Enough people will whine and complain that its just a money grab, it causes people to rear-end one another, its nots really a big deal to worry about (I think out state constituion doesn't technically allow it) oh and I'm sure the police union will just love this idea since cameras can't really have discretion in who they ticket and instead people will say we should just build better infra that makes roads safer but then they will whine about it impacting businesses or parking or whatever so we can't do that, lets follow some other cities that are looking to ban pedestrians from using mobile phones while crossing the street, we can post up a BPD officer at major intersections.
Either that or we just stick with the status quo and send thoughts and prayers.
How does our constitution prevent traffic cameras?
Automated traffic enforcement is the answer to all of those "enforce the laws we have" people that resist infrastructure improvements. It is possible to learn from other states and transition to cameras sensibly. A month of warning notices can educate drivers to the difference between the traffic law and what they think the traffic law is.
The constitutional arguments against cameras make no sense. If you can't use an automated method to track and issue fines, the electronic toll (EZpass) cameras should be banned too.
But now they send you a copy of the picture with the ticket. You can appeal it, like any ticket. The state has to provide a witness that verifies the picture if you go to hearing. Indictments are based on CC tv constantly.
The idea is that since a moving violation is the accusation that the law (some part of Massachusetts General Laws), those accused are allowed to contest the charges in a court of law. With no person laying the charges (as a police officer typically does) the right to defense is infringed upon.
One could see the interpretation of the law as a stretch, but that’s how it’s been interpreted.
NYC has traffic cameras all over the place. I don't feel any safer crossing the street there -- quite the contrary in fact.
If someone won't stop when there's a pedestrian in front of their car, why would they stop because there might be a camera that would mail them a ticket a month later?
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of course they did
"South End"
It's Roxbury when politicians want to expand their reach, but South End when something bad happens?
Got it.
https://www.universalhub.com/2019/border-wars-councilor-moves-shift-park...
Boston drivers are out of control.
When are we going to get traffic cameras?
Feels like we never will
Enough people will whine and complain that its just a money grab, it causes people to rear-end one another, its nots really a big deal to worry about (I think out state constituion doesn't technically allow it) oh and I'm sure the police union will just love this idea since cameras can't really have discretion in who they ticket and instead people will say we should just build better infra that makes roads safer but then they will whine about it impacting businesses or parking or whatever so we can't do that, lets follow some other cities that are looking to ban pedestrians from using mobile phones while crossing the street, we can post up a BPD officer at major intersections.
Either that or we just stick with the status quo and send thoughts and prayers.
commonwealth constitution?
How does our constitution prevent traffic cameras?
Automated traffic enforcement is the answer to all of those "enforce the laws we have" people that resist infrastructure improvements. It is possible to learn from other states and transition to cameras sensibly. A month of warning notices can educate drivers to the difference between the traffic law and what they think the traffic law is.
INAL, so forgive my ignorance
But its just something I've seen in passing on a few Uhub threads and Twitter when it comes up specific to Massachusetts.
I thought there was a need to re-write or amend things due to something about being able to confront your accuser or something.
I would LOVE to have automated camera enforcement for the record, 100% behind this.
It's fine as-is
The constitutional arguments against cameras make no sense. If you can't use an automated method to track and issue fines, the electronic toll (EZpass) cameras should be banned too.
Not the issue
The tracking and money aren't the issue.
It is reportedly an issue of facing your accuser.
That's what I remember
But now they send you a copy of the picture with the ticket. You can appeal it, like any ticket. The state has to provide a witness that verifies the picture if you go to hearing. Indictments are based on CC tv constantly.
It’s the right to confront one’s accusers
The idea is that since a moving violation is the accusation that the law (some part of Massachusetts General Laws), those accused are allowed to contest the charges in a court of law. With no person laying the charges (as a police officer typically does) the right to defense is infringed upon.
One could see the interpretation of the law as a stretch, but that’s how it’s been interpreted.
Or traffic consequences.
Or traffic consequences.
NYC has traffic cameras all
NYC has traffic cameras all over the place. I don't feel any safer crossing the street there -- quite the contrary in fact.
If someone won't stop when there's a pedestrian in front of their car, why would they stop because there might be a camera that would mail them a ticket a month later?
We need to get these
We need to get these motorized weapons off our streets.