Arroyo: Social-equity lens needed for Boston dog-park needs.
City Councilor Ricardo Arroyo (Hyde Park, Roslindale, Mattapan) says it's way past time for Boston to begin installing dog parks outside the "high income neighborhoods" he says have them now - and that the city should be planning them first, rather than waiting for organized groups of dog owners with discretionary income to push for them.
Arroyo said today there are no municipal dog parks at all in the southwest quarter of the city - West Roxbury, Hyde Park, Roslindale, Jamaica Plain and Mattapan. His district includes a nine-acre abandoned playground in the state-owned Stony Brook Reservation that dog owners worked for several years to convert to a dog park, only to have their plans founder on the stony visage of then state Rep. Angelo Scaccia.
"It's a real issue for dog owners," especially now, in a city growing denser by the moment and with an influx of "pandemic puppies," Arroyo said. Not only do dog parks give dogs a place to socialize and get exercise, they provide a place that keeps dogs away from people who don't want to be ambushed by exuberant or angry unleashed dogs in city parks, he said.
Boston Animal Control Director Alexis Trzcinski said she is all for more dog parks, and also cited separation of dogs from people who don't want to deal with them. She said that while her officers can issue $50 fines for unleashed dogs, she said that ideally, they would couple any fines or warnings with education on why dogs should be leashed while out and about - and that that's harder to do when there are no alternatives, such as nearby dog parks, to point the owners to.
Arroyo was joined by City Councilor Matt O'Malley (Jamaica Plain, West Roxbury), who has seen two proposed dog parks in his district get shot down, one at Millennium Park in West Roxbury, where the city said it could not drill down for supports for required structures because that might puncture the lining that protects the giant heaps of trash buried under the park, and one along the Southwest Corridor Park, where DCR announced plans, then just gave up on them.
Parks Commissioner Ryan Woods said the city has money in its budget to build a dog park at Smith Field in Allston and that he has begun to talk with residents about a possible dog park behind Flaherty Pool at Roslindale's Healy Field. He added that Hyde Park in particular would be difficult for building a dog park on city land because almost all the parkland there, such as Stony Brook Reservation, is owned by the state.
Woods estimated a cost of $250,000 to create a dog park, which would include required grading, fencing and installation of a water supply, both for hot dogs on warm summer days and to aid residents with keeping the sites clean.
City Councilor Kenzi Bok (Back Bay, Beacon Hill, Fenway, Mission HIll) also supported the idea of more dog parks - and of converting the current ad-hock dog run on the Common into a more permanent facility. She said that some land under the ramps of Charlesgate would be ideal for a dog park, because it's not like much can grow there anyway, but said that would likely take some major cooperation between the city and the state, which owns the ramps.
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Can confirm
By Parkwayne
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 4:21pm
every day of the week, there assholes letting their dogs shit all over Fallon Field.
I see assholes leaving
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 1:24pm
I see assholes leaving garbage all over Fallon and every inch of the city. See what I did there?
Dog pooped should 100% be picked up by their humans. But forgive me for not taking any of you seriously who don't have issue or take responsibility w/ the garbage that covers every inch of this city.
I would not use a dog park if
By redheadedjen
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:44pm
I would not use a dog park if one came to HP, as my two are old now and one of my dogs is reactive and my anxiety would be off the scale (that is the main reason!)
my dog gets intimidated
By cinnamngrl
Fri, 04/23/2021 - 11:54am
my dog gets intimidated easily, but she needs some supervised socialization with other dogs to keep her from becoming a neurotic pain in the butt. (Care for the dog, not the neurosis) But she does hate dog parks because of the gravel. She wants grass and dirt that she can dig her toes into and scratch about. Of course gravel is good for dog parks because it drains well and keeps it sanitary. my dog is very small and she just isn't comfortable on the gravel. I clean up after my dog, and everyone should clean up after their pets. I still walk her even when I have a yard because she needs the exercise.
Gravel can be harsh on dog’s
By Lee
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 1:03pm
Gravel can be harsh on dog’s feet.
Wait... Roslindale ISNT
By anon
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:12pm
A high income area. As someone who grew up in Roslindale. This is the whitest and wealthiest its been EVER!
You might have a very narrow definition of Roslindale
By adamg
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 8:29pm
Because as somebody who lives here now, I'd argue it's way more diverse than it was when we moved here in the 1990s. There's more to the neighborhood than just Peters Hill.
Expensive? Yes, but there are still parts that aren't, well, at least relative to the rest of the city.
Don't buy the WR/Millennium Park answer.
By Pete Nice
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:22pm
I don't pay too much attention to this stuff but can't they have fencing with block posts above ground? We aren't building the Eifel Tower here, just a fence for dogs. This is a WORLD CLASS CITY. Surely they could have thought up an idea for fencing in an area like this.
ya
By cybah
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:29pm
I mean how far down are they going... or rather, how thin is the cap on this landfill?
I'm betting fence posts
By anon
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 6:09pm
don't go down deeper than the supports for the playground structures. At least I hope the playground structures have some quality support better than what is done for fence posts. If this is an issue, how about trucking in a few more feet of landfill and then putting the dog park on top of that?
Plaground
By blues_lead_01
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 9:20am
The playground was probably in the original design, so that area was made with a deep enough cap to support it.
Yep
By adamg
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 9:47am
That's also how they got a water fountain there. But it will be an issue as the city gets ready to re-do the playground there and, possibly, add a permanent restroom building where the water fountain is now. See the diagram here.
Hyde Park was downed. Oh the
By redheadedjen
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:25pm
Hyde Park was downed. Oh the state owns all the land so good luck!
Yes, just three city-owned parks in the whole neighborhood
By adamg
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:31pm
And one was just rebuilt, so now you're down to just two city parks, in terms of potential dog areas, basically.
Meanwhile, what's left of the Thompson Center just continues to rot and get covered in feces, glass and graffiti.
and not dog
By cybah
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:38pm
and not dog feces?
Dog parks make parks safer
By anon
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 3:55pm
The more people that use a park, the safer it is. Very often dog owners are there in the early morning hours when no one else is. The dog park areas really ought to be bigger when possible, too often they are tiny sections that end with the animals too crowded together, which results in stress and fights. Millennium Park can accommodate a large area for dogs. The city's assertion that fences are not possible should be challenged.
Cost
By Rob O
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 5:05pm
A few years ago, I worked on trying to get a dog park.
As mentioned in the article, the City thinks it requires $250K for a dog park. That's a huge part of the problem. How can you get any traction when it "costs" a quarter of a million to cordon off some City-owned land for dog owners? Ridiculous.
And these aren't even accessible by monorail....
It’s not just fencing. Our
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 8:27am
It’s not just fencing. Our group of neighbors raised and spent about $100k building the Ronan Park dog park back in 2009. There was a major amount of grading and site work done. Special fill and gravel that keeps water from running off into other properties, shaded areas, and water are also needed.
It’s not cheap at all to do it right. But the city is flush with cash now due to increasing property tax revenue.
Right
By Rob O
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 9:56am
They find a way to make it a 100, 200, or 250K project.
The dogs are already using many of these areas. Just put up a simple fence. Anything else is gravy (and nice, but unnecessary).
Without mitigating runoff the
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 10:29am
Without mitigating runoff the city will pay as much if not more in lawsuits to neighbors whose property is impacted. Pick your poison.
West Roxbury isn’t a high income neighborhood?
By Waquiot
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 5:06pm
Either Arroyo needs to visit the other side of Stony Brook Reservation or I’m truly ghetto.
Moreover, are Roslindale and Jamaica Plain areas in need of “social equity?â€
That said, southern Boston needs dog parks.
You gotta be kidding. Most
By Notfromboston
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 5:31pm
You gotta be kidding. Most kids in this city don't have a safe place to play (without homeless, needles, or drugs). And dog parks are foremost on the CC mind?
Walk and Chew Gum
By Pete X
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 5:47pm
You can do both, yknow
But dogs come first, right?
By Notfromboston
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 6:07pm
But dogs come first, right?
Strawman
By Pete X
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 7:55pm
goin' straight to the devil
You say you can do both, but
By Notfromboston
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 12:09pm
You say you can do both, but maybe start with the Franklin park *playground*
Dog parks help get dogs out of people spaces
By YIMBY
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 2:59pm
Instead of having large sections of public space turned into de facto dog parks that exclude children, put the dogs in their own space and give back the space that was meant for kids to the kids. It seems like a win-win for the kids.
It's probably also a win-win for those people of color who have historical reasons to be a little skittish about off-leash dogs. (Hello, Ivy-league educated bird-watchers.)
And it's probably also a win-win for people like me who are just kinda annoyed at dog poop even though I kinda like dogs but also kind just want to not think about them when I'm going for a run.
Magoo sez
By MisterMagooForYoo
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 5:37pm
Magoo has a pooch named cuddles McCutesey and he is such a wittle snuggle bugsy. Magoo
What I want know
By SamWack
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 5:37pm
is, if all this space is set aside for people to park their dogs, will they be allowed to use space savers?
South End doesn't allow space
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 6:18am
South End doesn't allow space savers.
So many dog walkers and all
By anon
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 7:06pm
So many dog walkers and all breeds of dogs living all over the city and so much dog shit stained and stepped on on sidewalks. Even if the walkers pick up the shit it get rubbed into the sidewalks. Worse than ever. I am a dog lover but also a pedestrian and resident.
Nothing like a good old
By ZachAndTired
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 9:00pm
Nothing like a good old fashioned dog park post to remind you how many legit psychos comment on this site. Jesus.
Yes.
By crispino
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 7:43am
Preach it, brother. This may be the most highly concentrated collection of completely off-base and utterly inane comments I've seen on this site. You people are out of your goddamned minds.
Holy Shih Zhu
By Ben_Quahog
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 9:34pm
Dog parks have become the new bicyclists running red lights.
Bookshelves
By Ben_Quahog
Wed, 04/21/2021 - 9:36pm
I have no fur in this game, so the most remarkable thing to me is Arroyo's bookshelves.
Magoo sez
By MisterMagooForYoo
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 6:16am
Srsly. Amirite? Magoo.
I wonder
By Edwardo
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 2:40am
If a dog is attacked by others dogs at a dog park, is the city liable?
Last I checked, humans are
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 4:21am
Last I checked, humans are dying on the streets of this city. Dog parks? GFY
virtual reality dog parks
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 6:51am
Think about it.
I'm all for dog parks, but
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 7:21am
I'm all for dog parks, but realize you'll still have dog shit all over the city.
People complaining there is ....
By Lee
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 8:33am
... dog poop everywhere are exaggerating. I walk a considerable amount all over Boston and I see very little dog poop compared to cigarette butts, fast food packaging, scratch cards, masks, etc. None of these things decompose either.
Don't
By Edwardo
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 2:40pm
Forget the empty nips. If I got a nickel for every empty Fireball nip, I could probably pay off my mortgage.
all the cat owners watching the comments:
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 8:05am
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the city said it could not
By Refugee
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 8:21am
What structures are needed, besides a chain link fence?
I think that's enough?
By Parkwayne
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 12:55pm
If you go down a few feet, it's probably close to the cap and no-one wants to risk it.
A different question is where at Millennium was this going to go and why couldn't they move it to a non-trash portion of Millennium? For example, there's a bit to the north of the lower fields where I think it would be easy to put in a park on a bit of a sloped area?
City life...
By Presumably Sane
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 1:52pm
One thing I've notice about Boston politics is many people jump to a "what about me" posture anytime spending comes into play.
If we only had quality-of-life services or amenities that everyone needed or wanted, we wouldn't have much of anything.
Asking people to buy land for their dogs is not a viable option in Boston. There's little land and it's affordable to a few.
I have seen private
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 5:53pm
I have seen private developers provide dog parks for their residents.
There should not be a dog park in the common!
Private developers, private groups and dog owners should pay for dog parks not taxes.
And leash laws should be enforced and that should pay for more dog officers who seriously fine people who soil the public land.
No lie - two of my dog owning
By anon
Thu, 04/22/2021 - 6:04pm
No lie - two of my dog owning neighbors have yards. But where do they take their dogs to shit and piss? My front yard. They don’t even see the absolute f*ucked up this is and how selfish it is. So now i cover my yard and garden in a hot chili salad dressing to keep the dogs away. It doesn’t damage my garden but it irritates (not hurts) the dogs. So far so good.
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