" without sniping?
Do your lives really suck this much?
Do provide your summary of Canada backing down moments as an inherent feature of its being so we get more to work with than yet another putrid lazy weasel assertion.
Stephen Harper is no prize, but still.
https://youtu.be/IfM_cqOLnE8
Backing Down?
By John Costello
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 10:42am
Vancouver June 2011/Roberto Luongo's incredible lack of depth perception. Sorry man, you left yourself wide open on that one. Call me a masshole, you get a masshole response.
As a member of the MFA I can say that backing down here to a small group of not even Japanese protesters over something as simple as putting on fabric is idiotic and infantile. It is a speech code straitjacket that the MFA has put themselves into. Malcolm Rogers has spent 20 years bringing what was not a faltering, but not thriving institution scared of its own shadow (and its neighbors) into a really fantastic place and now we have got some twerps fancying themselves as some sort of Black Lives Matter crowd, except involving French Impressionism and silk, ruining a legacy.
The MFA got burned by a bunch of self-important weenies and it pisses me off.
But that still isn't all of Canada.
By anon
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 4:53pm
Nice deflection though.
I give Mass Audubon 60 bucks each year but I won't inflate the significance of my relationship to it.
So we have severe hand wringing and pearl clutching because one show and tell gimmick failed to persist. Whatever will we do with this ruined legacy?
There does seem to be some national press as I just saw a piece in L A Times so maybe the worry of the MFA extends beyond the confines of here.
I don't have an opinion on kimono try outs but the loathsome bullshit people spew over the course of this thing about how Japan sux, Canada sux is and so on is just the worst kind of low life rube screech. Well played.
Protesters were wearing
By Roman
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 8:12pm
Protesters were wearing western clothing too. Bad.
Western clothing is
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 9:26am
Western clothing is predominantly made in Asia. And it is worn globally, and has been for many decades. Wearing t-shirt and pants is of no special significance anywhere. Unlike a cultural icon such as a kimono.
What about a beret, kilt,
By bgl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:56pm
What about a beret, kilt, dirndl, Irish cap, sombrero, and a whole host of other culturally identifiable items of clothing (those were just European ones off the top of my head)?
The sombrero is thought to
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 2:04pm
The sombrero is thought to originate from Mexico. And I don't really care about those other articles of clothing because they can't suffer from being seen with an [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orientalism_(book)]orientalist view[/url].
What are your thoughts on the
By Burt Batman
Thu, 07/09/2015 - 11:00am
What are your thoughts on the urban sombrero?
The Mexican Sombrero (well,
By bgl
Thu, 07/09/2015 - 2:15pm
The Mexican Sombrero (well, that actually just means wide brimmed hat in Spanish) originated in Spain. So basically, you don't care about people wearing sombrero's on Cinco de Mayo, or Irish hats/shamrocks/etc on St. Paddy's, because things like this happening in other cultures is fine, but its no OK to happen to a culture you are kind of, sort of related to, when it isn't even in the same league (museum using the Kimono for what it was made for in Japan by the Japanese government for it to be tried on in museums to accompany the painting) ? Really? As if Mexico wasn't a colony, or as if the UK didn't still own the northern part of Ireland.
I first saw this painting in 1970 or 1971,,,,
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 9:32pm
... and thought then that this was the dopiest Monet the MFA owned. I haven't grown any fonder over the years. But when it went to Japan on loan, it was very popular there -- thus leading to the gift of the replica kimono -- which the makers seemingly _wanted_ people to have a chance to (briefly) wear. Too bad non-Japanese activists decided to spoil the party.
Your tangent is odd. Should
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 10:07am
Your tangent is odd. Should slaves not have used guns from Harper's Ferry during John Brown's attempted insurrection because they were made by White men? Should Communists not use electricity because it was invented by decadent capitalism?
I am Japanese American and I didn't find this offensive
By Anon
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 10:30pm
I am Japanese American, and I didn't find anything offensive about what the MFA was doing. It is telling that none of the protesters are actually Japanese. Kimono are not a birth right. They used to be exclusive to the nobles, but Japan destroyed much of the noble classes years ago as part of the democratization of the country.
The MFA has played a key role in US history promoting Japanese art and architecture. The protesters should be ashamed of their own ignorance.
At least one of the protest signs....
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 07/07/2015 - 10:58pm
... actually seemed anti-Japanese.
That was my first reaction...
By Sally
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 8:55am
Like--are they telling everyone, with bitter irony, to try on the kimono to see what it's like to be a "racist imperialist" i.e. taking a dig at Japan for their many past er, racist imperialist transgressions against its neighbors? While I welcome dialogue about cultural appropriation, this whole thing still seems like a blatant overreaction to me, so that the chance for any kind of useful conversation was blotted out by a mix of embarrassment and confusion. And shouldn't the non-Japanese protesters have had some kind of dialogue with an actual Japanese-American before appropriating/inventing outrage in their behalf and creating a kerfuffle?
Heh
By BlackKat
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 8:59am
Outrage Appropriation
I disagree with the analysis
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 8:24pm
I disagree with the analysis of the young person's protest sign, especially after reading the group's Facebook page. He was comparing putting on the kimono at the MFA last week to the way Camille Monet and the Parisians put it on, as the initial cultural appropriators. The Parisians so into Japonisme were citizens of an Asian colonial power, the French Union [Empire].
Hence, the sign, try on the kimono and feel how French imperialists would have felt.
Not to rehash this whole thing but
By Sally
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 9:59am
I do think that the fine points of this whole topic are getting steamrollered--first by the protestors who used inflammatory, hyperbolic language to make a point that could have easily been addressed in a simple conversation or question, as in "this bothers us and here's why." And I would say again--read more about Japonisme. This was NOT an aesthetic movement driven by colonialism or oppression--it was about trade between two powerful sovereign nations BOTH of whom had colonial interests in other parts of Asia. The notion of Japan as a mute, powerless victim here whose culture was being pillaged (and needs defending 100+ years later by Chinese-Americans) is just plain inaccurate and that's why the unintended irony of the sign struck many people.
Well, the painting is from
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 10:17am
Well, the painting is from 1875. Japan is entering Korea, yet Western powers are imposing unequal treaties as late as 1868. They don't really pull back from the colonialist view of Japan until Japan defeats Russia in 1895. [url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unequal_treaty#Unequ... treaties imposed on Japan.[/url]
I don't think the protesters are really defending Japan. They are taking a pan-Asian view that cultural appropriation of any Asian culture is an affront to all of them. As Asian Americans.
Pan Asian View?
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 10:29am
Not really. They are taking their own personal views and attempting to enlarge them to the level of international importance.
One might argue that such a "pan Asian view" is pretty revisionist at best, and oversimplifying to the point of cultural obliteration at the worst.
After all, the Japanese have spoken on the matter of this painting and sent kimono for the purposes that these "pan Asian" protesters are claiming is all wrong. Pretty condescending.
I guess I should have said
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 10:48am
I guess I should have said specifically Asian American rather than Pan-Asian. Asian Americans are a Pan-Asian group.
In other words
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 11:37am
This is about your issues with US society.
It has nothing to do with a non-disadvantaged group of Asians interacting with a foreign museum, or the terms of a consensual cultural exchange between equals.
Ugh.
Perhaps you should pick a more appropriate and representative target next time. At the very least, subject your targets to a proper power analysis before sounding off in insulting and patronizing ways.
The target is the MFA. I'm
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:14pm
The target is the MFA. I'm not a protester. I just can't dismiss their point of view out of hand. What is your power analysis of the MFA's role?
Equal partners in cultural exchange
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 12:31pm
The Japanese were not disadvantaged here. There is no coercion for them here. In fact, it appears that they proposed the exchange (or reciprocation) and dictated the terms of it.
The protesters are seriously disrespecting the Japanese autonomy, agency and role in this exhibition, and their conflation to "everything Asian in America" is patronizing on that account.
Well, the kimono try-on
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 2:08pm
Well, the kimono try-on bothers Asians here, including some Japanese Americans I know. And the kimono is still being exhibited in the MFA, so I don't know why the Japanese should be bothered.
Right
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 3:45pm
So generic Asians, whose experience of the US is exceptionally different from that of Japanese-Americans on different coasts and of Japanese in Japan and from Japanese immigrants, get to dictate the terms of the conversation.
Doesn't it strike you as extremely presumptuous and condescending? Doesn't that reek of cultural insensitivity of Asian Americans to the Japanese artisans who provided the kimono? Obviously not, because you are way too far up in your own head and experience to begin to understand complicated differences, differential perspectives, and variations in the degree of agency involved.
Who is a generic Asian? What
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 4:09pm
Who is a generic Asian? What does that even mean? There are Japanese Americans right here in Boston who are the glad the way the MFA setup their kimono try-on is cancelled.
I don't see anyone being presumptuous or condescending. What I've seen are young people having conversations with museum goers and staff at the MFA, that they will continue to have. To explain why they thought the try-on was ill conceived, and to ask the MFA to respond to them. Because they tried contacting the MFA numerous times and were dismissed. If their concerns were heard before they chose to protest the second week of the exhibit, the MFA could have avoided any controversy.
Swirly, you say I don't understand different experiences. I understand some Asian Americans', including Japanese Americans' experience of discomfort at this exhibit. I also understand why many Japanese who live or grew up in Japan may not. I don't appreciate my attempts at explaining the activists' view labeled as being too far up my head.
I won't debate agency with you because I've already done that in the previous topic on this w/ Michael. Let's just say I dispute your characterization of me as not considering the artisans at all.
Yup. And some find that use
By anon
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 10:29am
Yup. And some find that use of a pan-Asian, monoculture only when it's convenient to the activists to be misrepresentative and tactless, as we've seen from the pushback responses by Japanese Americans.
Very effective
By Sock_Puppet
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 1:31pm
Japanese artisans will have to think twice before they try to express themselves around these parts again.
Very effective, conflating
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 2:09pm
Very effective, conflating the artisans overseas who don't have control over the exhibition, with the MFA.
I disagree. See my response
By Dot net
Wed, 07/08/2015 - 9:22am
I disagree with that assumption. See my response to Sally above.
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