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Councilors to try again to get the T to adjust commuter-rail fares in Boston

City Councilors Tim McCarthy (Hyde Park, Roslindale, Mattapan) and Michelle Wu (at large) want the T to publicly explain why people who use the Fairmount Line or who board the train at Forest Hills pay so much less than people who take commuter rail in from Roslindale and other parts of Hyde Park in particular.

As they did last year, the councilors argue that not only are the different zones for the Roslindale Village, Hyde Park and Readville stations unfair, they create traffic and parking problems around Forest Hills and Fairmount stations as commuters try to save some money by driving and parking there instead.

They point in particular to parking lots at Fairmount station - always full - and Readville station - always half empty, and say it makes no sense that people have to pay so much more to board at the Roslindale Village stop than at the Forest Hills stop a quarter mile away.

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I'm sure the MBTA itself isn't excited about the prospect of reducing fares anywhere at the moment, so here's my crazy (and admittedly not fully thought-out) idea: what if the city used some extra revenue from demand pricing at smart parking meters to subsidize commuter rail fares at Boston's zone 1 & 2 stations? It seems like this would give the city some levers to pull when it comes to balancing demand for parking and transit - if the commuter rail is so expensive that it's giving people an incentive to drive in and that's causing congestion, make parking a little more expensive and the train a little less expensive to see if you can ease that congestion a bit. I'm sure that parking meter money is earmarked for something else or the dollar figures don't work out or something, but is the idea so unreasonable?

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There is a simple solution to this problem that I suggested in my comments submitted to the MBTA during the 2012 fare increase. I intend to submit it yet again during the public comment period now ongoing.

Redefine Zone 1A as all stations within 11.82 track miles from North and South Stations. I picked 11.82 miles as that is the distance from Park Street to Braintree via the Red Line. The 11.82 mile limit would include areas that are roughly the same distance from Downtown Boston as the farthest rapid transit station; but due to various shenanigans over the last 70 years have yet to see any subway extensions. The 11.82 mile limit falls perfectly into the 175-year-old practice of defining fare zones and setting ticket prices based on the distances from the Boston terminals. It also responds to the complaints about one line or group of neighborhoods seemingly getting special treatment. Stations in largely working-class places like Lynn would see a ticket and pass price cut. Such "discounts" would encourage additional ridership, particularly during non-peak times. Would it not be better railroading and better for the MBTA bottom line to have ALL cars of a 5- or 6-car train actually being filled? If after one year there has been a noticeable mode-shift (i.e. most folks find it faster and more convenient to take the Commuter Rail from Lynn to Boston on a Sunday versus the Route 455 to Wonderland, thence the Blue Line) reallocate resources to meet any outstanding, unmet needs on the bus system.

/END RANT/

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It makes too much sense.

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Although you should understand that such reclassification would also put Wedgemere, Winchester, Belmont, and points in Newton into 1A.

Something that people should understand here: It simply does not matter whether or not a station is "in Boston". That's totally irrelevant. This is a regional transit system covering many communities. A fixed distance based on a reasonable metric is reasonable.

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The T, a state agency, cannot simply do what Wu and McCarthy want to do just because the stations are in Boston, except of course if the city were willing to cover for lost revenue. Doing this makes the fares fairer and accounts for the fact that one can take the Red Line from Braintree for a lot less than people living closer to downtown pay to ride the rails.

That said, all of this is neglecting the consequences aside from revenue- packed trains will have no place for the new riders.

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If rapid transit wasn't completely kneecapped in this city, the blue line would go to Lynn, the Orange line would go to Readville and Needham, the E would go to Forest Hills, and the Red Line would go to Mattapan. Huge swaths of the area are forced to rely on crappy buses or exorbitant Commuter Rail (or drive), while housing prices skyrocket around rapid transit. This is especially galling for those of us who live within the city limits of Boston but pay three times the fare as somebody who lives the same number of track miles from South Station in a suburban community that has rapid transit.

I've beaten this dead horse at least a half dozen times in other comment threads on this site. Nothing will change, but at least Councilor Tim can point at this effort when his constituents ask what he's done to try to fix the Readville/Fairmount fare fiasco.

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The initial plan for the Red Line extension beyond Harvard was to use the then unused railway right of way (now the Minuteman Bike Path) and run the Red Line all the way out to Bedford, with a stop on 128 comparable to Riverside.

Unfortunately, the plan made back in the 70s/80s made the decision (which feels like deliberate sabotage) that the extension was going to be built out to Arlington Center (which is not a good location for such a station) and then later on out to Bedford. Instead, we got the terminal at Alewife and the bike trail.

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is there a missing link to a press release or something here?

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I've attached a copy to the original post.

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1) The MBTA is a state agency, not under the city's jurisdiction. Thus municipal boundaries are irrelevant.

2) Commuter rail fares are based on distance from downtown Boston. Boston as a city is very oddly-shaped, with huge swaths of the southwestern suburbs annexed as part of the city, and thus municipal boundaries are fairly meaningless.

3) Lets look at some numbers!

Hyde Park is 7.6 miles as the crow flies from South Station. It is in Zone 1 ($5.75). Other Zone 1 stations include Quincy Center (7.4 miles from SS), Belmont (6.2 miles from NS), and Wedgemere (6.7 miles from NS). Seems fairly consistent.

Roslindale Village is 6.5 miles as the crow flies from South Station. It is also in Zone 1, consistent with the above stations.

Readville is 8.8 miles as the crow flies from South Station. It is in Zone 2 ($6.25). Other Zone 2 stations include Braintree (10.4 miles), West Newton (8.9 miles), Waltham (8.9 miles), Anderson/Woburn (10.25 miles), Greenwood (8.0 miles), and Lynn (8.9 miles). Again, this seems very consistent.

The Fairmount line is all Zone 1A to try and encourage ridership on the underutilized line. This is artificially low, and most of the line really should be Zone 1 based on distance. So rather than arguing that Readville riders should pay less based on Fairmount fares, we should be arguing that Fairmount riders should pay more based on Readville fares. The Fairmount Station lot wouldn't fill up as quickly if the train fare from there were not artificially lowered.

Forest Hills should remain Zone 1A to be consistent with the other subway - commuter rail transfer points around the system (Malden, JFK/UMass, Ruggles, Porter). If Forest Hills was actually Zone 1, for example, a rider from Zone 2 could theoretically buy an Interzone 2 pass ($105) plus a subway pass ($75) instead of a Zone 2 pass ($198), getting off at Forest Hills and transferring to the Orange Line to save money. As long as Forest Hills is Zone 1A, no money is saved by transferring from the commuter rail to the subway there, meaning commuter rail riders have little incentive to transfer there if their destination is downtown, keeping that Orange Line capacity available for local riders.

Now you may be asking "but what about Quincy Center and Braintree? They're not Zone 1A!" And you're correct - they're not. However, as pointed out above, their distances from South Station are consistent with being in Zones 1 and 2, and really the Red Line should have higher fares down here like it used to. Red Line riders are getting a bargain by being able to travel that far on a subway fare.

Essentially, the stations are in the fare zones they're in for good reason, and residents of Roslindale, Hyde Park, West Roxbury, etc. are not special because they technically live in Boston rather than a suburb.

Now I will admit the T could do something to address the huge jump in commuter rail fares compared to subway fares, but it should also be recognized that this is standard practice. Look at other cities with flat rate subway and distance-based CR fares and you'll find the same thing.

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The example of why Forest Hills needs to stay in Zone 1A is a good one. However, wouldn't you be able to free up even more Orange Line capacity by encouraging Roslindale and West Roxbury passengers to take the Commuter Rail instead of taking a bus to the Orange Line? Plus, you might even be able to save on a few buses and the costs of paying their drivers, since you only need one conductor per two commuter rail cars, which have a (seated) capacity of something like 170 each, versus one driver per bus with a capacity of around 60 (with 20 of those standing and somewhat densely packed).

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Especially when there's literally 8 bus lines that run between forest hills and rozzie square. not individual busses, bus LINES. The resulting traffic and inefficiency (because people heading to Washington and areas around the square just jump on the first bus, so they all have to make almost all the stops) are horrendous time and manpower wastes, and there's a good case to be made for the environmental effects. eliminate all but one of them for local Washington st traffic, have the rest of them turn around in the square, and price the square so people are getting on the train there instead of needing to sit on a bus for 30 minutes to go a mile and a half.

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This only makes sense with an Orange Line extension to, at a minimum Roslindale Village. Otherwise the trips now go from 1 Bus + OL to 2 Buses + OL. Talk about inefficient!

With the OLX in place, I couldn't agree with you more.

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The difference between these zones is crazy, and has become far more insane in the past decade or so. There used to be a premium of about 25% to ride the commuter rail opposed to taking the bus and subway. But a major change happened in 2007.

The MBTA started providing free transfers from the subway to local buses and also eliminated the two-token fares on the Braintree branch of the Red Line, so most riders of the local bus and subway system paid one fare per trip. Also the commuter fares went up by a higher percentage than the rest of the system.

In 2006 bus/subway commuters from Roslindale had to buy a Combo Pass that sold for $71. Now we buy a Link Pass that, despite several big fare increases on everyone else, costs just $4 more than it did then. A single bus/subway trip in 2006 cost $2.15. Now it costs $2.10.

The middle-distance riders should be careful what we ask for. We've been the luckiest riders in the city.

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What about Bellevue; Highland and West Rox? ; (

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Bellevue is right on the line, but Highland and West Roxbury are definitely in District 6... Councilor Tim isn't going to pander to anyone he doesn't have to!

(Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see T and CR fares rationalized, but I hold no illusions that the City Council has the power or influence to make it happen.)

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Thank you.

We should not be paying the $182 a month to travel within the city of Boston. Roslindale to Needham is about 7 miles and they only pay $16 more a month for their pass. I just don't think that is right. It costs $5.75 to go from FH to Bellevue (if on CR). and only .50 more to go to Needham for double the mileage.

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Actually Roslindale Station is about 1 mile from Forest Hills. Clock it along Washington st some day.

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I tested my Garmin watch on my walk home when I got it. It clicked to the mile either at Cummins Highway or Firth Road.

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When the last increase happened you had a whole lot more people driving to both Fairmount and Forest hills. Why? The 1A Combo pass is over $100 less than zone 1. Even with parking $2 or $4 more at Forest Hills the parking lots are full before 9AM. Also last February’s commuter rail meltdown increased the Forest Hills traffic. If there was a Zone 1A from Roslindale Village and Bellevue and it cost somewhere around $120. I know people would consider the Commuter rail. I would.

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The problem is that Zone 1A is too cheap, and the other zones are too expensive.

There shouldn't be a huge jump between any pair of stations. And it shouldn't cost 61 cents per mile to ride the train.

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The argument about calculated distance for the current fares does not make sense. It would be fine if fares were determined based on the distance a commuter travels (i.e. uses the system) such as in D.C., but to assign a fare based on where a commuter gets on the train, within the city, is unfair. Since we are not equipped to do this, it is only fair for the price to be the same for all Stations within the City. Why would someone who gets on the train at Roslindale Village and gets off the train at Ruggles have to pay more than double the person who gets on the train at Forrest Hill and gets off at South Station and is traveling further ($2.102 per ride and $75 monthly pass vs. $5.752 per ride and $182 monthly pass)? If the fares cannot be reduced to Zone 1A levels then a uniform fare, higher than current Zone 1A and lower than current Zone 1, should be designated for all stations within the city limits. Otherwise, the current fares not only disadvantages those who live at stations that are further out but encourages people to drive to work or to stations with lower fares, defeating the whole purpose of using public transportation.

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The MBTA does not belong to Boston. It is a regional transit authority.

but to assign a fare based on where a commuter gets on the train, within the city, is unfair

No. This is completely fair. To assign cheaper fares because "I'm still in Boston" is nonsense. My community pays a levy to the MBTA, too. Why should I pay more to ride five miles from North Station than somebody riding ten miles from South Station because I'm "not in the same city" when we all pay into a REGIONAL transit system? That would be unfair.

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The concept when "commuter rail" started was that passengers were going to a depot, hence the zone system.

You're gripe applies even more to people riding the train from Belmont to Porter, yet no one advocates zone changes for them.

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