![The front of the line to get on a bus in South Boston this morning](https://universalhub.com/files/styles/main_image_-_bigger/public/images/2023/line1.jpg)
Only the front of the line.
Carina Flynn videoed the lines of people hoping they can get on a 7 bus in South Boston this morning:
The line continues:
![People waiting for the 7 bus](/images/2023/line3.jpg)
Needless to say I’m taking the #9 and rolling the dice on the Red Line.
@maureencaught @universalhub check out the lines for the #7….needless to say I’m taking the #9 and rolling the dice on the red line pic.twitter.com/bTDTkEztBG
— Carina Flynn (@Ccirrici) July 12, 2023
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Going on forever, but
By g
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 10:12am
you would think that any private company would look at this as a market opportunity.
Not the MBTA.
"Market" or "Marketing"?
By Pete X
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 10:23am
With what money? Who do you think funds the T? You know it doesn't make a profit off of fares, right?
Yes, ideally the T would be using this as a "marketing" example to get funding for running more buses and putting in separate lanes with signal priority, but the governors (especially corporate vandal Charlie Baker) haven't wanted to ask for more funding and the hacks on Beacon Hill currently led by speaker-for-life Mariano and president-for-life Spilka either hate the T or are happy to not do anything about.
Nope
By necturus
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 10:27am
There's no profit in it.
Remember, a long time ago the T used to be the Boston Elevated Railway Company. It couldn't make any money, so it ended up in public hands.
So did most of the private streetcar/bus companies hereabouts. They all ended up under the umbrella of the MBTA, because there was an essential service needed that couldn't be done for profit.
This is also why the New York Central, New Haven, and Boston and Maine Railroads no longer run the commuter rail as they used to. They lost money doing it.
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By g
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 10:57am
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It's been tried.
By b from Ros
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 4:36pm
Company called Bridj.
And they focused on the high demand areas, presumably with profitability and high value in mind.
Unfortunately, they were trying to fill a gap between the highest cost services with the most flexibility (Uber/Lyft) and the lowest cost ones (mbta).
There just doesn't seem to be enough money in this niche.
https://www.wbur.org/news/2017/05/02/bridj-shutdown
61% service cuts + dropped trips
By Ari O
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 11:08am
The 7 bus dropped three trips this morning (probably one of the 6 buses on the route didn't show).
In the past, that wouldn't have been too much of an issue, since pre-pandemic, the 7 bus ran 18 trips per hour between 7 and 9 a.m. Now, the bus runs only 7 trips per hour at peak hour: a 61% service cut. Overall, the route has seen a 43% service cut on weekdays by number of inbound trips.
If I were a Southie pol I'd be calling the T and asking "WTF?"
According to the Bus Network Redesign Project...
By Cleary Squared
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 12:42pm
The current 7 is supposed to be upgraded to the new T7, running from City Point to Sullivan via North and South Stations at a frequency of every 15 minutes or less, each and every day.
That translates to at least four trips per hour, much less than the seven trips now and for a longer distance. So, the buses will either be even more crowded, or the MBTA would be forced to use articulated buses to cram on even more passengers.
Bus Network Redesign
By Pete X
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 12:55pm
The T designation means a MINIMUM frequency of 15 minutes all day every day. They were probably not planning to reduce frequency.
Yknow, if they can ever hire enough people to run that redesign.
Or if they can get public approval
By cybah
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 2:28pm
The problem is.. everyone complained about how this project would change busses. People bitched because some places lost bus routes (because they mirrored train lines) or that stops now were 'too far away' from them. When in reality these were all just personal preferences that people were complaining about.
NIMBY NIMBY NIMBY. is pretty much what i gathered reading much of the public comments.
I think this project is dead in the water.. too many changes for people.
There was a 2.0 revision of the bus redesign
By Ron Newman
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 3:06pm
which addressed many of the concerns people raised in hearings for the first version (such as that it took bus service away from Somerville that people needed in order to connect to the brand-new Green Line stations). And I think the MBTA board approved it.
The better bus project
By Ari O
Thu, 07/13/2023 - 4:06pm
Is a solution desperately in search of a problem.
The history: From 2008 to 2014 Houston lost 30% of its bus ridership (old link because I still need to update my certificates). They decided that they had to completely redesign the system since it didn't serve the center of demand, they did so, and it was successful. Some consultants saw dollar signs and started pitching bus network redesigns to other agencies with bus performance issues, and some of those agencies (cough MBTA cough) thought "hey, here's a quick fix for our buses."
Only it's not fixing what's broken. The problem with the T's bus network is not that it doesn't go places that people need it to go (for the most part, there are certainly some tweaks to be made around the edges). The problem is that the buses are barely dispatched, that the schedules are unrealistic and the buses get hopelessly behind, that the T seems afraid of transit signal priority, that bus lanes that take a single parking space are nearly impossible (you know, those people driving from the Cape to Cambridge for a hair cut) and, oh, yeah, having enough drivers.
But those are hard, while throwing a few million dollars at a consultant to use Big Data to redesign bus routes is easy! I've heard some stories from this process, which has now been going for five-plus years (this early work was useful, but has not been used well). At one point they had three high-frequency bus routes converging on Newton Centre until they were told "uh, yeah, no, that's probably not a huge focus" and another route was proposed between East Milton and JFK and the consultants had to be told "yeah, pretty sure the 'demand' you are seeing are people stuck in traffic on the Expressway."
So the final map is basically the same map as today with some tweaks around the edges. Except the whole game for the consultants is "cut infrequent routes to create more frequent routes" except, again, that's not the issue in Boston. The issue in a lot of cities were infrequent, "coverage" routes which provided infrequent service to certain locations but had very little ridership. Most routes in Boston just need to be more frequent. Some routes are infrequent at rush hour but still carry full loads. Others run every few minutes but can't cope with demand. These are not problems in Houston yet the T was paying for a Houston solution. Since every route they planned to cut (at one point) had a pretty strong constituency, and many probably should be made more frequent, the T backtracked to "okay, we'll add 25% to the service levels" which is all well and good but they don't have enough buses for service today.
So instead of focusing on better operations and dispatching and making our buses and drivers more efficient, we've chased this solution for Houston for five years to get to the point where we don't have enough buses or drivers to run current service.
South Boston MBTA Bus Situation
By plt3012
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 11:31am
As it was mentioned by another commentor, this is not a new situation. This was the reality in the pre-COVID years. YEARS!
There have been countless meetings and nothing has come from them. This situation can be seen at pretty much any bus stop in South Boston, especially along East Broadway.
We keep on hearing politicians telling us to ''Take the T." Ya. Right.
I used to make my medical appointments in the morning, but due to this situation, I now go in the afternoon. I also use Uber. The T is not reliable to the point I have confidence in getting to an appointment on time, without having to leave extra early.
Have a great day everyone!
Instead of scrolling through
By Rwgfy
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 12:16pm
Instead of scrolling through your Twitter feed, just walk a measly two miles.
Thank goodness for the millionaires tax
By robo
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 12:44pm
By years end, this will all be resolved
You're Right
By Pete X
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 12:56pm
Doing nothing would be much better.
The terrible T
By Timmy
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 1:22pm
I might have to start a dollar van business. This is a simple fix that should have been done already.Just run more busses.
The only thing I feel sorry about
By anon
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 2:36pm
is they actually have to go in person to work while across the street you have all these layabouts working remotely and are sneaking out to Starbucks for their caffeine fix.
Imagine,
By Mchatham
Wed, 07/12/2023 - 5:21pm
Imagine, what the lines would be like if these bus routes were free? It’s been like that since 2003 when I moved to Farragut rd. Just adjust and get to work.
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