
About 70 people rallied this morning on the steps of Boston Latin School in support of keeping an exam to help determine who gets into Boston's three exam schools next year, while across Avenue Louis Pasteur, about 20 people held a counter-protest saying it's time to ditch the test as a legacy of Boston's racist past.

The pro-exam protesters were almost entirely white and Asian-American; the anti-exam protesters were almost entirely white. Mostly missing on either side: Blacks and Hispanics, who make up the majority of BPS students.
The School Committee is scheduled to vote Wednesday on a proposal by School Superintendent Brenda Cassellius and an exam-school working group to ditch exams for Boston Latin School, Boston Latin Academy and the O'Bryant School of Mathematics for next year.
Instead, 20% of the roughly 900 exam-school seats for seventh grade would be offered to students with the highest grades citywide while the remaining seats would be offered in several rounds based on Zip codes - the students with the highest class rank in each Zip code would be offered seats, but with preference given to students from lower-income Zip codes.

Protesters chanted this would ruin the exam schools because too many "feeder schools" suck and that that's not fair to the kids in Zip codes that traditionally supply a disproportionate share of exam-school students. "Fix the feeder schools!" they chanted at one point.
They also alleged the proposal is itself racist because it would limit the number of students from Chinatown.

"Don't bring back the quota!" they chanted at one point, referring to the busing-era system BPS used to assign some seats at the exam schools, until a white parent from Hyde Park sued and won in 1996. They also demanded the School Committee schedule a public hearing on the issue before taking any vote. Some questioned why the whole thing isn't being put to a public vote.
Instead, they want BPS to test students who want to go to one of the exam schools with a test called MAP. BPS chose MAP in July to replace the ISEE, which it abruptly decided to stop using in February.

On the other side of the street, protesters pointed to the fact that Boston Latin School in particular has demographics nowhere near those of the rest of the BPS system and that several years of attempts to change that have not worked:


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Exactly
By Alex Sm
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 4:05pm
Yes, Adam. That's the point. Calling an entire neighborhood racist is a weird take when many of the people from the neighborhood fighting the change aren't white. I support the new plan but also support moving beyond old tropes that aren't applicable anymore.
Uh
By MostlyHarmless
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 7:03pm
Asian anti-blackness is kind of a very well documented thing.
As an old (really old) BLS student...
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 2:12pm
I'm not sure I buy this "racist history" bit. When I went to Boston Latin from a neighborhood school in the pre-busing early 70s it was the most integrated place I had been up to that point and I was all the better for it. Nor was there a single issue of a racial nature in all the time I was there. The school itself and it's policies were pretty horrendous (in my opinion), but race or integration was not among it's problems at the time. People just got on with things. It was still all boys mind you, so you might want to make something of that. But I was still there in 1972 when girls were first admitted and the biggest problem I remember was what to do about bathrooms. This was remedied by taping up handwritten signs that said "boys" on some bathrooms and "girls" on others. Problem solved. If the girls didn't mind urinals in their bathrooms.
Things change ...
By adamg
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 2:23pm
Probably the better time to examine is the era before 1996, when BPS had a quota system in place, and after 1996, when it got rid of it (on orders from a federal judge).
I think your missing his point
By Waquiot
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 3:14pm
In 1970, it was easier for African American boys to attend Latin than it was for them to attend South Boston or Charlestown High Schools, so long as they could pass the exam.
And not just African-Americans
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 5:46pm
When I was that BLS in 1970 there were also more Asians and Latinos than I had ever seen in neighborhood schools that were not already that demographic. Granted, the Latino population then was not as large as it is today, but if you wanted in to Boston Latin and you passed the test you were in, irrespective of race, color or creed. I remember thinking, in my 12 year old way, that this seemed like equality. And you won't find anyone more anti-elitist than me, but I'm not sure there is anything elitist about having to pass a test to get into a school that requires a test.
I had no idea that girls were
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 3:39pm
I had no idea that girls were banned from attending BLS within my lifetime... that's misogynistic and disgusting.Wow.
Yes, but ...
By adamg
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 10:46am
Just for the record, that ended decades ago.
Unbelievable?
By Sock_Puppet
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 11:33am
Wait until she reads about Loving v. Virginia
All Boys Boston Latin
By anon
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 11:14am
It's common knowledge that Boston Latin School was an all boys school for the first few hundred years of it's existence. There used to be a lot of those, there are probably still some. It wasn't really considered misogynistic back then (for better or worse), a paradigm shift had yet to take place. View it as a victory for women that the shift did happen. I was there in 1972 when girls were first admitted and nobody made a big thing out of it or resisted in any way. It was just viewed as business as usual. Also, the comparable (or reasonably comparable) Girl's Latin School was in Codman Square for years and became Boston Latin Academy in 1977.
Girls' Latin School
By Lee Hall
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 12:40pm
We had our own school. It was much smaller and way poorer resource wise, but it was actually better scholastically than BLS because it was well behaved hard working girls. Then they made it coed and changed the name to Boston Latin Academy (because the horror of making a boy go to a school with girls in the name.) Now of course more girls than boys attend both schools so at least one wrong has been partially righted.
BTW, best way to solve privilege problem is to grant applicants a number of extra points added to exam scores for each full year that they attended BPS before applying to an exam school. Take that, St. Theresa's....and get parents back to advocating to improve BPS elementary schools.
Yup
By anon
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 6:50pm
and boys were banned from attending Girl’s Latin.
Memories don’t always match facts
By Annie
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 4:37pm
Memories don’t always align with facts.
It may have seemed diverse to you, Anon, and that race and integration were not an issue at BLS in the late 60s, early 70s, but that is not what the data shows.
According to the Boston City Archives, Boston Latin School was even more segregated when you attended than it is today.
In 1966 and 1971, 93% of students attending BLS were white. She shows the BLS demographics and the BPS demographics for each of those years.
You can look at the data reported from BCA on this BLS Senior Capstone student’s website:
African-American Students and Their Experiences at Boston Latin School
http://africanamericanbls.weebly.com/school-demogr...
Most integrated
By Sock_Puppet
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 6:18am
He said it was the most integrated place he had ever been. I don't find that hard to believe, nor difficult to reconcile with the fact that it was 93% white.
BLS
By Bobp
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 9:27am
When I walked into BLS in 1972 and sat in my homeroom it was the first time I was in class with a person of color. actually, my homeroom seatmate was half-black half Puerto Rican named Miguel. Yes, there were people of color and Asians at BLS but it was overwhelmingly white. Much has changed and much is the same 40+ years later. The problem is and always has been the BPS school system and not Latin School. I hope that they can figure out some way to keep BLS and the exam schools and also upgrade the rest of the school system
Selective reading
By Annie
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 7:12pm
Seriously?
“ Nor was there a single issue of a racial nature in all the time I was there. The school itself and it's policies were pretty horrendous (in my opinion), but race or integration was not among it's problems at the time. People just got on with things.â€
Huh...so out of 2500 students that would be about 175 BIPOC. C’mon. You see how ridiculous it is for a white person to say there were no issues of race and integration when there were barely any students of color.
Without exams, they are just
By brianjdamico
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 3:47pm
Without exams, they are just "schools" and we can't have that.
Why not?
By Jose
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 9:56pm
Why not?
Why do people compare the racial
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 3:57pm
demographics of BPS against the racial demographics of BLS? What should be compare is the racial demographics of all the students in Boston (whether in BPS or not) to those of the exam schools. Why are those people discounting BLA and O'Bryant which are also good exam schools?
For entrance into 7th grade, BPS should be looking at the number of 6th graders throughout the City, not the entire number of students throughout the City. Does BPS even have an accurate count of the number of non BPS students in Boston?
There is no easy answer to getting more black and Hispanic students into BLS (since BLS seems to be all that anyone is focusing on). But there is an answer that has been ignored for decades: Improve how those students are taught beginning in kindergarten!! If that means longer schools days, longer school year, more individualized attention, tutoring, family supports, why hasn't BPS and the City done this already??? If they truly cared about those students, they would have done this. Penalizing some 6th graders for years of BPS and City failings is unfair.
That’s a big leap there...
By Annie
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 6:04pm
Data is important and it can reveal what we may have missed without closely examining it.
I think your question tries to simplify the complex issues of Boston’s systemic racism in education, policing, and housing. As a city, Boston’s poverty rate is tied inextricably to race. Research shows the effects of poverty are pervasive in a child’s life. That being said, it should not be permitted to dictate the opportunities and potential of a child. As an educator in BPS and who specifically works with children with special needs- some of whom have gone on to attend exam schools- BPS has made the schools days at many schools longer, as well as the year (ESY), and many teachers (including myself) work to get students involved in tutoring/programs and do food drops. Don’t confuse a city’s decision to not repair or build safe/clean schools, not to ensure led free drinking water, or (until last year) not have a nurse in every school, or the Mayor’s decision to cut school budgets instead of hiring more counselors, or reading specialists; Don’t confuse that with a teacher caring about our students.
Budget went up
By Parkwayne
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 12:41pm
I take your larger point, but since Stevil doesn't seem to post here anymore, I'll point out that the BPS budget hasn't gone down for decades, just enrollment. I understand that per person costs of education have skyrocketed over that time and it's complicated and that schools DO feel huge budget pressures, but it's just wrong to say the budget has been cut. Per BPS info, it's gone up by $200M since Walsh was elected. $200M!
Until you experience it you
By Nicole Cardwell
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 5:28pm
Until you experience it you'll never understand. The exam schools have a very small acceptance rate for black children especially BLS. You guys live in alternate world where nothing is a problem because it doesn't effect you and that is the problem. Stop hiding and lying and face the truth. Black folks have been forced to accept it, the rest of the world does too.
BLS has 54% minority students
By Poppy
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 6:33pm
BLS has 54% minority students. BLA 71% minority and OB 90% minority. Most black and brown students chose BLA or OB as their first choice.
Proof?
By adamg
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 10:44am
Not everybody accepted to BLA or the O'Bryant is offered a seat at BLS. Your argument fails without proof.
How abut a Remedial Program
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 9:48pm
If you insist on admitting less-qualified students, you have two choices:
#1. Let them be miserable trying to keep up, and flunk out.
#2 Water down Latin School, and no one will notice, or will they.
Plumbers and Electricians have have to pass standardized exams. Who wants a faker doing that kind of work. What is the logical conclusion of no exam school, dumb down college, then graduate school, then professional licensure? Even West Point has a prep school to help enlisted service members who need remedial education. If they don't make the grade, they still don't get in. That is an example of providing opportunity while maintaining standards of excellence. https://www.westpoint.edu/usmaps/academics
BLS has 54%minority
By Poppy
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 10:06pm
BLS has 54%minority enrollment, BLA 71% minority enrollment and OB 90% enrollment.
From the Working Group’s
By Poppy
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 10:08pm
From the Working Group’s recommendation:
â–« Student preference, as defined by ranking of exam schools, show that over 70% of students living in the three zip codes with the highest median household income prefer BLS, while students in the three zip codes with the lowest median household income show preferences for all three exam schools.
The acceptance rate...
By anon
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 9:49am
Is even lower for the Latinx community in East Boston. What's your point? The more victimization, the better?
Also, do you think it's fair to punish Asian-Americans just because they've been admitted in higher numbers? Many come from the same economic background as Black students: poor, living in dilapidated housing, parents' unstable job conditions worsened by COVID-19. Just read this USA Today article from yesterday...
Attention alumni
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 5:54pm
Stop giving the millions of dollars each year to the school because it’s not going to be the school you all long supported.
In my opinion
By anon
Sun, 10/18/2020 - 8:13pm
In my opinion the only way to truly even things out is to force all students taking the test to have attended a Boston public school for at least 2 years prior.
You cannot expect students who attended most of our Boston public schools to do as well on these tests as students who went to nice private schools and had their parents pay for tutors.
That's just not the issue
By Parkwayne
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 12:44pm
What percentage of kids go to BLS who aren't in a public school prior? Not a majority of them. All those kids whose parents have been paying for private school on top of their taxes which support BPS are doing us all a HUGE favor because we can't afford to educate the 50K kids in BPS now without trying to get add any of the 20K Boston kids who opt out. Those 20K kids are critical to BPS not consuming the entire city budget.
I don't think that's legal
By Sock_Puppet
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 12:52pm
The exam schools are for all kids who live in Boston. You can't restrict them in that fashion.
There are changes that would tend to have that effect, and I'm sure that all the changes we can think of are being considered. For example, ditching the ISEE test: most of the private school kids were taking that anyway, and there was no reason they had to go to a BPS to take it. Changing the entrance exam to a BPS-proprietary test, and making the administration only available at a Boston public school, would tend to reduce the number of private school kids and increase the number of public school kids, especially if you tied registration for the test itself to proof of residency (which the public school kids have already done).
That's not a matter of restriction so much as friction. The friction for public school kids could be reduced further if all public school kids were scheduled to take the test, and if fees only applied to kids who weren't public school kids.
Majority of your ideas were
By Momto5
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 1:46pm
Majority of your ideas were put in place last year:
- All BPS kids took the ISEE during school in their classrooms - it was free for all BPS kids and I believe it has always been free as long as taken at a BPS administered site
- Other kids (private, etc) could register to take ISEE at a test center (and pay) or take on a Saturday at an approved BPS administered site.
The ISEE was ditched and as of July 2020 was to be replaced with MAPs testing.
Sounds super illegal.
By Lmo
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 3:29pm
Sounds super illegal.
Okay we know where the Mayor is on this. Where are
By bulgingbuick
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 7:41am
Campbell and Wu on this?
I am very curious about Campbell's take
By Waquiot
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 10:23am
As she is a BLS grad, her take should be interesting.
I'm surprised that it took
By anon
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 8:34am
I'm surprised that it took this long to happen.
Let’s examine this ...
By Peter Cohee
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 1:45pm
The fundamental error here is the belief that the quality of the Latin School is independent of the students who attend it and the families who send them. Test or no test, the reputation of BLS rests not on the qualities of the teaching or administrative staff but on the young people sitting in the seats, behaving themselves, working hard, obeying their parents, competing with each other, striving to make something of themselves. The test and grades are a reasonable, but not infallible, straining device for just such students. The admission process can — and should — be improved, for example, by student essays or other demonstrations of readiness and seriousness. A book, The Exam School Dilemma, offers some very useful comparisons (BLS refused to participate in the authors’ research).
Another error: if selective results do not map exactly with racial-group percentages, ergo racism. Q. E. D. No. It is the home culture, not skin color or geographic ancestry, not zip code, that matters most here, and that culture is not indexed by wealth.
True, the Latin School did not always have an entrance exam. But then it had a rigorous, often cruel, process of elimination: one out of three were said to make it from Sixie year to graduation. Summer Redstone declares in the opening of his autobiography that this very feature of BLS made him the hyper-successful man he became. Many others have claimed the same.
So, how far do we go with this cult of “inclusion?†Should we all be included in everything, no one excluded from anything, regardless of qualification? For this is nothing more than evading the moral requirement of recognizing that not all are equal in terms of achievement and striving, though all are equal under the law and the gaze of Heaven.
If the School Committee makes this decision, it will be yet another brutally Rawlsian cop-out: what all can not have, none may have.
For the people who are upset
By anon
Mon, 10/19/2020 - 2:56pm
For the people who are upset that too many Asian students are attending BLS, do you mean children whose ethnicity is Chinese, Japanese, Vietnamese? What if these chldren's parents or grandparents are from Laos or India or Thailand or all of the above? Is that okay with you? Exactly which Asian ethnicities in what percentage do YOU deem acceptable at BLS? So if a child whose ethicity is Korean tests into BLS and earns a seat, would you tell them: no not you, we already have too many Asians! You don't see this as racist??
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