Say what you want about him, but I think he does a fantastic job as governor of MA and we need more people like him in politics. He actually uses his brain and logic before speaking/making decisions unlike a lot of politicians.
I’m glad he’s on his way out so we can elect a change agent, instead of this classic white moderate (whose version of protecting abortion is vetoing abortion protections, as cited below).
While Baker is widely popular across all demographics, he is hated in the current MAGA-fied Mass. GOP. Las year he was underwater in favorability at something like 22% and his unfavorability in the party was close to 70%.
The Mass GOP cannibalized the most popular governor in the country in favor of extremism and Geoff Diehl.
While he remains one of the most popular governors in the country, boosted by a high approval rating among Democrats, Baker is viewed favorably by just 23 percent of Republican general election voters and unfavorably by 68 percent, according to the poll Tuesday.
After seeing how they want to treat POC, women, LGBTQ, etc....I must ask how can you lean right after seeing what the right has done to this country in the last 6 years?
The Dems are FAR from perfect but my vote will always go to the party that wants more ppl to vote, have safety nets for the folks that need them, and want a better life for all not just the few in power.
Yes, there are bums on both sides of the aisle but after the GOP comes for women, POC, LGBTQ - they will come for you too.
All these assholes keep quite during the confirmation hearings for the recent the Supreme Court justices which made no bones about their willingness to “revisit” decisions like this and their anti-abortion views.
But suddenly they act shocked at the decision which they were basically appointed to the court to deliver.
Baker would be unlikely to have derailed the appointments during the Trump administration but he sure kept quite nevertheless.
Does that count? Seems like it would have been pretty easy for him to just say he couldn't give any support, especially since he did the same thing when it came to the Presidential race.
Be fruitful and duplicate and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.
Given the current Maga-mad state of the party, Baker has exactly zero chance of being picked as running mate by any potential Republican nominee for President. Even less so for any Democrat.
Trump picked Pence in 2016 because he was unsure of values voters. This time around he knows the evangelicals will vote for him no matter what. No need for a moderate on the ticket. My guess is he picks between Sarah Palin, Margorie Taylor Greene, or Lauren Boebert. I'm guessing he'd prefer Boebert because she's younger and hotter. May God have mercy on us all.
(but Simpsons references aside, if you think the parties are anywhere near even on the subject of abortion rights, you might need to get your eyes checked and maybe see a doctor about your lack of awareness.)
Since you’re with the previous poster and see republican and immediately think bad, democrat good. I’ll give it to you that there are a lot of bad Republicans, but don’t be so blind and think the Democrats are all peaches and ice cream because they’re doing a ton of damage right now and have painted themselves into a corner and don’t know how to get out.
When it comes to my personal rights, I'll take "frustratingly ineffective" over "actively harmful". And given the first-past-the-post system we still continue to use for state and federal elections, if you're not voting against "actively harmful", you're not helping.
MAGA is the mainstream of the Republican party right now. MAGA is a white nationalist ideology with extremist views on abortion and is working overtime on voter suppression and stealing elections. That is the mainstream of Republicanism in 2022. Trump is not a outlier, he is the party leader and avatar. Trumpism is the mundane day-to-day in the GOP. The Democrats, on the other hand, elected ”radical” Joe Biden.
If there is such a thing as a “good” Republican nowadays, they face the same ostracization that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, and Charlie Baker face. They are unviable as candidates, so why bother supporting them?
The Republican Party has been actively working to dismantle ALL of the progress our society has made since the days of the robber barons, and they've been doing it since Ronald Reagan. Civil rights, worker protection, environmental protection, public education, Social Security, child-worker restrictions, voting rights -- you name it, and the Greedy Old People party wants it gone. It's not just Trumpists who have been doing that. Witness the gloating over the death of Roe v. Wade.
The Democrats have been disgustingly complicit in the GOP attacks, and the Clinton wing of the Party has a lot to answer for, but god damn it if a vote for Republicans isn't a vote for evil.
Baker is a vocal supporter of Susan Collins, even stumping for her during her most recent reelection, knowing she voted for the anti-choice Supreme Court justices, knowing full well that her vote meant the end of Roe v Wade. That makes Baker just another lying, anti-choice, run of the mill, says one thing while doing the opposite, tow the line republican. He can’t have it both ways. Please stop touting him as anything but. You can slather that pig with as much lipstick as you want to; at the end of the day, you still have a pig.
...the subject was one of legacy as Massachusetts governor. In that context it is reasonable to discuss Charlie Baker. It is nonsense to bring up Nancy Pelosi.
Pelosi was brought up just to point out the fallacy in making the argument that because someone supports a candidate that is anti-choice doesn’t automatically make them also anti-choice.
I can’t believe I have to spell this out for so many people…..
we can move on, but you're the one who brought her up. in effect, her support of anti-choice candidates makes her anti-choice.
you and others allege that the left wing of the party is why the Democrats are in trouble. meanwhile, you overlook the harmful and duplicitous ideological choices the establishment wing makes, ostensibly in the name of electoral calculus.
But in any case, you can make an argument for Pelosi needing to support candidates she doesn't agree with for the sake of her own political situation. What's Baker's excuse when it comes to support of people like Diehl or Collins?
Comments
Love Baker
By robo
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 12:47pm
Say what you want about him, but I think he does a fantastic job as governor of MA and we need more people like him in politics. He actually uses his brain and logic before speaking/making decisions unlike a lot of politicians.
To each their own
By emac
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 1:28pm
I’m glad he’s on his way out so we can elect a change agent, instead of this classic white moderate (whose version of protecting abortion is vetoing abortion protections, as cited below).
I am however a fan of this: https://www.bostonglobe.com/2022/05/05/opinion/bakers-housing-law-is-ruf...
We’ll youre on the fringe
By anon
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 2:09pm
He would easily win re-election against anyone in the current field.
Baker afraid of the primary
By tblade
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 2:46pm
While Baker is widely popular across all demographics, he is hated in the current MAGA-fied Mass. GOP. Las year he was underwater in favorability at something like 22% and his unfavorability in the party was close to 70%.
The Mass GOP cannibalized the most popular governor in the country in favor of extremism and Geoff Diehl.
Not true at all
By anon
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 4:11pm
I lean right now a days because dems have run so far left (I didn’t change). I would never vote for Geoff.
Both parties unfortunately have their fringe minorities show up in masses during primaries.
Voting should either be a holiday or held on weekends so both extremes stop dictating who the finalists are.
Most of America including this state fall somewhere in the middle.
Lol
By tblade
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 9:04pm
OK.
https://www.boston.com/news/politics/2021/11/23/ch...
After seeing how they want to
By anon
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 9:07am
After seeing how they want to treat POC, women, LGBTQ, etc....I must ask how can you lean right after seeing what the right has done to this country in the last 6 years?
The Dems are FAR from perfect but my vote will always go to the party that wants more ppl to vote, have safety nets for the folks that need them, and want a better life for all not just the few in power.
Yes, there are bums on both sides of the aisle but after the GOP comes for women, POC, LGBTQ - they will come for you too.
I disagree with you about the widely popular part
By jmeltzer
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 6:42pm
but you sure are right about how the state Republicans feel about Baker.
I remain astonished that he puts up with it. I expected him to go independent years ago.
70% state-wide approval rating last month
By tblade
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 7:07pm
I count myself in the 30%, but if 70% doesn't count as widely popular, then nothing does.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
As counted how?
By lbb
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 9:00am
As counted how?
Put up or shut up, Charlie.
By tblade
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 12:47pm
[url=https://www.wbur.org/news/2020/12/24/baker-vetoes-... Vetoes Bill Expanding Abortion Access In Mass.[/url]
Sure
By BostonDog
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 12:52pm
All these assholes keep quite during the confirmation hearings for the recent the Supreme Court justices which made no bones about their willingness to “revisit” decisions like this and their anti-abortion views.
But suddenly they act shocked at the decision which they were basically appointed to the court to deliver.
Baker would be unlikely to have derailed the appointments during the Trump administration but he sure kept quite nevertheless.
And he bravely…
By tblade
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 1:05pm
…sat out the last two presidential elections refusing to vote against the extremist GOP nominee who appointed said justices.
Faker Baker.
By Lee
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 2:01pm
.
Found Him!
By John Costello
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 2:42pm
Pee Wee is backing Geoff Diehl.
Sorry to disappoint and possibly make you cry.
By Lee
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 3:26pm
Baker is a faker when he claims to be pro choice.
Ok, Lee
By robo
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 5:50pm
Your turn to provide proof for you accusation aside from the fact that you don’t like Baker.
He publicly endorsed an anti-choice candidate for Senate
By fungwah
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 10:50pm
Does that count? Seems like it would have been pretty easy for him to just say he couldn't give any support, especially since he did the same thing when it came to the Presidential race.
Who was the candidate?
By anon
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 7:22am
Who was the candidate?
That’s a stretch
By robo
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:13am
Pelosi is supporting Cueller. I guess she’s anti-choice too, right?
uh…
By berkleealum
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:19am
if Nancy Pelosi is your ace in the hole when it comes to citing principled politicians, then we might be pretty fucked
Ace in the hole?
By robo
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:41am
No. Making my point that Lee is once again making shit up in his fantasy world. Yes.
Huh?
By lbb
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 9:15am
What exactly did he make up?
my point
By berkleealum
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 12:37pm
is that citing Pelosi’s support for anti-choice candidates is not a gotcha
duplicate
By berkleealum
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:18am
.
and fill the earth
By perruptor
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 12:58pm
Be fruitful and duplicate and fill the earth and subdue it and have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the birds of the heavens and over every living thing that moves on the earth.
Does this help
By Refugee
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 2:42pm
Does this help Baker's chances of getting a VP spot on the ticket in 2024, or does it hurt?
I don't think the dems will
By anon
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 3:27pm
I don't think the dems will accept him as a VP candidate, but who knows.
Meaningless question
By perruptor
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 3:33pm
Given the current Maga-mad state of the party, Baker has exactly zero chance of being picked as running mate by any potential Republican nominee for President. Even less so for any Democrat.
Even before Trump, Baker is
By anon
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 7:29am
Even before Trump, Baker is the kind of east coast republican who would be considered a Democrat in any true red-blooded midwestern state.
Not a chance
By Saddlebrook7
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 5:35pm
Trump picked Pence in 2016 because he was unsure of values voters. This time around he knows the evangelicals will vote for him no matter what. No need for a moderate on the ticket. My guess is he picks between Sarah Palin, Margorie Taylor Greene, or Lauren Boebert. I'm guessing he'd prefer Boebert because she's younger and hotter. May God have mercy on us all.
None of those three.
By jmeltzer
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 6:44pm
It will be Ivanka.
RINO
By anon
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 3:27pm
Sad!
Open your eyes and look around
By robo
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 9:49pm
There’s more out there than just blue and red.
Go ahead
By fungwah
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 10:52pm
Throw your vote away!
(but Simpsons references aside, if you think the parties are anywhere near even on the subject of abortion rights, you might need to get your eyes checked and maybe see a doctor about your lack of awareness.)
Apparently you should open your eyes too
By robo
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:09am
Since you’re with the previous poster and see republican and immediately think bad, democrat good. I’ll give it to you that there are a lot of bad Republicans, but don’t be so blind and think the Democrats are all peaches and ice cream because they’re doing a ton of damage right now and have painted themselves into a corner and don’t know how to get out.
Call me crazy, but
By fungwah
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:38am
When it comes to my personal rights, I'll take "frustratingly ineffective" over "actively harmful". And given the first-past-the-post system we still continue to use for state and federal elections, if you're not voting against "actively harmful", you're not helping.
The party of insurrection, coup.
By tblade
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 8:49am
MAGA is the mainstream of the Republican party right now. MAGA is a white nationalist ideology with extremist views on abortion and is working overtime on voter suppression and stealing elections. That is the mainstream of Republicanism in 2022. Trump is not a outlier, he is the party leader and avatar. Trumpism is the mundane day-to-day in the GOP. The Democrats, on the other hand, elected ”radical” Joe Biden.
If there is such a thing as a “good” Republican nowadays, they face the same ostracization that Liz Cheney, Adam Kinzinger, and Charlie Baker face. They are unviable as candidates, so why bother supporting them?
It's not just the Maggats
By perruptor
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 1:15pm
The Republican Party has been actively working to dismantle ALL of the progress our society has made since the days of the robber barons, and they've been doing it since Ronald Reagan. Civil rights, worker protection, environmental protection, public education, Social Security, child-worker restrictions, voting rights -- you name it, and the Greedy Old People party wants it gone. It's not just Trumpists who have been doing that. Witness the gloating over the death of Roe v. Wade.
The Democrats have been disgustingly complicit in the GOP attacks, and the Clinton wing of the Party has a lot to answer for, but god damn it if a vote for Republicans isn't a vote for evil.
Only one in ten abortions
By Peg
Sun, 05/08/2022 - 8:13pm
Only one in ten abortions patients had incomes below the poverty line.
Baker is anti-choice
By Homer Bedloe
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 12:23pm
Baker is a vocal supporter of Susan Collins, even stumping for her during her most recent reelection, knowing she voted for the anti-choice Supreme Court justices, knowing full well that her vote meant the end of Roe v Wade. That makes Baker just another lying, anti-choice, run of the mill, says one thing while doing the opposite, tow the line republican. He can’t have it both ways. Please stop touting him as anything but. You can slather that pig with as much lipstick as you want to; at the end of the day, you still have a pig.
Pelosi too
By robo
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 12:26pm
See my above comment. Pelosi is just another one of those anti-choice say one thing do another politician.
Tell you what
By fungwah
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 2:13pm
I won't vote for Pelosi for Mass Governor either.
Deal
By robo
Mon, 05/09/2022 - 5:34pm
And I won’t vote for Baker for Mass Governor too
I believe...
By lbb
Tue, 05/10/2022 - 9:49am
...the subject was one of legacy as Massachusetts governor. In that context it is reasonable to discuss Charlie Baker. It is nonsense to bring up Nancy Pelosi.
It’s time to move on
By robo
Tue, 05/10/2022 - 11:02am
Pelosi was brought up just to point out the fallacy in making the argument that because someone supports a candidate that is anti-choice doesn’t automatically make them also anti-choice.
I can’t believe I have to spell this out for so many people…..
there's no "fallacy"
By berkleealum
Tue, 05/10/2022 - 8:29pm
we can move on, but you're the one who brought her up. in effect, her support of anti-choice candidates makes her anti-choice.
you and others allege that the left wing of the party is why the Democrats are in trouble. meanwhile, you overlook the harmful and duplicitous ideological choices the establishment wing makes, ostensibly in the name of electoral calculus.
Supporting a candidate
By robo
Tue, 05/10/2022 - 2:37pm
Automatically means you support their entire portfolio of policies and beliefs? Seriously?
Maybe, just maybe they’re not the best, but the best of what’s being offered.
*shakes head in disbelief*
when you understand
By berkleealum
Tue, 05/10/2022 - 6:59pm
that the democrats are fighting just as hard against the left as they are the right, it becomes a whole lot easier to believe
I wouldn't exactly call her pro-choice
By fungwah
Tue, 05/10/2022 - 7:33pm
maybe more like "pro-power"?
But in any case, you can make an argument for Pelosi needing to support candidates she doesn't agree with for the sake of her own political situation. What's Baker's excuse when it comes to support of people like Diehl or Collins?
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