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Bernie backers fill convention center
By adamg on Sat, 10/03/2015 - 8:21pm
Tamas K-L shows us the inside of the convention center during tonight's Bernie Sanders rally.
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All for nothing.
http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/06/24/416929786/this-qui...
Do you honestly believe that..
...he'll just drop out over party affiliation semantics?
Does the fate of any Democrat
Does the fate of any Democrat or liberal depend on whether he/she is on the New Hampshire primary ballot?
For that matter, once you go beyond the optics of its earliest-in-the-nation status, does any election really depend on how a candidate does in NH anymore? Don't we pretty much know how conservative white guys are going to vote?
Presumably, if he has trouble
Presumably, if he has trouble getting on the ballot in NH then he will also have trouble elsewhere. The NH law doesn't appear to be particularly quirky.
How would it serve Democrats to keep Bernie off the NH ballot?
Democrats could keep Sanders off the ballot in NH if they wanted to but they would never risk alienating his supporters in New Hampshire and Iowa where Sanders is leading in the polls.
Democrats need primary voters to show up in the primary and in the general election. By keeping him off the ballot in New Hampshire they'd put many votes at risk.
usuncut.com:
NPR
Shillary's public propaganda wing these days.
There is a movement to get people to stop funding NPR and send the money to Bernie instead. Their coverage of Bernie, when they mention him at all, is entirely about how he will inevitably lose to Hillary so don't support him.
Dems against NPR....
HAS THE WORLD GONE BATSHIT CRAZY?
See, I hear this
But I listen to NPR on a very regular basis and while there may not be quite as much coverage of Bernie as some of the Bernie supporters would like, he's there. Hell, he was the guest on On Point last week, and he spent most of his time talking about his platform.
And really, most of what I hear about Hillary is all about emails, not sure that's helping her any.
So what Happened?
Did Bernie have anything to say?
Wow, you are having an exciting Saturday night.
Forget your Netflix login again?
The Globe has report
Here.
Overflow Crowd
The speech was also being shown at the Lawn on D.
Hillary was in Dorchester
Hillary was in Dorchester today.
How big?
How big a crowd did she draw?
Hillary in Dorchester?
Was that Hillary or Marie Antoinette trying to flee before the weekend at Bernie's!
No surprise
This is the biggest and most trustafarian college town in America. I've met Senator Sanders, and heard him speak; imho he would never win a general election. Part of the reason for that is he's stiff, lacks the kind of ability to socialize like, for example, Bill Clinton. He just too detatched.
Ha ha ha...
I love hearing the "trustafarian" thing being tossed around--who are these people exactly? And I hate to break it to you, but the guy's been getting crowds like this everywhere he shows up. He may lack the rock star personality of a Clinton (Bill not Hilary...) but he's very compelling.
Conservatives resent mid and upper class kids inheriting trusts
Conservatives resent middle and upper class kids inheriting trusts but for some reason they want to get rid of the "death tax" for the super rich, so Trump's kids and the Walton family pay no estate tax on any of the wealth they've acquired. (Guess what Trump's tax plan does... LOL)
Sanders supporters pose a problem for the GOP. Many are young and well educated. The closest the Republicans have is Rubio and his policy doesn't address any of the concerns they have about building a life for themselves. Bernie tells it like it is, the top 1% own the same amount of wealth as the bottom 90%. For 40 years, all of the wage growth had gone to the top 20% while the bottom 80% have wage stagnation. That's not an economy that works for everybody. That's one that works unimaginably good for the very very rich and poorly for everyone else.
Working class Republicans like Bernie's message and he's making his pitch to them. He wants to win over the Reagan Democrats and so far he's doing well.
Good point about the death
Good point about the death tax and conservatives.
I think you are describing
Jeb Bush
Jeb Bush and Bernie
It accurately describes both.
And Bernie's been attracting crowds of Democratic Party true believers, but of course he's campaigning to win the Democratic Party primary. The general election is a whole other story.
'stuff happens' brain fart answer
Jeb is polling between Ted Cruz and Mika Huckabee in New Hampshire. He's been in decline for a while but his 'stuff happens' brain fart answer to a question about the UCC shooting in Oregon seems to be accelerating his mementum. Bernie's leading Hillary by 9.
Don't you mean
Jeb!
Or ...
Mitt "just borrow $30K from your dad to start a business" Romney?
You guys should run Mitt again.
He's got that businessman charm and perfect smile. Now THAT'S the guy we need.
Rhymes with Boston
You are probably thinking of Austin.
Well,
Boston has the largest college student population in the U.S. Montreal is #1 in Canada and North America.
When I say Trustafarian, I'm referring to the large number of old time Trustafarian hippies, in addition to the 21st century neo-Trustafarian hippies.
Common Fiction
NYC has the largest college student population, and Boston falls behind a number of other cities:
If we are talking students as a percentage of population, Boston isn't even close to #1, either. Not even top 10, actually, as Enormous State Universities tend to own the cities they are located in.
http://www.citylab.com/design/2012/08/americas-lea...
Good old
Bernie "$15" sanders - $15 nationwide, no less. Even in places where a house costs less than $40,000, and anyone making over $30k/year is considered filthy-rich. Genius I tell you, pure genius!
Nowhere in this whole country
Nowhere in this whole country is $30,000 a year considered rich. See, you guys fall for this garbage about how people don't deserve to make enough money to live off of unless they have a "hard-working" job. There are plenty of people that make minimum wage that work ten times harder than people making ten times as much money. Keep playing into that whole ideology pitting the middle class against the poor, it's really working for us as a nation. Maybe you should be more concerned about the people who control all the wealth and power who hoard it all for themselves, instead of the essentially helpless people who are barely getting by in today's economy. Bernie is the only candidate that even acknowledges this, so screw his mundane personality. Running for president shouldn't be a fuckin' popularity contest based on looks and charisma, it's about what they'll do as president!!
$30,000
Is pretty damn good when your house costs you next to nothing - in fact, someone making $30,000 out in Bumf*ck, MO is much better off than someone making $70,000 in Boston. Out there, $15/hour isn't a living wage, it's a living very well wage.
Links?
Could you provide some support for this "just so" story you keep telling us? I'm sure there is plenty at census.gov to help you out.
That wonderful standard of living must certainly explain the extreme poverty found in Kentucky, Tennessee, Alabama, Mississippi, Missouri, etc.
Having lived in Bumfuck, MO,
Having lived in Bumfuck, MO, I can assure you 30k is hardly the lap of luxury. Mostly because of things like: unlike in MA, if you make 30k there's no $$ help with getting healthcare. There's no public transit and you MUST have a car if you want to continue pulling in your pittance. The weather sucks and you still have to pay for heat (AND AC, which I've done without here).
They do have widely available public kindergarden (that goes all day!) though, so childcare is cheaper.
There are plenty of people
It's why people say "Work smarter, not harder."
Places with $40,000 houses
The nearest jobs to those places are sometimes 50+ miles distant. That's why they are so cheap. Ditto for places to shop. You end up driving 50,000 miles a year to make ends meet and do basic errands.
Such places make Western MA look urban.
That means that you have to have a very durable vehicle to stay employed, and that costs a lot of money and gasoline. Your housing might not cost much, but your utilities might cost a lot AND your transportation costs will outstrip your housing costs and eat that $30K salary.
Zillow is your friend
Pull up KC (or any other large cheap city) and filter for properties under under $40,000. There might be some kind of special filter in swirlyworld that will hide them, but in the real world you'll see well over 1,000. There must be some sort of distance dilation filter as well, I suppose, that turns 5 miles into 50.
Indeed it is - but maybe not yours
I did that search, filtered it so it showed houses, not apartments or rentals, and not "potential listings" (aka houses on banks' foreclosure lists but not in the MLS).
I got 367 results.
However, in clicking on a bunch of those, I saw that the majority were listed as foreclosed or auction properties, with the starting bid being $40K or less - meaning they could actually end up selling for more. There's no way of knowing how those auctions will actually end up, and a very quick google didn't show me any data on past auction markets in that region.
Also, I noticed that most of the listings had been on zillow for over 250 days (some for two years or more), indicating that they were not at all attractive to serious buyers.
All in all, after about ten minutes of clicking through a bunch of the listings, I found only two or three that weren't in very sketchy parts of town, with (according to zillow) lower-than-average projected growth, and extremely bad schools (never saw one rated higher than a 4 out of 10, mostly 1-3, whereas even in pretty troubled parts of Boston there are schools rated at 6 or better in many neighborhoods. (South Boston seems to be the exception, with barely any schools rated above a 3).
On the plus side, the unemployment rate in the KC metro is exactly the national average of 5.2%.
Well
Clearly you're not going to find a Ritz penthouse for $40k, but it shows that it is in fact very easy for a two earner household making well under $15/hour each to buy a house in cheaper part of the country. Heck, $8/hour would be more than enough. And before all the bleeding hearts create a flood of biblical proportions, it's impossible for a middle class single earner to buy a house out here, why should the poor get preferential treatment elsewhere?
Foreclosure sales are no
Foreclosure sales are no picnic. Usually require All Cash purchase as in no mortgage. And most times the property is in disrepair and sold as is - so cash to buy, cash to fix, and now because if the mess of the robo signing etc they take lots more time to close meaning that the house that you are bidding in may not close for a year. So usually foreclosure a are purchased by investors and not mom and pop. Try to feed a family on $8 an hour- that is poverty. And poor working people are usually doing the shittiest hardest jobs without any safety net. I have been there to a point - my parents owned thei house so i was never in danger of being homeless or hungry. Not so for many people all over this state and all over the country. As you can tell i did not vote for mitt "i didn't make much on speaking fees last year, only $300k" Romney who skirts taxes while running for president. What an ass hole or anal fissure.
But KC is still an asphalt
But KC is still an asphalt wasteland of far flung suburbs, so the point about transportation costs still stands.
KC
There's plenty of houses going for under $50K (i.e. under $300/month mortgage) within a 5 mile radius of the city center. So no, not every city out there is like Boston, where you'd pay $300K and still have to deal with flying bullets, and not every city needs $15/hour minimum wage just so a two-earner household can make ends meet.
More importantly, do you think all those who started at minimum wage and worked their way up to let's say $10.50 or so will just sit quietly when newly hired burger flippers are making as much as they do once $15 goes into effect, or will they demand a ~45% raise from the new minimum wage? Now, $31,000 a year for flipping burgers in a low COL city already sounds pretty damn absurd when many college grads there start at that level, but $45,000 a year is way beyond insane.
True - and usually cultural
True - and usually cultural activity / exposure and good food is lacking. Drove across country several times and took local roads - never saw so many unhealthy looking over weight people in my life! Now everyone is fat (myself included) but this is 20 years ago - and in the middle of the country it's all bible music, "all you can eat" buffets filled with awesome quantities of horrible processed food. I could not get fresh dairy for coffee - every place used coffee-mate or some other type if non-dairy powdered creamer. It was an eye opener - no fresh food in farm country- that's why it cost more to live in the cities. I am sure not all cities are great like metro-boston USA
Platform
Sanders' senate platform and his presidential platform are consistent and are available here:
https://berniesanders.com/issues/
The senate website is down at the moment, but google it, and it will be yours, along with his voting record and Senate committee activity.
To the concern about a living wage in low cost of living areas: those areas are predominantly in very low populated rural communities and would only affect a miniscule percentage of the population. At any rate, they wouldn't be living large.
Since when do we not want good things for our fellow citizens and neighbors? A civil society is not a zero sum game.
Not quite
Entry level salary for college grads is in the low 30s in many large cities with lower cost of living like KC, and $150k would buy you a luxury loft that goes for a cool million in Boston.