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Curt Schilling makes bid for Jewish vote
By adamg on Sat, 10/22/2016 - 8:24am
Curt Schilling: Jews so stupid, amirite? No, really, why are they so dumb? he asks.
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Curt is not bad here...
The way the Left depicted Schilling here is really dull. Schilling makes a valid point: why does a religious group continue to promote a party that allowed Iran to hold nuclear programs despite being so hellbent on wiping out Israel? He's not being anti-Semitic. It's more or less of a frank realization but these days, anything from the hair on your chin or free speech, will offend any Leftist PC nun. By the way, I'm not a big fan of Schilling either after the Rhode Island scheme.
As Drumpf would say
WRONG!
Nope.
Barry Soetoro might agree with you, but, well, Schilling (and ahab) may have a valid point.
Oh Look - A failed election meme
Its like 2008 & 2012 all over again.
All thats missing is a few Rasmussen polls showing McCain or Romney in the lead and Karl Rove having a melt down over Ohio.
When I watched the video
I thought it kind of sounded like Curt might have been asking out of a place of sincerity. However, I'm of the opinion that if he was really curious to know more, he could have chosen a better time and venue to ask a Jewish person he knows personally with more left-leaning views the same thing without putting Tapper in a seeming "gotcha" type position.
What a nasty man!
Nasty man!
When will he educate us about
the blacks..hispanics,,,muslims... Who cares what this load thinks about anything?
Curt
He asks a question....there must be a valid answer instead of people just calling him an idiot.
"There are no stupid questions"
That's so very PC of you, Bugs.
Only stupid people asking
Only stupid people asking questions, as the proverb ends.
Your first mistake, and Schilling's
is assuming that all Jews, especially American Jews, are automatically supporters of Israel.
I don't know many American Jews who want to see Israel wiped out or anything like that, but I know plenty who have serious reservations about and criticisms of the Israeli government and its actions.
Schilling can't seem to wrap his mind around the concept of someone who is culturally and/or religiously Jewish but doesn't automatically agree with the politics of Israel. This isn't a tiny subtlety or fine distinction in some obscure aspect of Judaism, this is a reality for a large number of American Jews.
lemme christsplain that for you
You have to go back to Israel for the rapture to happen. Get on with it.
Not another one
Yeah, this is mischaracterized. Still, I wish he'd take a lesson from Trump and just NOT run. He thinks he's a celebrity and he can sway the people and how government functions just by virtue of being who he is. God forbid he study before throwing himself out there as our leader.
Pass, Shill.
As we know Curt's hero Drumpf loves his Jews
It has been widely reported that Drumpf said, "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day"
Well, the anons are out in force today...
"It has been widely reported that Drumpf said, "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day""
Are you implying the Trump trusts Jews more than he trusts, say, the Irish?
So, what would Barry Soetoro say about the Jews and Israel? About the Palestinian question?
Please have Mr. Soetoro explain to us how hemmed in the Iranian Revolutionary Guard will be when they have the disadvantage of a couple of nuclear weapons.
The highlight of his life
The highlight of his life was the bloody sock
After that news started to wear off, shilling started a failed business in Rhode Island
Now it's politics, what's next ? Launch his singing career.
Don't forget failed ESPN commentator
Too stupid for ESPN but wants to be a US Senator. What chutzpah.
Schilling didn't get fired as an ESPN commentator
because he was too stupid for the job. That's a pretty low bar: remember 21 years of Joe Morgan?
It's because he's a hateful asshole who routinely posted (and continues to post) disgustingly bigoted memes and tinfoil-hat conspiracy theories on social media.
Let me clarify RE Schilling and ESPN
We agree. His game commentary wasn't too stupid. He was too stupid to realize that as a public figure and ESPN employee he couldn't spew his bullshit w/o consequences. And if I recall correctly he had plenty of chances to just do his job and not be an ignorant opinionated douche on social media.
We couldn't help himself. Kinda like Trump's 3AM tweet-fests, now that you think about it.
I'll re-clarify....
Plenty of ESPN commentators are political on the air and in their articles.... they didn't like his right-wing views.
You say right-wing, I say
You say right-wing, I say racist and homophobic. Potato, racist, potato, racist, lets not elect him Senator.
Agreed on not electing him senator....but....
You forgot a bunch of the other buzzwords that the left loves...c'mon Matty....Gotta step up your game if you're going to make an intelligent argument around here...
Talk to MC Slim some time....he has a great understanding of all the buzzwords needed to make a coherent argument and never forgets to include every single one of them in his posts.
Please, Old Testament God, spare us this affliction!
This man is insufferable. Just as this wretched presidential election ends we're to be cursed by this demon?
Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through
life son.
Curt is a profoundly stupid man
Does he have any evidence that Democrats are "so clearly anti Israel, so clearly anti Jewish Israel"?
Nope, the only evidence comes from his meme infected brain.
Just one example. Foreign aid to Israel has been about the same under Clinton, Bush, and Obama. At approximately around 3 billion dollars a year, and about a third of the total foreign aid budget.
You do know that the
You do know that the president has no direct control over spending, right?
I'm happy about Curt
I mean, what will the Globe have to clutch pearls about once the short fingered vulgarian is dispatched in November? This will give the Child Interns.... I mean reporters work into the foreseeable future.
Hillary has short fingers?
Just sayin...maybe a short temper...
"she called Paul Fray, her husband's campaign manager at the time, a "fucking Jew bastard".
Now, I don't want to libel the lady, after all, she's under a lot of pressure and kind of frail, but that lefty bastion of excellence, The Guardian has a bit to say on it:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jul/18/uselections2000.usa
"Those present at the inquest into the defeat were Mr Clinton, his then-girlfriend Hillary, his campaign manager Paul Fray, and Mr Fray's wife, Mary Lee. Neill McDonald, a campaign worker, was just outside the room and claims to have heard everything. "
And for those in the Nile (heh, pun. Get it? denial?): Fray took a lie detector test and passed it.
For those that claim Fray isn't Jewish, but Baptist...well, absolutely right. He's 1/8 Jewish. That, apparently was enough for Hillary.
On the other hand, maybe she's just a spiteful, hateful bitch that hates everyone.
Recycling failed Rick Lazio attack from 1974?
That would actually be funny if you didn't end your post with a hateful misogynist slur. Now it's just deplorable.
Rick who??
I was talking about her husband's campaign manager.
So, tell me, do you still have your "Palin is a _unt" tee shirt? Clue, the missing word is a four letter word meaning "a woman".
The missing letter is "A". Aunt.
Anyway, there have been a lot of stories written about how Madame Secretary is the worst human being on the planet.
Don't search for it, just live in your own little world.
If she was Mr. Secretary, I'd call her a total asshole.
It'd be "an", not "a."
It'd be "an", not "a."
Um...
...ya. I know that.
So let me explain:
This somehow became an "issue" in her campaign for the U.S Senate against Rick Lazio. Remember, after Rudy dropped out for "health reasons"? Guess what? Hillary won. Because she was infinitely more qualified than Lazio. Because she was and is a great public servant. And because nobody with half a brain believes she is an anti-Semite.
But please, go ahead, keep trying to justify your original anti-woman slur with an even worse one. You're making my argument better than I ever could.
Not anti woman.
Anti Hillary. She's evil. But, she's in good company.
Adam, feel free to remove this hateful misogynist slur pic if you feel you need to. It's just deplorable. It's also way over the top. Hell, it's offensive to me and I'm deplorable.
Look, I don't think she's a true anti-Semite. I think she's just a hateful person that goes for the throat. Oh, and makes millions saying very important things to banks.
You know him personally?
You must if you assume that he is not one of your own tribe.
So Curt, why do Christians support Trump
Trump has openly and frequently disobeyed commandments 7,8,9, and 10, as well as saying he has no reason to ask for forgiveness from God.
As a practicing Christian, please tell me Why do Christians support Trump?
So, are you saying that your
So, are you saying that your own question is wrong to ask, as Curt's was wrong to ask? How many here believe that?
Read
I am saying what I said. Thank you.
Finally
We have identified the best location for his bloody sock
Please
Earth to Curt. Please STFU and never talk again. Thank you.
Hahaha
Concise and accurate comment!
OY VEY!!
OY VEY!!
Curt Schilling asks a valid question
Curt Schilling wouldn't be my first choice but he raises a valid question and I would support him over the Fake Indian any day. As promised, Israel will likely be blown off the map under John Kerry's disastrous Iran nuke deal, supported by Warren, so Jews voting Democrat are sealing their own fate. When Obama had the leader of Israel visit the White House, he was made to exit via the Dumpster door, overflowing with trash. Shameless. Kerry himself is the son of Jews named Kohn, but quietly changed to an Irish name for political purposes. Kind of like Caroline Kennedy Schollsberg dropped Schollsberg during her embarrassing Senate campaign. The faux, shocked reaction by the African-American reporter introducing the piece was more comical. CNN is the same network that called blacks rioting in France "African Americans" even though none had ever been to America. Just black Frenchmen rioting but CNN couldn't say that. What a joke CNN has become.
Why are you promoting a lie Fishy?
John Kerry did not change his name from Kohn to Kerry. His grandfather did. Look it up.
Hate to give Billy Bulger credit for anything
But he was right when he said "John Kerry is Irish. Every Six years..."
Ya got him there...
The Force is strong in this anon today...
"His grandfather did. Look it up."
By the way, it would be 'John Forbes Kerry'. So proud of his ancestry...
Wow, so much crap in a single post!
Congratulations, you win Wingnut Talking Point Bingo! "Fake Indian," Kerry family name change, Caroline Kennedy Schlossberg (spell it right, at least), disrespecting Netanyahu, and a CNN reporter mispeaking. Holy moly, it's a conspiracy! Thank goodness we have people like you to keep track of all the liberal, progressive, media-fueled indignities heaped upon you and your poor downtrodden friends. Thanks for pulling yourself away from Breitbart, Howie Carr, Sean Hannity, and Glenn Beck long enough to enlighten us!
Every candidate has at least one supporter. Fish represents
the hard floor of Schilling's support in MA, which should be about 2% when Warren is finally through with him. Christ, was a sorry mismatch. You'd think the GOP might have learned its lesson by now about running bigoted, obnoxious know-nothings with terrible hair.
It should be about as fair a contest as a spelling bee between a college professor and the fat, shit-faced, yammering lout at the end of the bar who dropped out in third grade and has a $75M bar tab.
CopleyScott, way to drag out
CopleyScott, way to drag out the usual suspects that liberals, it seems, cannot bear to have on the same planet as themselves.
I'll take O-FISH-L's comments any day--and comments of others like him--over the "king tide" of over-the-top liberal media that we're soaking in. Consider each of his non-liberal comments as a breath of fresh air.
It's amazing (and troubling) that, on blogs run by liberals and conservatives alike, things get so damn one-sided.
Does anyone else think Schil looks like about 40 miles
of bad road in that clip? The bags under the eyes, the post-stroke-looking droopy left eye, the weird stuttering Christian-splaining. I think he needs to lay off the sauce for a few months.
Well, I deduce the liberal talking point now.
He's a drinker. You must know him so well. Hillary could probably drink (and swear) him right under the table. Course, that was a few years ago.
he hasnt looked great
since he had his battle with cancer pretty much.
Lucky for you...
...there are plenty of alt-right conspiracy-fetish radio shows and websites you and your ilk can wallow in. Your hero Trump might even have his very own network soon, even more hate-based, ignorance-promoting, reality-denying than Fox "News" (which I guess isn't conservative enough anymore?).
Now, now: no need to use code words like "alt-right".
Whatever happened to good old-fashioned "white supremacist"?
Alt-right is being used to
Alt-right is being used to label any Republican to the right of Charlie Baker. Meaningless term.
Bull.
First, I doubt Baker has ever been seriously referred to as alt-right.
Second, it's not a meaningless term. It's how a specific group of people refer to themselves and their beliefs. I think they're abhorrent, but they're absolutely real. It's like saying pro-life is a meaningless term, or progessive, or any political category.
Seems you're just trying to deny reality or deflect criticism. How very Trumpist.
I think you read that wrong.
They weren't talking about calling Baker alt-right. They said anyone who falls to the right of him. But a more accurate portrayal would be anyone to the right of Neocons like Bill Kristol, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, et al. That's where you start getting into alt-right territory. Even Bill Kristol, of all people, made a push to defeat Trump this election in the "Never Trump" movement.
You're right...
...I did misread the Baker comment. Thanks! I think etiquette-wise I should leave it as is, but if anyone reads this chain please know I stand corrected.
Of course they did.
Neocons hate anyone they view as insufficiently hawkish. They hated it when Trump was bad mouthing George W. Bush and calling the Iraq War a disaster.
The neocons much prefer Hillary. She's a warmonger like they are.
A breath of fresh air
Yeah, you need a breath of fresh air badly. You don't know squat about me, so your projections about me as some right-wing tool are way off the mark.
I don't live for right-leaning stuff; after all, I _do_ come to UH all the time - that alone should tell you something about me.
Trump ain't my hero. This election, BOTH candidates are bottom-of-the-barrel picks.
Realize, however, that it's one thing to favor Hillary Clinton, but it's quite another thing to ignore entirely all the non-fictional evil behind the sick, slick Clintonian empire (Act 2). Good luck to us all!
HRC is not a bottom of the barrel candidate by any means
That simply cannot truthfully be said regarding a former US Senator and Secretary of State with her education.
She left both these high offices in good standing.
She certainly has her flaws but that is simply a ridiculous statement.
Problem is...
...as a Jedi, she went over to the dark side. Benghazi? Our guys hung out to dry. Libya? Forced error. No need to kill Kaddafhy (sp, always with him). He had a lid on it. She had him croaked. No plan 'B'. So, Libya, a rather stable country, is a shattered train wreck. Have fun explaining that one.
Senator? Carpetbagger that won a round and did nothing.
For the sake of the Republic, hold your nose and vote for Trump. The media will watch him like a hawk and he will be at loggerheads with some of Congress.
...as the Founding Fathers saw fit.
Hillary will spend four years hunting down her enemies and rewarding her friends.
She's a despicable woman. Hell, if she wins, I'll probably get audited...
Benghazi!
FINALLY! That took much longer than I would have expected, but I knew dmcboston wouldn't disappoint. Anxiously awaiting Vince Foster and Travelgate. Your move, O-FISH-L!
Never mind, Fish...
...I got this one...
Citations
Please.
And you wonder why they're the usual suspects?
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/curt-schilling-joins-breitb...
Curt's Nazi collection
Boston.com practicing some actual journalism.
https://www.boston.com/news/local-news/2015/08/25/heres-curt-schillings-...
What's the issue?
He collects WWII memorabilia and within that collection is some Nazi stuff. If a museum had a WWII collection wouldn't this also be the case?
im no shill for schill but
that article is insufferable and it seems like, per that very article, he does indeed have a large collection. "Of the nearly 200 photographs Schilling posted, more than three dozen include swastikas."
you need to have your head pretty far up your ass to think that because ~20% of photos of his collection have OMG SWASTIKAS that it means anything. this dude does enough actual dumb shit without manufacturing fake reasons to dump on him.
oh, and, relaying the contents of a facebook post he made is not journalism lmao.
As far as Nazi collections go....
Lemmy had a huge collection of Nazi memorabilia. Try calling him a bigot.
Lemmy had the good sense not to run for office
And also not to spew bigoted bullshit on social media.
He shouldn't even be mentioned in the same discussion with this other one.
Who is Lemmy?
and what team does he play for?
He plays electric bass for
He plays electric bass for the great Heavy Metal Parking Lot in the sky. (Apologies to Priest)
He would also tell Herr Schilling to kiss his arse.
Lemmy Kilmeister from Motörhead
But really only needs one name.
He's legend. And was never a buffoon like this other one.
Recently passed. RIP Lemmy
Christian Curt supports Serial Sinner Trump
Trump has been married 3 times, cheated on his first 2 wives, and coveted many more women. So why does Christian Curt support Trump?
(And please do tell us more about how you covet 10 year old girls Curt. Please proceed.)
he's not fooling anyone
What a horse's ass. To me at least, he knows exactly what he's doing campaigning as "Aww shucks, I'm not PC, I'm just a regular guy asking a question" candidate which is the only strategy he has to win a senate campaign in MA. The barely concealed smug expression on his face is telling--he was probably waiting the entire interview to spring this one. The only credit he deserves is taking Tapper by surprise and trying to get him to say something he can point to in a Senate campaign about the liberal media bias. Thankfully Tapper doesn't take the bait. I feel as though the shocking things said during this presidential campaign give a mouthbreathers like Schilling a chance to ride in its slipstream and say pretty much anything that makes him look like a populist as long as it's not outright racist or rapey. Unfortunately, I think we'll be seeing more of this in the next few years.
Unfortunately
Curt did get Tapper to state he doesn't vote in presidential elections. If true, shame on Tapper, if he was just deflecting, shame on him for lying.
Better answer would have been "its none of your f'ng business"
I believe what he said
Is that he doesn't specifically endorse Democrats or Republicans, which, "shame on him" for claiming to be unbiased as a news person, right? That doesn't mean he doesn't vote, though; that doesn't logically follow.
Many news organizations have explicit policies
that forbid anyone in the news side of the house from publicly endorsing any candidate or party, though of course voting is allowed and an entirely private matter, as it should be. The same rules generally don't apply to the business side of the house. (That latter accounts for a lot of the media people recently accused by the right of betraying their bias with political contributions: most of them aren't reporters.)
Jake Tapper said he "doesn't vote in presidential elections
Check out the full interview below. Adam posted an excerpt . At around the 5:50 mark, Tapper says "I dont vote in presidential elections" after Curt tries to get him to say who he is voting for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OzZkAuvTtC0
Indeed
You got me there. Has he elaborated elsewhere as to why that is?
Apparently the former
Apparently the former managing editor of the Washington Post (not sure on the detail, heard it on BUR Friday morning) also did not vote, in order to keep a clear heart in terms of journalistic integrity and not picking sides, even in the privacy of the mind.
I think it shows an amount of integrity to put aside your rights in order to further democracy by providing the best impartial information and assessment that you can.
I think that's odd
If you've ever read Freakonomics, they talk about how economists don't vote (or, at least in presidential elections), because they view it as a futile exercise, for the most part (where it usually doesn't come down to a single vote so they can feel good about sitting it out, or something close to that). But, as a journalist seems a bit different. Of course, if there were a means of publishing a journalist's voting record it could, in fact, prove some sort of bias. But, I believe that sort of record is considered a private right, as far as "privacy" and the constitution are concerned. As a journalist, you've likely researched a lot of, if not all of, the facts enough to the point where you can vote in good faith and still provide accurate journalism to your readers.
Then again, I'm not a journalist, so I don't try to talk myself out of such civic practices. It'd be interesting to hear them pressed on the issue further.
I've heard people who won't vote for either
State that it doesn't in MA b/c HRC is locked. Just me, but I want my vote to count against this reality TV cretin whose name should no longer be spoken. I want my vote to be tallied against this threat to America.
I wouldn't vote Republican for dog catcher but I've never seen the likes of this one. I wouldn't vote for Michael Moore for prez over many people either, just to give some perspective.
I'm voting for a mandate against this scumbag.
In 3 weeks time
The GOP is going to get a beating not seen since Barry Goldwater lost. When that happens there will be a pause for some soul searching. They are going to have to decide if they want to become a national party again or break into smaller parties.
People are going to turn on Trump because he will be blamed for a Clinton Presidency.
He will make the shunning of Sarah Palin (memba her?) look tame.
The schilling schtick is done after this election.
It's a failed election strategy.
New U-Hub funding scheme
Here's the plan. For any particular post, Adam can set the over/under on the amount of anon posts it will incur and then we can all place wagers on either side. So a post about the drought might be set at say 5 but an article about Southie might be set at 50.
Anyways, what specific variety of Christian is Schilling? I want to be able to ask the right people why he's such a dummy.
Answer
The stupid variety
Curts religion
According to this Curt was attending something called "Baseball Chapel"
http://townhall.com/columnists/marvinolasky/2005/03/17/curt_schilling,_p...
And according to this, at least some members of Baseball Chapel think Jews are doomed because they dont believe in J.C.
http://townhall.com/columnists/marvinolasky/2005/03/17/curt_schilling,_p...
Born-again
Thanks to his Shonda
Oh?
Does he have 2 belly buttons?
Um, New U-Hub funding scheme
Better...AG holds the popcorn concession...
This was excruciating to
This was excruciating to watch. Dude is painful to look at. I cannot fathom the amount of social ineptitude it takes, to interrogate the person interviewing you. So disrespectful and clueless. What an oafish, rude, boor.
Who are the media that we
Who are the media that we should respect them?
The media aren't special
Nor deserve any extraordinary respect. That's just it. Schilling isn't showing common courtesy or decency to a person he's having a conversation with.
This is baseline stuff. Felicity nailed it: the man is an obnoxious boor. I wouldn't vote for him for dog catcher.
Putting his best foot forward?
Good lord. He's trying to appeal to people and win arguments and votes? Can you imagine how unbearable this man must be in private?
Makes Trump look like a charming intelligent gentleman.
Warren must be like a kid on Christmas Eve anticipating this present.
Boy, Adam, you're way off base here
I think it's your predisposition to hate all things Schilling--and perhaps all things Republican--that led you to write this post.
How is it that you consider Schilling's question so damn insincere/stupid/ignorant -- or whatever?
I admit
to having a predisposition to hate all things Schilling, except for 2004 of course.
You won't get an answer.
You won't get an answer.
This is one of those instances where liberals will feign exasperation. They have no words other than stuff like "Wow. Just wow."
I thought my headline summed it up
But the question shows he is an idiot, of the authoritarian sort. He assumes his opinion on Israel is the only right one. He ignores that even in Israel not all Jews support his/Netanyahu's views. He doesn't really care what the answer is, he just thinks he's bring clever in calling American Jews idiots. He's also just wrong: There are Republican Jews.
Not that you're wrong, Adam
but if it was a Jewish Republican who was considering a Senate run Mass that asked that question live on CNN, would it have made the front page of UHub with quite the same snark?
Don't you think a Jewish person has more authority
to speak from a Jewish perspective than Curt Schilling? Last time I checked he wasn't of Jewish ethnicity. That sort of context matters.
But go ahead and find a Jewish republican who's seeking a MA senate spot and we'll see.
I'd say
that if it's OK for me to say something, it's OK for everyone to say it. And if it's not OK for anyone else to say it, it's not OK for me to say it either.
So either a Jew can't ask that question either or Schilling's allowed to ask it too.
And in both cases pigeonholing a reporter on his ethnicity isn't the best thing to be doing.
I'm not quite following your logic.
I just think it's oblivious and totally like Schilling to be asking, paraphrasing, "Shouldn't all Jews believe in a party that strongly supports Israel" when there's a lot more to being Jewish (and a Jewish person in America, or anywhere else in the world for that matter) than a single foreign policy. Curt's kind of alluding to he knows what's best, or thinks he knows what should be best, for Jewish people to do when it comes to politics and voting. I don't think that's really reaching too far to see it that way.
Yeah!
Fuck context! Who needs it?
Context
That's the one where you get to call people names for saying the exact same thing you might say, because they're the bad guys and you're the good guys, amiright?
No
It's the one where I get to call people names for saying the exact thing I might say because we're not the same person.
Where did Schilling say here
Where did Schilling say here that Jews are stupid?
Color me shocked that the guy
Color me shocked that the guy with an extensive Nazi memorabilia collection has some opinions on how Jews should think.
Vast left-wing conspiracy
Cherry-pick with worst offenders and use them as the cudgel to beat down honest questions and debate.
NBC sat on the Trump tapes for decades and they only come out after the conventions. Plenty of mutterings about Trump's excesses with women too about a year ago, but only in full force after the conventions.
Why? So that now when some knuckle-dragging rube complains about border and immigration enforcement or the like, you can tar him as a sexist, racist, comboverist argle-bargle blah blah blah.
Same thing here. Now if you question the Dem's middle east policies, you're an anti-Semite, racist, drunk, whatever.
Unbiased journalism my foot. And probably the best thing that ever happened for the 'alt right' media, because now they can actually be right when the say the MSM is lying through their teeth.
As long as the GOP puts up candidates like Donald Trump
and Curt Schilling, who live in an alternate reality stuffed with sub-moronic conspiracy theories and utterly free of facts, science and history, you can take your observations about "honest debate" and GFY.
And why does that happen?
Is it because half the country are the devil's own spawn, or is it because the media has fallen flat on its face by picking sides and losing the trust of the people who have no believable reference point against which to reject demagogues and idiots? GFY with a rusty length of pipe indeed.
So right
Roger Ailes and Rupert Murdoch did terrible damage to this country. Someone like Trump rising to the leadership of the Republican Party was the inevitable consequence of all that Faux News. It's good you see that now.
The former.
As MC points out, you would maybe have an argument to make if the GOP hadn't literally trotted out a fascist who hates minorities and women as a presidential candidate. Advocating against him isn't a symptom of insidious liberal bias, it's the bare minimum response any literate person who took 10th grade civics should have as an American. The fact that tens of millions of people support him suggests that public education policy has badly failed, and maybe it's just time to write off a whole lot of people as lost causes. Clutching at your pearls and insisting on the absolute necessity of journalistic integrity, in the face of the single most dangerous man to ever seriously vie for the presidency, suggests that you are one of them.
Trump's about to take a historic beating, but if you survey your friends for what they want for dinner, and 7 of them say "Thai food" and 3 of them say "let's kill and eat a drifter," democracy has technically prevailed, but you still have a big problem.
Reading skills were the first to go
and comprehension of time was (will be?) a close second.
I didn't say Trump can't be called out on his bullshit because 'impartiality', I said the liberal media's blatant bias created the conditions under which a
Drudge or Breitbart and a Trump would have an audience.
You libs like to accuse the right of deliberately undermining government and claiming that it doesn't work. Well, right back atcha: the liberal media has deliberately undermined journalistic integrity, a key pillar of civil society, creating the conditions for alternate news and views, and now claims that civil society is broken. Bull. Shit.
If you really care to get a left wing perspective
Try reading Manufacturing Consent and then compare the Propaganda Model to the current state affairs with "liberal media" and you'll find it's not nearly as leftist as you think it is.
Your worst nightmare...
"As MC points out, you would maybe have an argument to make if the GOP hadn't literally trotted out a fascist who hates minorities and women as a presidential candidate."
**Trotted out? Are you kidding me? Did you not watch any of it? Trump beat everything the GOP could throw at him. They tried like hell. Even now, there are goppers that won't back their Presidential candidate.
"Advocating against him isn't a symptom of insidious liberal bias, it's the bare minimum response any literate person who took 10th grade civics should have as an American. "
**Why? I'm calling simple BS on that one.
"The fact that tens of millions of people support him suggests that public education policy has badly failed, and maybe it's just time to write off a whole lot of people as lost causes. "
**I see. If they don't agree with you they are 'neck breathing mouth beards', neanderthals, racists, misgoyinewhateverthehellthatwordis, and we must revamp the educational system because it isn't fucked up enough already.
"Clutching at your pearls and insisting on the absolute necessity of journalistic integrity, in the face of the single most dangerous man to ever seriously vie for the presidency, suggests that you are one of them."
**Sorry. Trump is a creation of the progressives in this country. Note I didn't say 'liberals'. Classic liberals would be shocked at what this nation has become. The political class is a kleptocracy, running up insane debt and not giving a damn. Politicians leave office and become lobbyists for everybody in the corporate world that wants to bend (or write) a law their way. One of the candidates for President has wikileaks coming out every week that would have destroyed any candidate that wasn't as manipulative as her.
"Trump's about to take a historic beating, but if you survey your friends for what they want for dinner, and 7 of them say "Thai food" and 3 of them say "let's kill and eat a drifter," democracy has technically prevailed, but you still have a big problem."
**Nope. Look, a lot of this country is not doing as well as you. Bad for them. Their jobs went away, probably never to return, they are scared of the future because they see nothing for them. They want jobs. They want a decent life for their families. All they see from you is a palpable disdain. They aren't stupid. They know how you feel about them. They voice complaints and get called racists, neck beards (oh, I've seen that one here once or twice), mouth breathers, all kinds of insults.
They believe in fixed results because they've seen it. Andrea Mitchell (MSNBC!!) alluded to the Kennedy-Nixon 1960 Chicago fix. Last week. Wow. So, the FBI is investigating (for what it's worth, we've seen the email brooming) a bunch of voter 'irregularity' cases, but hold out no hope for justice.
All the people west of 495 see is corruption and greed.
Trump got a standing ovation in a church in Detroit. The election is not over yet...
Not really
Alt-righters want to believe what they do because they are largely nationalist if not also racist (you can clutch your pearls if you'd like, but I'd venture a guess there's a decent correlation there). So when something doesn't fit to their worldview, it's not surprising they say to hell with Occam's Razor and just lazily call the "MSM" biased, untrustworthy, and flat out liars. It's a lot easier to do that than it is face facts and reality that doesn't line up with the way you think the world should work, according to you (generally, not you specifically), and the way it actually does. And it's why when I double down on people who claim corruption I always get nebulous responses if not totally vapid ones. Quite honestly I don't think your retort offers much out of line from that, either.
So, here we are; QED. It's why we have the Becks, the Breitbarts, the Jones', and so on. They offered people narratives that sounded appealing in theory but had little basis in fact, but boy do people want to believe.
Look in the mirror
Someone doesn't buy into my world view, therefore they're probably a racist homophobic sexist superstitious nut. If that's not the wall of a lambda/10 echo chamber, I don't know what is.
Facts are facts. Sacred cows aren't.
Open borders or closed borders aren't a physical law or a fact; they're a choice. So is trade policy. So are tax rates and labor laws. So is just about everything else the self-described "progressive" set likes to put its favored versions of on a pedestal with the Bill of Rights, the Declaration of Independence, and the Ten Commandments.
Makes u think
Makes u think
Who the HELL is advocating about open borders?
Nobody running for president, no mainstream politician, nobody. Seriously, as soon as you drag out that tired boogie man, your argument loses any credibility.
(and please don't bother trotting out the latest Trump lie, twisting Hillary's quote about open energy markets. It's not the same thing)
Careful now
don't trip over yourself.
At least one politician running is advocating (in public at least) for closed borders and is getting a ton of crap about being a racist for it. And if I said we should build the wall and deport the illegals, you'd tar me as a Trump-loving racist too.
The sitting President tried (and failed) to use executive authority to water down immigration enforcement for a certain segment of illegal aliens. And was hailed as a progressive hero for the effort.
For the record, I'm for free trade and easy immigration with reasonably wealthy places and absolutely against free trade and easy immigration with not-so-wealthy places.
Do tell
What wealthy country did you come from?
Was it wealthy at the time?
If not, why the new rules for newer people?
Oh, wait ... you were different because you are special!
Right.
She wants open borders for trade. So, she was for it before she was against it. She's flipped on that issue more than a freshly caught cod.
And what about?
Climate change and evolution? Where do they fall on the truthiness spectrum?
Very very far from truthy
Both are based on massive amounts of science.
Evolution is
"There is no God" isn't.
Climate change may be. "I get to set your thermostat for you and tell you what kind of stuff you can and can't buy because Impending Catastrophe!1111!!one" isn't.
Not getting into your non-sequiturs
But no where in my post do I allude to that. That's just how you read it.
One reason Trump and Schilling happen is that the GOP
has spent the last 60 years promoting and exploiting the exact same kind of racism, misogyny, homophobia, religious bigotry, xenophobia, and science denial. They're just embarrassed now because the new crop of candidates has traded the old dog-whistle for a bullhorn. Trump and Schilling are direct descendants of everything the GOP has stood for since the early Sixties.
More recently, the Republicans have benefited from the construction of a right-wing propaganda bubble that makes stupid people stupider.
Of course
no one could possibly believe in free market economics or limited government. That's just the fig leaf excuse they give in polite company so that they can indulge their white-hood fantasies at the ballot box.
That's a lovely false choice.
Of course one can support the Republicans' "Strangle government in its crib" and "Don't mind the free hand of the market hovering around your ass, it knows what it's doing" policies and not be a bigot.
It's just that ordinary working- and middle-class people used to grasp that the GOP only truly works on behalf of point-oh-one-percenters and big business, so of course the only way to get them voting against their own economic interests was to whip up their fear and bigotry. Been working pretty well for Republicans since the Civil and Voting Rights Acts passed.
But Trump gave away the game, and will go down in flames. He'll hang onto his hardcore 37% all the way to Trump TV, taking boot-licking toadies like Hannity, skinheads in blue blazers like Steve Breitbart Bannon, and scary nutjobs like Alex Jones with him. And the right-wing propaganda bubble will sink to a new low of fact-free conspiracy-mongering and loathsome incitement of hatred and ignorance.
Don't go too far out of your comfort zone now
By that same logic, the Democrats have been the party of "strangle American business in its crib" and "Don't mind the very visible hand of state bureaucracy tightening around your nads...we're experts" ever since they stopped being the party of segregationists and klansmen.
See, I can fling shit too.
Bill Clinton led the largest
Bill Clinton led the largest economic expansion in the last 50 years with big government policies. Sorry if that's inconvenient to your baseless ranting. And let's not forget that his tax policies also availed us of the largest budget surplus in decades and included the only multi year national debt reduction since the advent of the national debt.
In case you're wondering Bill Clinton is and was a Democrat.
largest economic expansion in
He presided over a bubble that popped after he left.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dot-com_bubble
There's some selective memory
Bill Clinton was forced into adopting welfare reform and a balanced budget by a Republican Congress. He'd've run away with his big government otherwise.
Where are the awesome gains
Where are the awesome gains from today's Republican Congress? Where's the budget surplus, where's the Medicare and Social Security reform?
If I have selective memory you've got selective cognition.
You tell me
Obama hasn't sat down with Congress since 2009 when he told them he was going to dictate terms so tough shit. Doesn't make for good leadership. Clinton and Gingrich got along a whole hell of a lot better than Obama and Boehner did or Obama and Ryan do.
Plenty of blame to go around. Hillary might be better...but she's no Bill. Trump...hahahahhaa.
Kansas tried the favored GOP policies
Explain why they are completely bankrupt and losing jobs and educated citizens.
Um, no
His tax increase in 1993 increased taxes on a lot of folks. It was the 1997 tax decreases that actually led to better economic times.
"The Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997 (Pub.L. 105–34, H.R. 2014, 111 Stat. 787, enacted August 5, 1997) reduced several federal taxes in the United States.
Starting in 1998, a $400 tax credit for each child under age 17 was introduced, which was increased to $500 in 1999. This credit was phased out for high income families
The top marginal long term capital gains rate fell from 28% to 20%, subject to certain phase-in rules. The 15% bracket was lowered to 10%..
Roth IRAs were established, permanently exempting these retirement accounts from capital gains taxes.
The act permanently exempted from taxation the capital gains on the sale of a personal residence of up to $500,000 for married couples filing jointly and $250,000 for singles. This exemption applies to residences the taxpayer(s) lived in for at least two years over the last five. Taxpayers can only claim the exemption once every two years.[1]"
Yes, he was a Democrat. He signed it. Good, but I wouldn't begin going all Monica on him for it. It was a bill backed by all Republicans and about 80% of the democrats.
Nice Trump-worthy side-stepping of my point.
Right-wing media makes people stupider on economic issues, climate science, women's issues, gay rights, voting rights, and Taliban-like assertions that Fundamentalist Christian values should be enshrined in law.
If our great experiment in democracy crumbles, you can lay a big chunk of the blame on a right-wing media empire that profits from making people feel good about ignoring basic facts, history and science. They have been huge Trump enablers, Fox News alone giving him a couple of billion dollars worth of free media exposure, to say nothing of the hate and ignorance promulgated by Breitbart, Drudge, AM hate radio, et cetera, et cetera.
Maybe a nation with half its citizenry living in a bubble of frothing ignorance and willful stupidity deserves its decline into fascism. I'm not feeling optimistic about our prospects given Trump's inevitable post-loss move into creating a media empire fronted by unspeakable assholes like Steve Bannon, Sean Hannity and Alex Jones.
Part of my horror about Trump is that he clearly is not driven by ideology, any deeply-held beliefs. He just has this infantile id that a lifetime of privilege has led him to believe deserves to be endlessly satisfied. He doesn't give a shit about his supporters, or America, or any global good. He just craves adulation, will do anything to curry the love of the screaming masses to feed his juvenile, unquenchable ego. He's a monster, a giant sucking Little Shop of Horrors Audrey. The planet can go up in a nuclear fireball, as long as enough idiots at the end of things are responding to his relentless bellowing of "Feed me!".
Hate to Rain on Everyone's Parade....
But it seems highly unlikely that the GOP in MA would let Schilling become the nominee if they want any chance whatsoever of reclaiming the senate seat.
Party pooper
I was so looking forward to more mansplaining. Do you think he will at least have a YouTube channel!?
That's what we said about Trump
The state GOP will hold primaries, unless they want their base to turn on them. The same bunch of people who gave Trump a win in the MA primaries are still out there, merrily polishing their gun barrels and reading Breitbart stories about how Hillary is already organizing the FEMA death camps. What makes you think they won't vote for the dumber, more anti-Semitic sports hero over an establishment Republican?
Well, you could vote in the Republican primary
for a strong candidate if you're unaffiliated or you could hope to God that only the nuts will so Warren doesn't have a strong challenger.
Reasoning
1) The party will recruit a more palatable candidate in the Scott Brown/Charlie Baker mode
2) Those voters who supported Trump have (hopefully) learned a valuable lesson by now
3) The whole Rhode Island mess is close enough and recent enough to detract significantly from the now-distant sports hero thing.
Not to quibble but...
Scott Brown supports Trump. Charlie Baker emphatically does not. Not sure they are of similar mold.
In regards to failed businesses
That did not stop Trump from getting nominated. Or Bush Jr. for that matter. So not holding a lot of faith that any future candidates would be affected by similar foibles.
Go Away Curt...
Thanks for the World Series. At this juncture, I am so sick of this guy that I would almost trade the World Series win for him to just disappear from the radar. He totally screwed Rhode Island with 38 Studios and he just generally sucks. To be fair, his question did appear somewhat sincere but he's a sketchball. Schilling for Pres? God help us all.
Native American Life Expectancy
At 67, Elizabeth Warren should retire and enjoy her golden years, especially since Native American life expectancy is shorter than other Americans. As for Schilling's comments, the question has been asked for years, why do Jews continue to vote Democrat? He said nothing that hasn't been said before, including by many Jews themselves. As for Trump TV, I'm amazed it hasn't happened already, ratings would be off the charts. Trump is filling sports stadiums and Hillary can't even fill an elementary school auditorium. With the likes of Megyn Kelly, Britt Hume, Chris Wallace etc. attacking Trump, Fox has become more of the same. Great to see Sean Hannity now consistently leading the ratings, the only person at Fox who has been strong Trump.
Cool string of non-sequiturs
Forget to take your medicine?
True.
SJWs have taken over Fox. Trump + Hannity + Breitbart should start a new station and be on the look out for SJW entryists like Megyn.
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