I wish that idiot Henry had just done this in the first place and spared us the insipid and insulting series on race the idiots at the Globe can't stop patting themselves on the back over.
A lot of those folks on the Spotlight Team that did that series are people of color. Labeling them all as idiots is a pretty regrettable look, at best.
How many of those people of color actually grew up here and experienced the racism this city hides so well occasionally? And tell me how many people of color are in those self congratulating ads the Globe does touting the Spotlight team featuring the all white cast of the movie that they can't shut the fuck up about?
And finally, point out the people of color in the management and editorial leadership of the lily white Globe?
It doesn't. If they experience racism, no matter the time frame, it's relevant.
Also dumb is the notion that the racism here is well hidden. Some of it is, sure, but plenty of it is in plain sight, and the coverage in journalism (and popular media) reflects that rather well.
And I strongly reject the notion that because the Globe doesn't have non-white people in all corners of the organization where you deem it appropriate means it's cool to automatically belittle the entire organization. That's a slippery slope if I've ever seen one.
Let’s all talk about the collective experiences of people of color that didn’t live through the busing and work for a paper that again, can’t stop patting themselves on the back for being woke while the management is all white and the owner still allows his players to appear on racist sports radio, because you know, go Sox?
And speaking of local media and the way they address the systemic racism in this town, tell me then, how do Howie Carr and the scumbags at WEEI still have jobs?
Of getting paid? Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good, exactly? Or better yet, why don't you ask them rather than project your version of what's the most just thing to do?
Not sure about WEEI or Howie Carr, but I'm right there with you on them.
When I raised the exact same subject with most of the Globe Spotlight team about this on Twitter, they were remarkably silent. Todd Wallack, for one, still can't answer me about his experiences with racism.
What exactly did you want him to say? It sounds like you had an expected response from him. If you're asking them with some ill intention behind it, I don't think I'd blame them for not engaging.
As is said to Wallack in regard to his strange inability to answer a couple of questions, who would have thought it was this tough to get an answer out of a fucking reporter?
Alphabetical grid cross streets of Back Bay/Fenway area...
Arlington Street
Berkeley Street
Clarendon Street
Dartmouth Street
Exeter Street
Fairfield Street
Gloucester Street
Hereford Street
Ipswich Street
Jersey Street
Kilmarnock Street
Lansdowne Street
Massachusetts Avenue
Norway Street
Overland Street
Park Drive
Queensberry Street
Ruggles Street
Symphony Road
Tetlow Street
U... ?
V... ?
Westland Avenue
X... ?
Yawkey Way
Z... ?
They are all are or at one point British Baronies.
Massachusetts Ave and The Fenway are excepted owing to the original intent of their design. I don’t count Park Drive because originally the entire road around The Fens was called The Fenway.
As far as the naming scheme goes, the Back Bay and the Fenway were planned together. Later development skewed what we think of Back Bay development towards Bay State Road instead.
Other places with common names; Dorchester Heights in SB has Gates Street, Thomas Park, Mercer Street, and Knowlton Street. All high ranking War Of Independence officers who served under Washington. Dorchester Heights / Telegraph Hill was also known as Mount Washington at the time the streets were laid out.
Olmsted's original plan for the street layout and naming convention. It was a continuation from the Back Bay as the "Back Bay Fens" aka the Fenway was conceived as an extension of the Back Bay.
I think it's just displayed as the color it is, if you catch me.
If your need is great, you can always do a "Save image as..." and then adjust it offline using the image/photo editing app of your choice (I typically use GraphicConverter for stuff like that, fwiw.)
Next up is Mass Ave, which was originally called West Chester Park. The naming of the Back Bay streets came before the annexation of the Brookline Marshes (everything west of the Muddy), which were, yes, a bunch of tidal marshes that we now call The Fens. Somehow urban planning in the 19th century failed to allow for neurosis of the 21st. Good thing this is all completely meaningless.
The store was named after the place. Ultimately the name comes from Richard Lechmere, who owned all the land in that area back in colonial times. That said, he was apparently a lousy guy in most respects so maybe it’s for the best.
OTOH, if you want to rename it after someone with a connection to the neighborhood who is better thought of, why not Edwin Land?
And did the many, many people like my parents that made me sit outside of that loading dock waiting for them to come out with the bargains. Lechmere's the store was not the hotbed of racism that Fenway Park is.
I don't tolerate racism at all, but this generation is just getting out of hand. IT'S A STREET NAME!! EVERY OTHER WHITE PERSON was racist in Boston pre 1980. It's not something to be proud of, but it's part of history & it happened. GET OVER IT. Next thing you know Millenial's are going to be looking to change the name of Disney World. What the hell doesn't offend people anymore?!?!
Why do you care if they want to change the street name? They are changing it back to what it used to be. It shouldn't have been changed in the first place.
My only point was that a sweeping generalization of EVERY WHITE PERSON in Boston pre-1980 being racist is as abominable as insulting any other group by saying they ALL do such-and-such. If nothing else, it at least tends to weaken an argument. As soon as I see something like that, I pretty much feel I can discount anything else being said.
There was one black kid who still lived in the projects during the "troubles". He was accepted pretty much by the locals because of his grandparents who lived there since back in the day and never bothered anyone and the old townies liked them. The poor kid did have to dress in a Barracuta coat and Scally cap to fit in though. I don't think he was racist.
Then there was Mayra. She was a Cuban girl that one of the local bank robbers fell in love with and had a kid with. He had to nail the door of her apartment once to keep her from running out to get more dust, but then she ended up jumping from a second story window to score anyways.I don't think she was a racist.
Pretty much everyone else was racist, though.The most hated things back then were the niggers and the liberals, because it was the liberals that brought the niggers, as the saying went.
Head to the library for some useful texts on how to use apostrophes and appropriate use of ampersands.
Next up - take a look at who is running the Red Sox these days. Unlike Hope Hicks, they aren't millennials. This has been a concern since the origins of the curse in the business practices of the Yawkey family came to light while most millennials were just getting their first gloves.
racist history and continuing to name a street in honor of a notorious racist. You probably did some awfully dumb things in your youth: I expect you've learned that just because you once did, you don't need to keep doing them.
(And I know it's popular to bash millennials as delicate snowflakes, but I am grateful that some of them are stepping up and speaking out against the idiocies of their elders. Lord knows we olds don't seem to be much inclined to clean up many of the messes we've made.)
Crude generational stereotypes aside, consider what the late 50s / early 60s Sox might have accomplished had they not been the last team in the majors to integrate. That hateful Neanderthal of an owner had a shot at signing Jackie Robinson, FFS. Even if you're not a Sox fan, you should be cheering this move. This long-time Fenway half-season ticket holder is.
Yawkey biographer Bill Nowlin in 2018: “In his [Yawkey’s] heart, was he really racist or wasn’t he? There is no indication that he was.”
“The thing that bothers me about it, though, is that try as hard as I could to find true instances of personal racism on his part, I could never find that, and almost as though he is being blamed for – Yawkey is being blamed for something that maybe he wasn’t guilty of.”
Bill Nowlin – Author of “Tom Yawkey – Patriarch of the Boston Red Sox” (2018)
From the Boston Globe on July 29, 1979
Quote from George Scott, an African-American Red Sox player in the 1960’s and 1970’s:
“I’d been born and raised in the South and I’d had tough times before. But I also realized that to get anything you had to run into the right kind of person who would accept you regardless of the color of your skin.”
[The late Tom Yawkey, the former Red Sox owner, was the right kind of person, said Scott.]
“He [Tom Yawkey] was one of the greatest men I’d ever met in my life.”
“If he was prejudiced in any way towards the black ballplayer, I did not detect it. I think if you ask Reggie [Smith] and some of the other guys, they’d tell you the same thing. He treated me well from the day I came to the Red Sox until the day I left. How a man treats you is all that matters, anyway.”
- George Scott
Quoting: "The Red Sox were the final team to integrate, promoting infielder Pumpsie Green to the majors in 1959. That was a dozen years after Jackie Robinson had joined the Brooklyn Dodgers, and nine after Sam Jethroe had joined the Boston Braves and won the National League’s Rookie of the Year Award.
By 1959, even the local N.H.L. team, the Bruins, had employed a black player, Willie O’Ree. But not the Red Sox. As Robinson, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Elston Howard helped their teams win championships in the 1950s, the Red Sox — with Ted Williams in his later prime — never finished first during that decade.
The Red Sox tried out Robinson at Fenway Park in 1945 and rejected him. A Boston scout, George Digby, arranged to buy Mays from the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro Leagues for $4,500. Yawkey and the general manager, Joe Cronin, refused.
'We could have had Mays in center and Williams in left' Digby told The Boston Globe in 2005. 'Cronin sent another scout down to look at him, but Yawkey and Cronin already had made up their minds they weren’t going to take any black players.'"
if you can put your immense intellect and know-it-allness under cover for just a bit and read and ponder these two tidbits from the article:
"The cardinal joins Ray Hammond, pastor of Bethel AME Church in Boston, and a trustee of the Yawkey Foundation II, which was founded by Yawkey's widow, Jean. At the hearing, Hammond said the narrative that Yawkey was a racist was false."
and
"I personally saw a change in Mr. Yawkey, from the 1966 season, '67 season, '68 season, when our team now became integrated, with wonderful players like Elston Howard, who he traded for, Jose Tartabull, Reggie Smith, Joe Foy, George Scott, all teammates of mine," he said."
When I was in college I tended bar in a hotel bar near Kenmore Square. A group of guys associated with the Bristol Red Sox would come up for weekends to go to games, stay in the hotel, and drink in my bar. Sometimes they wouldn’t bother to go to the games, but would just watch them on the large-screen tv in the bar. And drink.
One night the manager of the Bristol Red Sox stayed by himself after the others had gone to bed, and he got pretty sloppy and morose. The thing I remember best is him saying that “Mr. Yawkey never wanted no niggers in his team.” Of course like your anecdotes that was just one guy’s perception, but at least he wasn’t saying it for publication.
They have '47 on them. What is the significance of that year in Red Sox history? 1946 was a pennant, 1948 was a near-miss, but I don't know what they are commemorating for 1947.
It's reasonable to conclude that Yawkey was a racist in the 40's and 50's, when the Sox rejected Robinson and Mays and became the last MLB team to integrate.
But what about afterwards? People are capable of change. Red Barber, the Hall of Fame broadcaster for the Dodgers, grew up in the segregated South and very nearly resigned when he was told that the Dodgers would bring Jackie Robinson to the majors. His wife talked him out of it, and he realized he was wrong, and eventually became one of Robinson's biggest backers.
I can't say for sure that Yawkey repented, though testimony from some of the Blacks who played for the Sox in the 60's and 70's indicate that he might have. And if he did, would that be worthy of honor?
Yawkey's charitable works are well-known and plentiful. It's reasonable to argue that even if all of the racism charges are true, he did way more good for the city than bad. I'd guess more lives have been saved, by his contributions to medical facilities, than the relative handful of players he wronged by not drafting them.
Jimmy Fund (and therefore Dana Farber) involvement by Tom Yawkey dates to the early 1950s, and accounted for millions of dollars toward cancer research and facilities. Agganis Foundation scholarships likewise began in the 50s. There were other less noteworthy endeavors that he undertook both prior and subsequently.
Even if much work was done after his passing, it is considerable and worthy of remembrance. How about at least renaming the street "JEAN Yawkey Way"?
Comments
Well, then!
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 4:55pm
I wish that idiot Henry had just done this in the first place and spared us the insipid and insulting series on race the idiots at the Globe can't stop patting themselves on the back over.
...
By boo_urns
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:33am
A lot of those folks on the Spotlight Team that did that series are people of color. Labeling them all as idiots is a pretty regrettable look, at best.
Not at all...
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 10:52am
How many of those people of color actually grew up here and experienced the racism this city hides so well occasionally? And tell me how many people of color are in those self congratulating ads the Globe does touting the Spotlight team featuring the all white cast of the movie that they can't shut the fuck up about?
And finally, point out the people of color in the management and editorial leadership of the lily white Globe?
I'll wait.
What difference does it make if they grew up here?
By boo_urns
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 10:59am
It doesn't. If they experience racism, no matter the time frame, it's relevant.
Also dumb is the notion that the racism here is well hidden. Some of it is, sure, but plenty of it is in plain sight, and the coverage in journalism (and popular media) reflects that rather well.
And I strongly reject the notion that because the Globe doesn't have non-white people in all corners of the organization where you deem it appropriate means it's cool to automatically belittle the entire organization. That's a slippery slope if I've ever seen one.
Right. Sure.
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 6:30pm
Let’s all talk about the collective experiences of people of color that didn’t live through the busing and work for a paper that again, can’t stop patting themselves on the back for being woke while the management is all white and the owner still allows his players to appear on racist sports radio, because you know, go Sox?
And speaking of local media and the way they address the systemic racism in this town, tell me then, how do Howie Carr and the scumbags at WEEI still have jobs?
So you're blaming the people who work for the Globe
By boo_urns
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 4:10pm
Of getting paid? Why let the perfect be the enemy of the good, exactly? Or better yet, why don't you ask them rather than project your version of what's the most just thing to do?
Not sure about WEEI or Howie Carr, but I'm right there with you on them.
Funny you should say that...
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 6:29pm
When I raised the exact same subject with most of the Globe Spotlight team about this on Twitter, they were remarkably silent. Todd Wallack, for one, still can't answer me about his experiences with racism.
OTOH
By boo_urns
Fri, 03/02/2018 - 11:13am
What exactly did you want him to say? It sounds like you had an expected response from him. If you're asking them with some ill intention behind it, I don't think I'd blame them for not engaging.
Well...
By Brian Riccio
Fri, 03/02/2018 - 11:47am
As is said to Wallack in regard to his strange inability to answer a couple of questions, who would have thought it was this tough to get an answer out of a fucking reporter?
Dude, what are you talking
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 5:38pm
Dude, what are you talking about?
Also, have you ever experienced racism?
Neutral = good
By Gary C
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:00pm
I wasn't in favor of giving it "new" name, but it's old non-controversial name is just fine.
I was on the fence about Jersey St
By anon
Fri, 03/02/2018 - 3:37pm
Until I heard an old Yale dude with a Red Sox hat give a rant about the team and the street. It would have made the alt-right blush. Good move Sox
Alphabetical grid cross streets of Back Bay/Fenway area...
By theszak
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 7:02pm
Alphabetical grid cross streets of Back Bay/Fenway area...
Arlington Street
Berkeley Street
Clarendon Street
Dartmouth Street
Exeter Street
Fairfield Street
Gloucester Street
Hereford Street
Ipswich Street
Jersey Street
Kilmarnock Street
Lansdowne Street
Massachusetts Avenue
Norway Street
Overland Street
Park Drive
Queensberry Street
Ruggles Street
Symphony Road
Tetlow Street
U... ?
V... ?
Westland Avenue
X... ?
Yawkey Way
Z... ?
https://www.cityofboston.gov/publicworks/streetboo...
Get a map
By Parkwayne
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:19pm
Fenway =/= the Back Bay.
I'd think you'd be up to speed on things which are clearly delineated in an established published form.
True, but
By Waquiot
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 8:45pm
Jersey and Kilmarnock were named as part of the naming convention. Landsdown breaks the sequence and Ipswich begins in the Back Bay.
It’s Alphabetical for Non-Arterial Streets That Cross Boylston
By John Costello
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:45pm
Arlington, Berkeley, Clarendon, Dartmouth, Exeter, Fairfield, Gloucester, Hereford, Ipswich, Jersey, Kilmarnock, Longwood
They are all are or at one point British Baronies.
Massachusetts Ave and The Fenway are excepted owing to the original intent of their design. I don’t count Park Drive because originally the entire road around The Fens was called The Fenway.
As far as the naming scheme goes, the Back Bay and the Fenway were planned together. Later development skewed what we think of Back Bay development towards Bay State Road instead.
Other places with common names; Dorchester Heights in SB has Gates Street, Thomas Park, Mercer Street, and Knowlton Street. All high ranking War Of Independence officers who served under Washington. Dorchester Heights / Telegraph Hill was also known as Mount Washington at the time the streets were laid out.
Longwood Avenue does not cross Boylston Street
By Ron Newman
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:39pm
Correct
By John Costello
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:47pm
It is the next cross street of the original layout of The Fens however
https://collections
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 8:50pm
https://collections.leventhalmap.org/search/common...
Olmsted's original plan for the street layout and naming convention. It was a continuation from the Back Bay as the "Back Bay Fens" aka the Fenway was conceived as an extension of the Back Bay.
Less glaring grey background and darker map easier to read.
By theszak
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 11:08am
Please put the map on a grey less glaring background. Make the map darker easier to read.
It's a photo, friend
By Jeff F
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 11:25am
I think it's just displayed as the color it is, if you catch me.
If your need is great, you can always do a "Save image as..." and then adjust it offline using the image/photo editing app of your choice (I typically use GraphicConverter for stuff like that, fwiw.)
Park Drive was originally
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 8:52pm
Park Drive was originally named Audubon Road. The "P" street is Peterborough.
After Hereford it all goes to pot.
By section77
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 11:47pm
Next up is Mass Ave, which was originally called West Chester Park. The naming of the Back Bay streets came before the annexation of the Brookline Marshes (everything west of the Muddy), which were, yes, a bunch of tidal marshes that we now call The Fens. Somehow urban planning in the 19th century failed to allow for neurosis of the 21st. Good thing this is all completely meaningless.
Meh, they should have called
By Tyler
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:14pm
Meh, they should have called it Old Jersey Street, just so it didn't have a relation to New Jersey.
Next Stop
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:23pm
Yawkey Way Station. After that onward to Lechmere station and several others named after slave owners who were a lot more sinister than Tom Yawkey.
Progress
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 6:54pm
One down ...
It would not surprise me if Lechemere gets renamed to North Point when the station moves in a few years.
Noooooooooo!!!
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 7:02pm
The last vestige of that hallowed institution will not be taken from me!
This aggression will not stand, man!
The store was named after the
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 1:32am
The store was named after the place. Ultimately the name comes from Richard Lechmere, who owned all the land in that area back in colonial times. That said, he was apparently a lousy guy in most respects so maybe it’s for the best.
OTOH, if you want to rename it after someone with a connection to the neighborhood who is better thought of, why not Edwin Land?
Lechmere was a slave owner
By Steve Brady
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:49am
Lechmere was a slave owner AND a Tory who fled to England as the revolution started and never returned.
Well aware of the history of the man
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 10:56am
And did the many, many people like my parents that made me sit outside of that loading dock waiting for them to come out with the bargains. Lechmere's the store was not the hotbed of racism that Fenway Park is.
I rather they work on the Lechmere station architecture
By anon
Fri, 03/02/2018 - 3:52pm
Before something collapses pre Green Line ext
New Station
By blues_lead
Mon, 03/05/2018 - 4:07pm
They're building a new station in a slightly different location as part of GLX
They should rename the street
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 5:30pm
They should rename the street after Tony Conigliaro my opinion.
Seriously??
By SteveGrif
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 6:05pm
I don't tolerate racism at all, but this generation is just getting out of hand. IT'S A STREET NAME!! EVERY OTHER WHITE PERSON was racist in Boston pre 1980. It's not something to be proud of, but it's part of history & it happened. GET OVER IT. Next thing you know Millenial's are going to be looking to change the name of Disney World. What the hell doesn't offend people anymore?!?!
Seriously??
By BostonDog
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 6:21pm
Why do you care if they want to change the street name? They are changing it back to what it used to be. It shouldn't have been changed in the first place.
Overreaction?
By Suldog
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 6:28pm
"EVERY OTHER WHITE PERSON was racist in Boston pre 1980"
SMH (x1000, then start on you.)
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
I don't know...
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 7:03pm
When I lived in the Bunker Hill projects in the eighties, everyone was a racist.
You, Too?
By Suldog
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 10:25pm
You did say "everyone" :-)
My only point was that a sweeping generalization of EVERY WHITE PERSON in Boston pre-1980 being racist is as abominable as insulting any other group by saying they ALL do such-and-such. If nothing else, it at least tends to weaken an argument. As soon as I see something like that, I pretty much feel I can discount anything else being said.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
You're right
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 11:04pm
Maybe not everyone.
There was one black kid who still lived in the projects during the "troubles". He was accepted pretty much by the locals because of his grandparents who lived there since back in the day and never bothered anyone and the old townies liked them. The poor kid did have to dress in a Barracuta coat and Scally cap to fit in though. I don't think he was racist.
Then there was Mayra. She was a Cuban girl that one of the local bank robbers fell in love with and had a kid with. He had to nail the door of her apartment once to keep her from running out to get more dust, but then she ended up jumping from a second story window to score anyways.I don't think she was a racist.
Pretty much everyone else was racist, though.The most hated things back then were the niggers and the liberals, because it was the liberals that brought the niggers, as the saying went.
Ah, the truth stings in a
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 6:57am
Ah, the truth stings in a world class city.
Pro Tip
By SwirlyGrrl
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 6:53pm
Head to the library for some useful texts on how to use apostrophes and appropriate use of ampersands.
Next up - take a look at who is running the Red Sox these days. Unlike Hope Hicks, they aren't millennials. This has been a concern since the origins of the curse in the business practices of the Yawkey family came to light while most millennials were just getting their first gloves.
You're right
By Brian Riccio
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 7:04pm
The new owners aren't millennials. They're just married to them.
You mean Linda?
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:07am
She's not a millenial. Not by a longshot.
Yes,but
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 11:01am
she thinks she is!
I give up. What does Hope
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 9:24pm
I give up. What does Hope Hicks have to do with Boston street names?
No hicks
By Sock_Puppet
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 6:18am
This ain't a hick town.
There's a difference between recognizing Boston's
By MC Slim JB
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 10:43pm
racist history and continuing to name a street in honor of a notorious racist. You probably did some awfully dumb things in your youth: I expect you've learned that just because you once did, you don't need to keep doing them.
(And I know it's popular to bash millennials as delicate snowflakes, but I am grateful that some of them are stepping up and speaking out against the idiocies of their elders. Lord knows we olds don't seem to be much inclined to clean up many of the messes we've made.)
Crude generational stereotypes aside, consider what the late 50s / early 60s Sox might have accomplished had they not been the last team in the majors to integrate. That hateful Neanderthal of an owner had a shot at signing Jackie Robinson, FFS. Even if you're not a Sox fan, you should be cheering this move. This long-time Fenway half-season ticket holder is.
Notorious racist?
By bosguy22
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:46am
Not to his biographer and players who played for him. Do you have any proof he hated black people?
Racist
By bosguy22
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:52am
Yawkey biographer Bill Nowlin in 2018: “In his [Yawkey’s] heart, was he really racist or wasn’t he? There is no indication that he was.”
“The thing that bothers me about it, though, is that try as hard as I could to find true instances of personal racism on his part, I could never find that, and almost as though he is being blamed for – Yawkey is being blamed for something that maybe he wasn’t guilty of.”
Bill Nowlin – Author of “Tom Yawkey – Patriarch of the Boston Red Sox” (2018)
From the Boston Globe on July 29, 1979
Quote from George Scott, an African-American Red Sox player in the 1960’s and 1970’s:
“I’d been born and raised in the South and I’d had tough times before. But I also realized that to get anything you had to run into the right kind of person who would accept you regardless of the color of your skin.”
[The late Tom Yawkey, the former Red Sox owner, was the right kind of person, said Scott.]
“He [Tom Yawkey] was one of the greatest men I’d ever met in my life.”
“If he was prejudiced in any way towards the black ballplayer, I did not detect it. I think if you ask Reggie [Smith] and some of the other guys, they’d tell you the same thing. He treated me well from the day I came to the Red Sox until the day I left. How a man treats you is all that matters, anyway.”
- George Scott
Oh Look
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:09am
Someone has a couple of black friends who say nice things!
Tell it to all the Negro League players that Yawkey refused to draft.
Let me get this straight: you don't believe
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:29am
Yawkey was a racist? Yikes.
Deeds, not words: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/08/18/sports/baseball...
Quoting: "The Red Sox were the final team to integrate, promoting infielder Pumpsie Green to the majors in 1959. That was a dozen years after Jackie Robinson had joined the Brooklyn Dodgers, and nine after Sam Jethroe had joined the Boston Braves and won the National League’s Rookie of the Year Award.
By 1959, even the local N.H.L. team, the Bruins, had employed a black player, Willie O’Ree. But not the Red Sox. As Robinson, Willie Mays, Hank Aaron and Elston Howard helped their teams win championships in the 1950s, the Red Sox — with Ted Williams in his later prime — never finished first during that decade.
The Red Sox tried out Robinson at Fenway Park in 1945 and rejected him. A Boston scout, George Digby, arranged to buy Mays from the Birmingham Black Barons of the Negro Leagues for $4,500. Yawkey and the general manager, Joe Cronin, refused.
'We could have had Mays in center and Williams in left' Digby told The Boston Globe in 2005. 'Cronin sent another scout down to look at him, but Yawkey and Cronin already had made up their minds they weren’t going to take any black players.'"
But he was NICE to black people......
By Pete Nice
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:47am
Can't you read MC?
Let me see
By whyaduck
Mon, 03/26/2018 - 1:15pm
if you can put your immense intellect and know-it-allness under cover for just a bit and read and ponder these two tidbits from the article:
"The cardinal joins Ray Hammond, pastor of Bethel AME Church in Boston, and a trustee of the Yawkey Foundation II, which was founded by Yawkey's widow, Jean. At the hearing, Hammond said the narrative that Yawkey was a racist was false."
and
"I personally saw a change in Mr. Yawkey, from the 1966 season, '67 season, '68 season, when our team now became integrated, with wonderful players like Elston Howard, who he traded for, Jose Tartabull, Reggie Smith, Joe Foy, George Scott, all teammates of mine," he said."
http://www.wbur.org/news/2018/03/16/debate-changin...
And try to respond without insulting folks, MC, which it appears you do on a fairly regular basis.
Another anecdote
By SamW
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 10:05am
When I was in college I tended bar in a hotel bar near Kenmore Square. A group of guys associated with the Bristol Red Sox would come up for weekends to go to games, stay in the hotel, and drink in my bar. Sometimes they wouldn’t bother to go to the games, but would just watch them on the large-screen tv in the bar. And drink.
One night the manager of the Bristol Red Sox stayed by himself after the others had gone to bed, and he got pretty sloppy and morose. The thing I remember best is him saying that “Mr. Yawkey never wanted no niggers in his team.” Of course like your anecdotes that was just one guy’s perception, but at least he wasn’t saying it for publication.
Notorious revisionists
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:06am
They like their select truthy quotes.
The reality is that the Yawkey Family refused to draft anyone out of the Negro Leagues until very very late in the desegregation era.
Full stop.
John Henry is not a millenial
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 10:37pm
John Henry is not a millenial. He's not even Gen x. He's a Republican, so you cant blame it on political party either.
I don't tolerate racism at
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 10:44pm
please, say no more
Oh boy...
By formerlyTheSoBo...
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:46am
the racist and/or ignorant sportsball fans are going to crying and whining for years now.
SteveGrif kicked it off.
- Go Philly Eagles!
- Go City of Boston (Higher Education, Life Sciences, Culture, Finance, Healthcare, BioTech)!
Name it after Red Auerbach.
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 7:25pm
Name it after Red Auerbach.
If John Henry is so troubled
By anon
Wed, 02/28/2018 - 9:36pm
If John Henry is so troubled by the Yawkey Way way, why does he post such big signs advertising the name?
Yawkey Way banners
By Ron Newman
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:17am
They have '47 on them. What is the significance of that year in Red Sox history? 1946 was a pennant, 1948 was a near-miss, but I don't know what they are commemorating for 1947.
It’s an athletic apparel company
By Waquiot
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:28am
And I’m too lazy to look up why they chose ‘47 as their trademark.
The '47 company was founded
By Will
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:39am
The '47 company was founded in 1947.
Back to the topic at hand.....
By Pete Nice
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 8:02am
I get a chuckle at the Yawkey foundation's response to the proposed name change.
What, "I have black friends" wasn't good enough to use so they had to come up with this?
It's all they really have to
By anon
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 9:11am
It's all they really have to go with.
What about later?
By JonT
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 11:38am
It's reasonable to conclude that Yawkey was a racist in the 40's and 50's, when the Sox rejected Robinson and Mays and became the last MLB team to integrate.
But what about afterwards? People are capable of change. Red Barber, the Hall of Fame broadcaster for the Dodgers, grew up in the segregated South and very nearly resigned when he was told that the Dodgers would bring Jackie Robinson to the majors. His wife talked him out of it, and he realized he was wrong, and eventually became one of Robinson's biggest backers.
I can't say for sure that Yawkey repented, though testimony from some of the Blacks who played for the Sox in the 60's and 70's indicate that he might have. And if he did, would that be worthy of honor?
No, Yawkey is not worthy of honor..
By Brian Riccio
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 11:39am
If that's the case, name the street Robert Byrd Way and see how that goes over.
More Involved Than Just Fenway
By Suldog
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 12:27pm
Yawkey's charitable works are well-known and plentiful. It's reasonable to argue that even if all of the racism charges are true, he did way more good for the city than bad. I'd guess more lives have been saved, by his contributions to medical facilities, than the relative handful of players he wronged by not drafting them.
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
I thought most of that charitable giving was done
By MC Slim JB
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 1:21pm
by Mrs. Yawkey long after Tom was dead, albeit with his fortune.
Jimmy Fund
By Suldog
Thu, 03/01/2018 - 2:03pm
Jimmy Fund (and therefore Dana Farber) involvement by Tom Yawkey dates to the early 1950s, and accounted for millions of dollars toward cancer research and facilities. Agganis Foundation scholarships likewise began in the 50s. There were other less noteworthy endeavors that he undertook both prior and subsequently.
Even if much work was done after his passing, it is considerable and worthy of remembrance. How about at least renaming the street "JEAN Yawkey Way"?
Suldog
http://jimsuldog.blogspot.com
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