By adamg on Mon., 11/16/2015 - 12:46 pm
The Globe reports.
Mayor Walsh issued a statement:
As a city and as a country it is not our custom to turn our backs on people who are in need and who are innocent. We have yet to receive guidelines from the federal or state government on how they will move forward, however should we be told that Boston is accepting refugees, we will work with our partners at the federal, state and local levels to ensure the safety of Boston residents.
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This is disgraceful
By lbb
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 1:43pm
I'm really ashamed of our "leadership". This is disgraceful. This is so unworthy of our ideals.
For once
By Sally
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 1:46pm
we are in total agreement. Feeling completely gut-punched by this. Ashamed for our state that we are hot of the heels of LA, TX, and AL.
nah
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 1:52pm
we aren't really similar to those places at all, i suggest you spend more time in the rural areas of those states and either be or interact with a minority. and look at the glances you get from the white people down there lmfao.
That's not enough
By lbb
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:13pm
My old granddad had a saying, "This is not a competition to see who's the worst." It was his way of saying that one shouldn't take pride in not being as bad as others. This is something to be ashamed of, not to say "eh, those other people are worse" about.
except
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:19pm
i claimed that, verbatim, 'we aren't really similar at all' not that 'well we aren't as bad as they are'
No--just saying
By Sally
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:18pm
that I read first that Bobby Jindal and the governors of TX and AL had said no Syrians, then Michigan which is even more shocking given their population and then Indiana and then us. It's a pretty sad crew to be allied with.
more hyperbole damn
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:21pm
unless the governors of these states and ours have come out and supported each other i would hardly call them allies, just similarly idiotic on one issue. allies implies conspiracy. what we have here is a failure to understand the powers of state vs federal agencies, as well as a complete fart of a basic level of human understanding.
also it amuses me that you think an area having a higher population of a certain type of people would make that area more tolerant of them. ask my latino brethren in the south of the US how they feel about that
They're fellow travelers, OK?
By lbb
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:28pm
We get it, OK? We get it that they're not "allies" in any meaningful sense. Now do you get the point that if people are inspired by each other's idiocy to do the same stupid shit, whether they're "allies" or not is not particularly relevant to the harm they do?
Charlie Baker tarred himself with this brush. If he wants to scrape off the mess he's made, he can do it himself. Or he can try.
nah
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:33pm
he hasn't tarred himself. i frankly assume that most of the people that vote don't consider this to be a very egregious stance.
tarring, like beauty, is in the eye of the beholder
Ok
By Sally
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:33pm
Idiotic on one issue, then.
But I'm still surprised that the Arab population of Michigan doesn't wield a bit more political influence at least on a local level.
as a former resident of MI
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:38pm
that population is very, very concentrated when you take a look at the state as a whole.
plus, while i admit i didnt live in dearborn, i can only assume that Ford having its world headquarters there probably has the brunt of any political power anyway
Disgraceful, indeed
By Whurlz
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 3:46pm
Baker's action is cynical, self-serving, hate-enabling posturing of the worst kind.
(edited for clarity due to expanding thread)
Hey, I wish
By dmcboston
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:06pm
xenophobia was a character defect rather than a survival instinct. But, it's just too friggin crazy out there.
Iran is Shia and Persian. They speak Farsi, not Arabic. The Baathists (Al-Assad and Saddam Hussein) are Sunni and Arab. The folks running (if you could call it that) Iraq are Shia, but not Persian. They're Arabs. When the Iranians show up to help, it doesn't always go well. The Syrians have Al-Nusra and about a dozen other individual sects, all fighting each other as well as Al-Assad.
Al-Qaeda in the Arab Peninsula took credit for the Charlie Hebdo attack. They also are pushing into Yemen, where the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia (Arab and Sunni) and their good buddies the Iranians (Shia Persians) are fighting them, but only in the east. The UAE apparently sent at least one Patriot battery into Yemen with UAE ground troops helping the government there fight Iran backed Shia rebels. I think this is in the western part of the country. I might have my geography reversed.
Hamas and Hezbollah want to kill every Jew in the area, so they can get on with the important work of fighting each other. The Jews are not willing to cooperate with that. The Kurds are Sunni, but they really don't go to church all that much. They just want to be left alone, collect oil revenue and not be bothered with it all. They also happen to be the best, most pragmatic group of fighters over there. They have female fighters in their ranks, fully equal to the men. Some are professional snipers. Given any kind of backing, they can usually win whatever objective they want. They are tactical and smart. Turkey, a once secular but more Islamic state, has a large Kurdish population. They really don't like each other.
The Taliban (remember them?) are in Pushtun Afghanistan and parts of Pakistan. They move across the border sporadically, depending on local conditions.
The crazier Islamic terrorists wish to spread the caliphate to the entire world. They will fail, but it's just a question of how many innocent victims they will take with them. The wahabbi schools of conservative (or radical, heh) Islam as taught by our good friends the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia really did come back to bite them on their oil-rich asses. They have a problem in the Kingdom. How many Syrians did they take in? Zero. Nada. None. They're afraid to. They won't do it.
So why should we? Let them resettle in a Muslim country where they can have their religion without being bothered.
Over 150,000 Bosnian Muslims
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:45pm
Remember that war? We let in 150,000 people.
Was there any problem?
Citation please.
By dmcboston
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:28pm
Citation please.
380,000 Russians, 180,000 Vietnamese, 169,000 Former Yugoslavian
By itchy
Wed, 11/18/2015 - 9:35am
http://america.aljazeera.com/watch/shows/america-t...
Let them resettle in a Muslim
By lbb
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 9:55am
That's part of the problem, you nitwit! Do you think the Taliban quietly allowed Muslims with a more secular mindset to go about their business? Do you think that wahhabis tolerate Sufis? Or that ISIS tolerates anyone who doesn't 100% toe their line?
Dumbest idea ever. EVER.
That's part of the problem, you nitwit!
By dmcboston
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 12:34pm
Yup, I guess I'm just a nitwit or an idiot, like everyone else here that disagrees with your always correct thoughts.
Sorry, I thought you might be bright enough to note the sad irony in my statement.
" Do you think the Taliban quietly allowed Muslims with a more secular mindset to go about their business? Do you think that wahhabis tolerate Sufis? Or that ISIS tolerates anyone who doesn't 100% toe their line? "
Why not? It's the Religion of Peace.
"Let them resettle in a Muslim country where they can have their religion without being bothered."--me
That's the problem. There are none.
Ideals are not always reality
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:13pm
Ideals are not always reality.
Is that what you told your mom
By lbb
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:25pm
Is that what you told your mother when you did something shameful? "Hey, ideals are not always reality, Mom!"
Updated post with statement from Walsh
By adamg
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 1:50pm
Not saying no just yet, I think.
i actually laughed
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:35pm
at the idea that walsh thinks he has any say over any of this
tough noogies, Charlie
By Malcolm Tucker
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 1:59pm
The U.S. signed the Convention relating to the Status of Refugees, as did nearly every other country (most in 1951; the U.S. joined in 1967 when the terms were broadened a bit - so that not solely people displaced during WWII were counted as refugees.)
Thank you
By cybah
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:02pm
Thank you Mr Tucker.
I was going to post this link
http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2015/11/16/372262...
Which I just saw come thru on Facebook. Charlie can say he doesn't want to but he has virtually no say in the matter)
So what his statement really means is..
By lbb
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:17pm
So what his statement really means is that he's an ignorant, posturing, attention-seeking security-theater blowhard.
Yes
By cybah
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:18pm
Yes!
(OMG we're agreeing for once)
In other words
By roadman
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:19pm
he's a card carrying Republican.
Notice how Charlie always has Tea Party Polito..
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 3:52pm
..standing next to him? That's who he selected as his Lt. Gov. That's all you need to know about Charlie.
Moderate Republican? Nope.
Typical Republican? Yup.
You would think that we would have learned our lesson with Mitt. Nope.
damn my eyes
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:35pm
I initially read that as "Tea Party Polio".
I suppose you could get that from poor ideological sanitation resulting from inadequate reality infrastructure.
You are remarkable!
By Patricia
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:37pm
You are remarkable!
You win the prize!!
I thought I've read it all......
the politicalization of this tragedy is expected on both sides. This post is the best though! He/She even managed to bring in the tea party (I thought they were dying out for some time, you mean they're still around? Weren't we told they fizzled out some time ago?
Some (most) of the posts today are just so over the top, it's really unbelievable.
Politicization on both sides you say, Patricia?
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:47pm
Republican Charlie Baker's statement about keeping out Syrian refugees was 100% pure politics and had nothing to do with public safety.
And to date 100% of the grandstanding governors making similar statements are Republicans.
And Republican Karyn Polito has a history of palling around with the Tea Party brand of the Republican Party and other extremist right wing Republicans
"Both sides", my derriere.
NH is on board.
By dmcboston
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:14pm
Democrat governor. They'll be more, I think. People are afraid of this murderous violence.
Fear
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:39pm
Is the mind killer.
10,000 gun murders a year
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:53pm
Then they should leave the US.
Simple.
Correction
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 11:59pm
DemocratIC governor.
So lame.
Yes.
By Patricia
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:14am
Yes.
Obviously there is no room for rational thought.
Suddenly, to suggest that we have proper system in place to vet the refugees coming to our country is a bad thing. My God.
Yes, we can take these refugees and we should but why is it so awful that we make sure we know who we're taking in?
If you read the headline in the Globe, Baker said he was holding off on the refugees at this time.
What Adam wrote and what were stated were two different things.
But, you'll take it as you want it.
Please explain "both sides"
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 5:53pm
You seem to love this term "both sides", even when the realities are far more complex.
Which "both sides" are you talking about?
It seems to me we have two
By Patricia
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:19am
It seems to me we have two options:
Let everyone in! Yay!
Refuse all refugees from Syria. Yay!
It seems to me this discussion on this board is either one or the other.
There is a happy middle, you know? There is a way to be a grown up. Vet the refugees coming in and the vetting may require a bit more than what was done in the past, given the news coming out that one of the ISIS fanatics boasts coming in with the flux of refugeees.
That is what a sensible person would do.
But to suggest such a thing will open me up to criticism and even being called a hater.
You know what? I really don't care.
We've jumped the shark.
You conveniently ignore the fact....
By Michael Kerpan
Tue, 11/17/2015 - 10:51am
... that the federal system currently in place calls for extensive vetting of middle eastern refugees. How are states (and their governors) better equipped to second guess the federal approval process.
Superdelegates?
By SwirlyGrrl
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 8:12pm
Perhaps he isn't speaking to us, but about a potential darkhorse run given the clown car that the national GOP is fielding in the coming election?
Charlie showing his true...
By Michael Kerpan
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:05pm
... colors.;
Go ahead.
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 3:32pm
Obama will get impeached if he rams this through.
Two questions
By lbb
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:26pm
Rams through what?
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:48pm
Existing treaties and American law?
Existing treaties
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 5:57pm
Created hundreds of years ago that are definitely no longer applicable in their current form nowadays. A lot like the second and the forth amendments, for that matter.
The Convention is not a
By anon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 3:50pm
The Convention is not a suicide pact.
thought exercise for you
By Malcolm Tucker
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 4:13pm
Suppose World War III starts. Suppose hostile forces start bombing the holy hell out of American cities. Suppose you realize your only chance of survival is to flee to another country that's not a war zone. How would you feel if that country refused to accept you and your loved ones - because some Americans are prone to shooting up schools, blowing up doctors, setting fires to mosques and black churches, etc., etc., etc.? I bet you'd feel pretty bad. I bet you'd feel pretty hopeless.
Granted, this is a relatively far-fetched thought exercise, but a little bit of empathy would go a long way here. If you were a refugee, how would you want to be treated?
a systemic approach = a good thing...
By Leanon
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 2:08pm
I understand the knee-jerk reactions to this seeming just cold and xenophobic. But just consider this as a practical administrative move. Though perhaps not in these exact terms, I'm in support of the idea of taking a bit more time to figure out a better system for dealing with the refugee crisis. The numbers of refugees are unprecedented, and for procedural clarity therefore there needs to be enhanced coordination and cooperations amongst many nations (as well as states within). Because of open borders, Europe is struggling massively just with the simple administration and paperwork to get hundreds of thousands of new residents set up there-- Let alone properly administering security protocols by figuring out who they are and their immigration status. We can learn lessons from this by setting up a stronger framework to deal with the refugee crisis in a more streamlined and cohesive manner.
The only logical comment on
By Patricia
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 3:15pm
The only logical comment on this whole thread!
Congrats!
actually
By Scumquistador
Mon, 11/16/2015 - 3:20pm
recognizing that the governor of MA and even more laughably the mayor of boston have literally fuck all in the way of legal powers to dictate anything resembling refuge policy is pretty logical.
whether you like that fact or not.
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