Meaningless without enforcement. Has the mayor actually ordered public works employees to remove space savers, or will they just do a little finger wagging?
....and I'm young! I've done all those hip, young person, technological media entertainment social things -
I've used usenet!
I've used UNIX - and VAX!
I've used Prodigy!
I've used one of those great game console systems... with a 3/4 switch on the back of the connector.
I've owned rabbit ears.
...I have a Startac on my shelf at home...
.......I'm old enough to have had the experience of taking all the tubes out of my TV and carrying them up to the corner drugstore to use the tester machine......
I grew up on a party line. How many of you old-timers even know what that is? One long ring meant the call was for us, two short rings meant it was for our neighbors up the road. And sometimes you'd pick up the phone to make a call and there was already somebody talking, so you'd have to say "hey John, I need to make a call pretty soon, okay," to get them to wrap up and release the line.
The former makes no sense, you can have either "no parking" or "parking ban" but combining the two in to "no parking ban" just does not work. There is not a parking ban.
I use a space saver when necessary. Almost everyone on my street uses a space saver when necessary. And in my neighborhood I see lots of space savers.
It works in my neighborhood . We like space savers. And its not a problem. And since the declarations of parking emergencies are inconsistent, and the policy of space saver "removal" is hardly ever enforced , it is fair to say that the city government agrees with my use of space savers, despite the cute tweet last night.
I am accused by some Uhubbers of being "a shitty neighbor" and . "failed at life" , just in this thread, and plenty more in previous threads. Just because you don't own a car , or don't have to park on a city street, or think bicycles are the only moral form of transportation, doesn't bring any validity to your childish insults.
I guarantee that all of you blathering hypocrites would be using space savers at some point if you owned a car and lived in my neighborhood.
So have a nice day everyone, except for the shitty person who called me a shitty neighbor, and the obvious loser who called me failed at life. I wish you both another miserable day in your obviously miserable life.
And since the declarations of parking emergencies are inconsistent, and the policy of space saver "removal" is hardly ever enforced , it is fair to say that the city government agrees with my use of space savers...
Yes! And since speed-limit enforcement is inconsistent, and I never get stopped by the police for always driving 10 mph over the posted highway limit, the police must fully endorse my speeding. Also, good job clarifying that "when needed" is the same as "we like."
I am accused by some Uhubbers of being "a shitty neighbor" and . "failed at life" , just in this thread, and plenty more in previous threads. Just because you don't own a car , or don't have to park on a city street, or think bicycles are the only moral form of transportation, doesn't bring any validity to your childish insults.
Out of all the insults that hold any weight, I will lose the least amount of sleep over what the vast userbase of commenters here think. The non-drivers and non-residents are somehow the most vocal on the matter, and they all seem to wait for any space saver related topic to complain about something that doesn't affect them.
Declarations of snow emergencies are not inconsistent - they just don't match up to your selfish expectations. Enforcement wouldn't be necessary if everyone actually abided by the space saver use rule.
I have a car. I shovel out my car. You are only in favor of space savers because you manage to get a spot to save. In my neighborhood, people who are able to secure a spot in an area with extremely limited street parking are also very supportive of space savers.
Try being the person who has to work late one night and gets home unable to find parking anywhere. Because of shitty neighbors who think that if they shovel a little bit of snow, a PUBLIC parking spot belongs to them for whatever THEY determine to be a reasonable amount of time (usually the rest of the season).
The reason street parking works in a city is because there is a constant shuffling of cars at various times of day/night. Space savers impede that necessary cycle. When one person claims a spot, it is not available to others when the "saver" isn't even using the spot for 8-10 hours a day.
So, yes, "savers" are shitty, entitled neighbors. Bottom line: if you want to own a spot, pay for a spot. If you don't want to lose your public spot, don't leave it. If you leave it, it's fair game.
What about cars left for months in JP by JP residents -- is that somehow better? Does it matter if a car is left in northern JP by a southern JP resident?
winter storm warning, with up to eight inches predicted. DPW snowfighters are on nuclear alert waiting for the accumulation. Schools have been cancelled because how dare we teach kids that "hey, dealing with snow is part of life."
But Marty "campaigning for the circus in New Hampshire is more important than managing my city during a winter storm" Walsh decides not to declare a snow emergency because he doesn't want people using space savers.
Am I the only one who sees something totally bizarre about this?
when I was in elementary school and junior high, we almost NEVER had snow days. And, on the very rare ocassions when we did, the city (Lynn) would always declare a snow emergency.
And who's being defrauded when kids get snow days and are STILL allowed to take a week's vacation in the same month. The taxpayers, that's who. Perhaps if the kids were told "we can give you a snow day even though conditions aren't that bad - i.e. the rest of the world has to still cope with these conditions and attend their work. But you'll get one less vacation day for every snow day you take" then they might not be as eager to accept the snow day if conditions don't warrant a TOTAL shutdown of businesses and government offices as well.
Lastly, please explain to me how pointing out an obivous contradiction in policy (cancel school but don't declare a snow emergency) qualifies me as a "nutjob?"
Uhhh, calm down. They'll make the day up in June. The forecast for the morning commute time meant that getting thousands of kids to school this morning on the T and busses might have proved difficult or dangerous. However, the amount of accumulation expected doesn't really warrant banning parking on major roadways. Snow days and snow emergencies don't always have to go hand in hand.
1. teachers don't live nearby
2. administrators don't live nearby
3. bus services are contracted out and are not nearby
4. there have been ugly situations resulting in stranded kids
5. parents work outside the home, and need to plan ahead
6. forecasting is far more accurate and provides lead time
and
7. look at the top ten biggest snowstorms and the ten snowiest winters. See a pattern?
When my youngest was in kindergarten, we walked to school one day and found that, while the principal had made it in before the flash freeze event, few teachers had. Meanwhile, lots of kids within walking distance meant that kids were arriving and there were no adults. I stayed on and "taught" my son's class until the teachers could make it through the traffic (one of them was coming from across town). That's a hint about what might happen if school wasn't shut when a big storm was predicted at rush hour.
So are we babies for cancelling school or are we reckless for not declaring a snow emergency? Can't have it both ways. Space savers have nothing to do with today and they should be thrown away if seen.
enough to cancel school, then declaring a snow emergency should be a no-brainer as well.
And I agree that space savers should be irrelevant to these decisions. Of course, if Mahty was smaht, he would just issue a total ban on space savers and be done with it.
And if Mahty was doing urgent business that would actually benefit the City, I could excuse his absence at this time.
But going on a junket to play "Rah Rah Rah" in support of an outdated electoral system (the 27 gazillon and separate primaries and 8 billion candidates - oh wait, that's now 7 billion, 999 million, 999 thousand candidates because another person was too wimpy to see the process all the way through and dropped out) is hardly urgent business.
You mocked the idea of canceling school. This foolishly led us to believe you didn't think it was a big deal, but we see now that you think the opposite and just want to send these darn kids to your School of Hard Knocks. These kids today, huh?
the practice of cancelling school but not also declaring a snow emergency. That's not mocking anything, it's raising a legitimate point.
And perhaps you should ask the question - Why are school districts so liberal with snow days as compared to years ago? Especially when other people who have to deal with the same storm conditions don't get similar breaks?
I think it's an entirely reasonable and justified point of discussion we as a society should be having.
Kids just don't handle the weather as well as adults. Their bodies are smaller and lose heat more easily. They also don't have the judgement to react appropriately as conditions deteriorate.
Imagine a six-year-old standing at the bus stop waiting for a bus that is late because it's stuck in the snow.
Canceling school reduces traffic on the roads for everyone else, leaving more room for plows. It also means they don't need to shovel sidewalks and plow parking lots at the schools until the storm is finished, meaning some of that equipment can be used elsewhere.
However, riddle me this: In years past when most kids (even elementary school age) walked to school, and thus were more exposed to the elements in bad weather, snow days were relatively infrequent.
But now, with kids mostly riding buses or being driven to school by their parents, and thus are less exposed to the elements, snow days are far more frequent.
Back when our grandparents had to walk to school, Boston meticulously cleared the sidewalks and dumped all the snow into the street. Beacon Street, 1901
Why are school districts so liberal with snow days as compared to years ago?
1. Data may show that students don't show up on days like this anyway. Different times and such. I don't have a definitive answer or access to such data, but it's a thought.
2. Our infrastructure is garbage, and rapidly deteriorating even further, there's a very good chance they didn't expect getting there and back (more likely the latter) to be safe, or even possible for many.
Why a snow emergency wasn't declared is another question altogether, not touching that one.
Comments
oh for sure man
Meaningless without
Meaningless without enforcement. Has the mayor actually ordered public works employees to remove space savers, or will they just do a little finger wagging?
kind of
Tomorrow is trash day for many neighborhoods....
Two kinds of remove
There's remove like: move to the sidewalks. There's remove like: throw the trash in the back of the pickup truck and landfill it.
My vote is for the latter. The former is like writing someone a $0 parking ticket.
There was already a cone on my street
at 7pm tonight.
Verizon left two orange cones on my street earlier this week
Guess what I'm going to use them for ?
I think you've wandered into the wrong forum
Perhaps you're looking for alt.sex_toys?
Random usenet alt. reference
How many of you young'uns know about or ever used usenet?
ahh yes
young people are notorious for not understanding technology
Me! I have! I have!
Me! I have! I have!
....and I'm young! I've done all those hip, young person, technological media entertainment social things -
I've used usenet!
I've used UNIX - and VAX!
I've used Prodigy!
I've used one of those great game console systems... with a 3/4 switch on the back of the connector.
I've owned rabbit ears.
...I have a Startac on my shelf at home...
.......I'm old enough to have had the experience of taking all the tubes out of my TV and carrying them up to the corner drugstore to use the tester machine......
....sigh...
never mind.
I'm a certified young person, and...
I grew up on a party line. How many of you old-timers even know what that is? One long ring meant the call was for us, two short rings meant it was for our neighbors up the road. And sometimes you'd pick up the phone to make a call and there was already somebody talking, so you'd have to say "hey John, I need to make a call pretty soon, okay," to get them to wrap up and release the line.
Madonna
Is that you?
If Madonna calls...
I'm not here. I'm shoveling a space for my space saver.
Well, since everyone else
already has the witty responses taken care of, I'll just go with:
Being a horrible neighbor, and breaking the law twice in one shot?
Hillary will tell 'em
Just like she told Wall St.
No space savers, guys. Knock it off!
Ambiguous
Do they mean to say that a "no parking ban" has been declared? Or that no "parking ban" has been declared? One could read this either way.
The former makes no sense,
The former makes no sense, you can have either "no parking" or "parking ban" but combining the two in to "no parking ban" just does not work. There is not a parking ban.
They usually phrase it "a
They usually phrase it "a snow emergency has not been declared"..
Nothing like seeing spacesavers out
to make you think "I have shitty neighbors".
yep..
Seriously....if you are putting cones out to save spaces you need to just admit you failed at life.
Seriously people, get a grip on reality
I use a space saver when necessary. Almost everyone on my street uses a space saver when necessary. And in my neighborhood I see lots of space savers.
It works in my neighborhood . We like space savers. And its not a problem. And since the declarations of parking emergencies are inconsistent, and the policy of space saver "removal" is hardly ever enforced , it is fair to say that the city government agrees with my use of space savers, despite the cute tweet last night.
I am accused by some Uhubbers of being "a shitty neighbor" and . "failed at life" , just in this thread, and plenty more in previous threads. Just because you don't own a car , or don't have to park on a city street, or think bicycles are the only moral form of transportation, doesn't bring any validity to your childish insults.
I guarantee that all of you blathering hypocrites would be using space savers at some point if you owned a car and lived in my neighborhood.
So have a nice day everyone, except for the shitty person who called me a shitty neighbor, and the obvious loser who called me failed at life. I wish you both another miserable day in your obviously miserable life.
Awesome logic!
Yes! And since speed-limit enforcement is inconsistent, and I never get stopped by the police for always driving 10 mph over the posted highway limit, the police must fully endorse my speeding. Also, good job clarifying that "when needed" is the same as "we like."
This ^^^
Exactly.
Exactly
Out of all the insults that hold any weight, I will lose the least amount of sleep over what the vast userbase of commenters here think. The non-drivers and non-residents are somehow the most vocal on the matter, and they all seem to wait for any space saver related topic to complain about something that doesn't affect them.
I have a car
Declarations of snow emergencies are not inconsistent - they just don't match up to your selfish expectations. Enforcement wouldn't be necessary if everyone actually abided by the space saver use rule.
I have a car. I shovel out my car. You are only in favor of space savers because you manage to get a spot to save. In my neighborhood, people who are able to secure a spot in an area with extremely limited street parking are also very supportive of space savers.
Try being the person who has to work late one night and gets home unable to find parking anywhere. Because of shitty neighbors who think that if they shovel a little bit of snow, a PUBLIC parking spot belongs to them for whatever THEY determine to be a reasonable amount of time (usually the rest of the season).
The reason street parking works in a city is because there is a constant shuffling of cars at various times of day/night. Space savers impede that necessary cycle. When one person claims a spot, it is not available to others when the "saver" isn't even using the spot for 8-10 hours a day.
So, yes, "savers" are shitty, entitled neighbors. Bottom line: if you want to own a spot, pay for a spot. If you don't want to lose your public spot, don't leave it. If you leave it, it's fair game.
There also shouldn't be
Cars parked and left for months in JP by Brookline residents, students, and half the LMA/VA/MSPCA staff but the shitty of Boston don't care.
What about cars left for
What about cars left for months in JP by JP residents -- is that somehow better? Does it matter if a car is left in northern JP by a southern JP resident?
Asinine
My neighbors can keep their cars outside their house for however long they like. Everyone else, watch out.
Resident parking
Don't you have resident parking areas?
not everywhere
Seems to be more common in Dot, JP, and parts of Brighton. Plenty of room for out-of-staters to leave their car as long as they'd like, too.
So, the City is under a
winter storm warning, with up to eight inches predicted. DPW snowfighters are on nuclear alert waiting for the accumulation. Schools have been cancelled because how dare we teach kids that "hey, dealing with snow is part of life."
But Marty "campaigning for the circus in New Hampshire is more important than managing my city during a winter storm" Walsh decides not to declare a snow emergency because he doesn't want people using space savers.
Am I the only one who sees something totally bizarre about this?
Enjoy your one term while it lasts, Mayor Walsh.
School being cancelled is
School being cancelled is only because the MBTA sucks at dealing with life/snow.
So, once again, kids
get a pass while everyone else has to deal with reality. And they'll still get a full week of vacation this month. What a wonderful scam.
And, for the record, my morning commute went perfectly fine - even with a crossing malfunction at Chestnut Street in Wakefield.
So tell 'em to get off your lawn
My god, you are a nonstop crankopotamus. Never had a snow day when you were a kid, or was that back before they had schools?
By the way, a "scam" involves someone being defrauded. Who's being defrauded in this case?
(and why am I asking a serious question of someone who's obviously a nutjob?)
In the 1960s and 1970s
when I was in elementary school and junior high, we almost NEVER had snow days. And, on the very rare ocassions when we did, the city (Lynn) would always declare a snow emergency.
And who's being defrauded when kids get snow days and are STILL allowed to take a week's vacation in the same month. The taxpayers, that's who. Perhaps if the kids were told "we can give you a snow day even though conditions aren't that bad - i.e. the rest of the world has to still cope with these conditions and attend their work. But you'll get one less vacation day for every snow day you take" then they might not be as eager to accept the snow day if conditions don't warrant a TOTAL shutdown of businesses and government offices as well.
Lastly, please explain to me how pointing out an obivous contradiction in policy (cancel school but don't declare a snow emergency) qualifies me as a "nutjob?"
Uphill both ways?
Uphill both ways?
Uhhh, calm down. They'll
Uhhh, calm down. They'll make the day up in June. The forecast for the morning commute time meant that getting thousands of kids to school this morning on the T and busses might have proved difficult or dangerous. However, the amount of accumulation expected doesn't really warrant banning parking on major roadways. Snow days and snow emergencies don't always have to go hand in hand.
There it is.
Ah, Lynn. It's all coming in to focus now.
You know what has changed?
1. teachers don't live nearby
2. administrators don't live nearby
3. bus services are contracted out and are not nearby
4. there have been ugly situations resulting in stranded kids
5. parents work outside the home, and need to plan ahead
6. forecasting is far more accurate and provides lead time
and
7. look at the top ten biggest snowstorms and the ten snowiest winters. See a pattern?
When my youngest was in kindergarten, we walked to school one day and found that, while the principal had made it in before the flash freeze event, few teachers had. Meanwhile, lots of kids within walking distance meant that kids were arriving and there were no adults. I stayed on and "taught" my son's class until the teachers could make it through the traffic (one of them was coming from across town). That's a hint about what might happen if school wasn't shut when a big storm was predicted at rush hour.
So are we babies for
So are we babies for cancelling school or are we reckless for not declaring a snow emergency? Can't have it both ways. Space savers have nothing to do with today and they should be thrown away if seen.
If predicted conditions are bad
enough to cancel school, then declaring a snow emergency should be a no-brainer as well.
And I agree that space savers should be irrelevant to these decisions. Of course, if Mahty was smaht, he would just issue a total ban on space savers and be done with it.
So on one hand the storm is
So on one hand the storm is no big deal, but on the other you insist that there's no way we can get through it without the Mayor in town. Interesting.
Where did I say (or infer) that the storm is no big deal
And if Mahty was doing urgent business that would actually benefit the City, I could excuse his absence at this time.
But going on a junket to play "Rah Rah Rah" in support of an outdated electoral system (the 27 gazillon and separate primaries and 8 billion candidates - oh wait, that's now 7 billion, 999 million, 999 thousand candidates because another person was too wimpy to see the process all the way through and dropped out) is hardly urgent business.
You mocked the idea of
You mocked the idea of canceling school. This foolishly led us to believe you didn't think it was a big deal, but we see now that you think the opposite and just want to send these darn kids to your School of Hard Knocks. These kids today, huh?
I merely questioned
the practice of cancelling school but not also declaring a snow emergency. That's not mocking anything, it's raising a legitimate point.
And perhaps you should ask the question - Why are school districts so liberal with snow days as compared to years ago? Especially when other people who have to deal with the same storm conditions don't get similar breaks?
I think it's an entirely reasonable and justified point of discussion we as a society should be having.
Small Children <> Adults
Kids just don't handle the weather as well as adults. Their bodies are smaller and lose heat more easily. They also don't have the judgement to react appropriately as conditions deteriorate.
Imagine a six-year-old standing at the bus stop waiting for a bus that is late because it's stuck in the snow.
Canceling school reduces traffic on the roads for everyone else, leaving more room for plows. It also means they don't need to shovel sidewalks and plow parking lots at the schools until the storm is finished, meaning some of that equipment can be used elsewhere.
I take your point about younger children
However, riddle me this: In years past when most kids (even elementary school age) walked to school, and thus were more exposed to the elements in bad weather, snow days were relatively infrequent.
But now, with kids mostly riding buses or being driven to school by their parents, and thus are less exposed to the elements, snow days are far more frequent.
Good food for thought, if you ask me.
Back when our grandparents
Back when our grandparents had to walk to school, Boston meticulously cleared the sidewalks and dumped all the snow into the street.
Beacon Street, 1901
A few possible answers
to
1. Data may show that students don't show up on days like this anyway. Different times and such. I don't have a definitive answer or access to such data, but it's a thought.
2. Our infrastructure is garbage, and rapidly deteriorating even further, there's a very good chance they didn't expect getting there and back (more likely the latter) to be safe, or even possible for many.
Why a snow emergency wasn't declared is another question altogether, not touching that one.
No justice no peace!
You have to go to work so you're angry that kids got the day off? That's the saddest thing I've ever heard.
He'll miss your vote
By the way, who did you vote for in the last election?