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Some in JP grumble over lack of meetings about new Hubway stations
By adamg on Fri, 10/11/2013 - 7:51am
The Jamaica Plain Gazette reports, becomes part of the story when mayor's office tells it to file an official public-records request for information on just which groups city bike commissars contacted before installing the new stations.
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In other news,
In other news, there is absolutely nothing else worth complaining about or spending time with. After all, parking -- a true Boston tradition -- is at stake here. Gasp!
Get over yourself. The anti
Get over yourself. The anti-car self-righteousness is so tired around here. You never ride in a cab, take a bus or go anywhere in a vehicle? The hypocrisy astounds me! Universal Hub should be renamed Universal Spoke... everything revolves around hatred for motorized vehicles and a weirdly holy reverence for bicycles.
I don't bike very much
But thank you for exposing me for the hippy cyclist I truly must be!
here's another exposure - Rodolfo Bonilla
The guy who the Gazette quoted?
Yeah, he and his girlfriend tried to steal $300,000+ from an elderly man:
http://www.boston.com/news/local/breaking_news/200...
Fascinating that he's wandering the streets, available for interviews with the Gazette. Anyone care to dig up the court records?
Sounds like the Cycling Murrays
The Cycling Murrays don't own 5 houses from riding unicycles in parades. They get money from old people like my aunt, who they also got to sign over power of attorney to them and kept away family members much as has happened with Kasey Kasem and his wife refusing to allow any other family to see him.
Oy.
Yeah, because clearly if we're not whining about Hubways, we must hate cars. Awesome logic there.
anti-car???
hi! I bike to work because it saves me $200 a month (which allows us to afford both groceries and daycare). I care about bike issues because I want to be alive when I make it to either end. Not all of us can afford the luxury of driving everywhere. (btw - If I took the T it would be a 90 minute commute instead of 40 minutes by bike).
I don't really care that much about hubway since it's not in my neighborhood, but being able to bike around this city safely is important to a lot of people - adequate bike infrastructure places many neighborhoods within reach of a large segment of the population - something we all need to care about - and hubway is one piece of this puzzle.
So whenever I hear someone complaining about bike lanes or hubway, it makes me think they really just don't want young people or young families in this city. When you're making entry-level salaries, you can either afford rent/mortgage or a car - not both (I own, btw, and my taxes pay for the roads). Maybe if my family moved out to western mass we could possible afford both, but then there would be little to no opportunities for our careers.
we can talk about affordable housing until we're blue in the face, but you can't have this discussion without talking about other expenses, and transportation is a big one. Aside from walking, bikes are the cheapest way of getting people around - and it allows someone like me to live close in to the urban core. I have nothing against cars, btw... I like cars. it's just too damn expensive.
And taking cabs everywhere? That must be nice.
Fine then
Can we have a public meeting every time they issue a parking permit for a car?
We'll have to have two
I'm busy that day.
Different strokes for different folks
When people in Southie complain about the hubway stations, it's because they're ignorant dinosaurs. When people in JP complain about the hubway stations, it's because they're engaged citizens insisting that that a public process work properly.
Well the difference is when
Well the difference is when people in JP do it they don't end it with...."this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for busing."
Cause, because, because...
Many of the white people who now live in JP were only bused to their suburban schools in the bucolic tree filled mostly white wonderlands where they grew up. Do I have facts to back this up? No, but I'm not seeing a lot of the kids who I went to school with from early 80's, pre-Southwest Corridor, escape from Brookline rents, pre-Indonesian shadow puppet class, Jamaica Spain, still living in JP.
That's why people in JP don't end things with ...."this wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for busing."
If it wasn't for busing
You Yuppies wouldn't be so fast to move to Lilly white areas of the City.
Huh?
What now? Where would they be moving to?
The 'ism' that dare not spreak it's name in America
Classism. Particularly acute in the Boston area. If you're white, actually grew up in the city [not just Boston, could be in reference to Cambridge, Somerville, etc.], and are 'lower class' [anything precieved to be non 'professional', which in 2013 translates into anything non-white collar office / academia], you're 'trash'. If you God forbid have an accent different from that spoken in wealthy suburban Connectitcut, or Weston, Newton, etc. [especially the dreaded non-rhotic Boston or NYC accents], you're un-cultured and un-educated. If you get a coffee at Dunkin Donuts or God forbid 7-11, you're obviously lower class and un-hip. Get a coffee usually made from overly burnt coffee beans, or coffee 'drink' at Starbucks or an approved local coffee establishment [if they have organic tofu muffins made by a lesbian owned and operated Vermont farm, they are automatically approved], you're 'cultured'.
South Boston epitomizes to a certain class of people all that is un-PC about Boston; it's a traditionally mostly white 'ethnic' [unfortunately it has many of the un-chic kind of white ethnics, Irish and Polish] inner-city neighborhood. This obviously can't stand. Obviously those local white 'trash' are racist, homophobic, sexist, and have horrible, uncouth accents. How dare they complain. Now the folks complaining in JP are probably [from my experience] 'new commers', 'gentrifiers', 'professionals' ; they are cultured, 'speak well' [i.e., they don't have an accent, or think they don't], come from somewhere else [i.e., they aren't a dreaded 'local'].
The Boston Architectual Center [or whatever their name is today] were once sued for actively descriminating against white 'locals' from the Boston area, Irish and Italian descended locals were in particular referenced. And they lost in court. The court agreed they did actively descriminate against locals in their admissions process, appaarantly desiring a high degree of 'diversity', especially students from outside Greater Boston, the state. The locals are not exotic enough. Classism is alive and well in America, it's just unlike for example the UK [where it's very much openly discusssed and acknowledged], we Americans like to pretend we don't engage in such descrimination, we're above all that. No we aren't. I've lived in various parts of the U.S., and over-seas in Europe. It's an issue everywhere I've lived. Doesn't matter if you're in Los Angeles, Paris, or Boston.
Now if people with a Boston or NYC accent think they get shit on, try dealing with a strong southern accent, regardless of how educated and cultured you are.
This is very true.
Only poor white people can be racist and homophobic. Poor people of color are exotic, oppressed by the white man and could never be racist or homophobic. Also, almost all Hispanics born here have the so called "Boston" accent. But the idea that wherever poor people of color (often going by the code word "diverse") live is automatically liberal and free of the homophobia, sexism and racism that exist everywhere is a joke. It's a "progressive" fantasy. Of course, as soon as these beautiful white people move in, the "diversity" becomes a joke rather quickly (JP anyone?) As a mixed-race (Corsican, Spanish and African) Puerto Rican from Lynn, I can assure you, these things are QUITE present in our communities as well.
Blue Line dude , no capice ,
Blue Line dude , no capice , " Of course, as soon as these beautiful white people move in, the "diversity" becomes a joke rather quickly (JP anyone?) " , you do realize JP was already diverse, Irish and German ?
Exactly
It's because poor white townies dare to inconvenience the elitist liberals by living in their neighborhoods (southie, south end, jp) whereas the poor blacks living in isolated ghettoes (that were once thriving safe neighborhoods) are purely theoretical to them, and therefore perfect and infallible. I wonder how many of the uhub PC libs would start singing to a different tune if they're moved from their cozy $5k/month beacon hill pad to a place on Intervale st, surrounded by the people they seem to love so much. It's easy to shed abundant white guilt tears while reading Native Son in the comfort of your lily white affluent suburb, but it's an entirely different story when a band of modern-day Bigger Thomases trash your once safe neighborhood on a daily basis.
What.
Oh please
So, a large group of loud, belligerent, thuggishly-dressed black teens walks down Rozzi/Hyde Park/West Roxbury street, yelling obscenities and throwing trash on sidewalks. Some random old white townie shakes his head in disapproval, maybe even mutters the N word under his breath - OHMYGOD, RACISM, RACISM, DANGER, DANGER, POOR DISADVANTAGED MISUNDERSTOOD KIDS ARE JUST EXPRESSING THEMSELVES!!! Now imagine the same situation in Wellesley or some other posh white suburb - do you really think all the PC liberal suburbanites who love to stick racist labels on everyone they happen to disagree with will throw their doors open and invite the thugs in for a nice glass of chardonnay? Or, more realistically, how many calls do you think Wellesley PD is going to get, and how many heart attacks will it have to deal with?
Yeah, because...
The South End and JP are just overrun with "poor white townies." Um...yeah, OK.
I'm not saying Boston isn't
I'm not saying Boston isn't classist, because it is, but I'd love to see a citation on the BAC case you reference, considering they are now (and have been for a while) open admissions and the president is Ted Lansmark (you know, the guy from THAT picture)
Is there one of these
Is there one of these contraptions at Forest Hills ? Hyde Square , Egleston Square , wow , who knew. You've come a long way baby. Years ago all that would have been fodder for the scrap dealers . Bring back the trolley, save the bike riding for the Arbs. I could never understand how they dared to eliminate that trolley when it goes right by a VA hospital.
Personally...
I'd probably have aimed for a different spot for the Hubways than right in front of the P.O. on Centre. That corner is so crazy busy and I've had more near-doorings in that spot than I like to think about. Maybe around the corner on Myrtle, next to the church? That said, it's great to see Hubway in JP.
Agreed
Yes, I do question putting the bike rack right in front of the post office. Talk about maximum annoyance for motorists who just want to pull in and run something to the post office. They ought to move that rack right over in front of the church as you suggest or really just about anywhere else seems like it would be better. On a purely selfish note, I would vote that it to be right at the front door of Boomerangs. Or inside Boomerangs. The convenience of it! And I know that half of JP would agree with me. It is JP's community center after all.
Agreed
Yes, I do question putting the bike rack right in front of the post office. Talk about maximum annoyance for motorists who just want to pull in and run something to the post office. They ought to move that rack right over in front of the church as you suggest or really just about anywhere else seems like it would be better. On a purely selfish note, I would vote that it to be right at the front door of Boomerangs. Or inside Boomerangs. The convenience of it! And I know that half of JP would agree with me. It is JP's community center after all.
Bike racks
Should have parking meters installed on them so the freeloading bike owners can be fiscally responsible for all they ask for.
Let them pay for something like everyone else.
Did you say freeloading?
How does that work when the city hands out parking like candy?
How does that work when property taxes and income taxes contribute more to road costs than gas taxes or excise taxes on both a state and local basis?
Are you planning to give rebates to car-free and car-light households then? My neighbors don't have a car, and yet they end up paying for plowing of the roads but not the sidewalks or bus stops.
Are you planning to reduce the health insurance costs or give rebates to people who bike/walk/run to work and don't own cars, in consideration of their lower utilization?
Cars also damage the roads more than bikes do - although trucks are the biggest source of damage.
Make no mistake: motor vehicle infrastructure costs vastly more than drivers pay for it in direct vehicle costs. Non-drivers subsidize drivers. Just because you pay a little bit of gas tax and tolls and some excise tax doesn't mean that it covers the costs of your having a vehicle on the roadways - although that can be changed.
If you want to open this conversation, fine - this is a good conversation to have for the sake of discussing exactly how the subsidies work. Just be prepared to find out exactly who isn't paying anywhere near their full cost (hint - it isn't cyclists).
Personal use isn't the main benefit of roads
I'm sure your neighbors enjoy biking or walking to the store to purchase food and other necessities. If the roads were not cleared and maintained, these stores would be empty. I'm sure they would be even more disappointed if the fire truck or ambulance wasn't able to navigate the roads to their home if needed. Everyone benefits from road infrastructure whether they own a car or not. Who subsidizes what is nothing but a circle jerk akin to complaining about taxes going to the schools because you don't have kids.
Maybe
you should addressed that perfectly sensible comments to the poster whining about "freeloading " cyclists. I don't see people who bike on here complaining that they shouldn't have to pay taxes--for some reason it's only the bitter folk complaining about bikes who seem to think they they're the only ones on earth who pay taxes. I mean--they must've unearthed the secret documents showing how us tree-hugging, tofu muffin-eating bike-lovin' moonbats get a magic exemption from paying taxes...crap!!
I'll address whom I choose thanks
The "freeloader" comment was in regard to "bike racks" which last time I checked don't get much use from automobiles. Swirrly brought up taxes.
Riding bikes is cool. Tofu can be good as well.
Being self righteous is always lame.
Oooh! A discussion about economic externalities!
do continue, all!
Also, it would be good if someone gave a treatise on the tragedy of the commons with respect to (non-toll) roads, and also on opportunity cost as applied to transportation infrastructure!
You do realize that parking
You do realize that parking in JP is free, right?
And downtown or in busier parts of the city, I'd be glad to pay for entry to covered bike cages where I could lock up my bike, there was a separate lock on the outside of the cage, and video surveillance to deter thieves. They have such bike cages (for free) at some T stations like Forest hills, but I'd be willing to pay a bit for such things elsewhere in the city.
Paying just for a rack on the street is less enticing. It provides a lot less value than a covered, enclosed, and monitored bike cage, and there's very little cost associate with it for the city. What are you going to do, pay 5¢ an hour in proportion with the amount of space you take up compared to a car? At some point, it just becomes more hassle to collect the money than you'd make.
Maybe they should have had some community meetings
Just saying.
I think Hubway is great. Can't wait until they make it to Roslindale. I plan on biking to and from Forest Hills as much as possible, maybe even beyond. Still, one of the basic rules of local government is to have a meeting about a plan. From the story, it looks like they skipped that step. I don't see the station going in in front of the post office to say the least.
I can't vouch for every
I can't vouch for every station, but there have been public meetings held on some of the station placements.
I live in JP. I ride a bike,
I live in JP. I ride a bike, drive a car, take the T and walk, depending on needs, moods and circumstances. The appearance of the new Hubway stations was a surprise. When I see them, they are almost always full of bikes. Over-saturation, perhaps or too early to tell? I agree that the P.O. location is a particularly poor choice of locations.
No--they're definitely getting used.
But that said--they've only been there for a few days. I think it'll be great, though somehow I imagine that JP is probably the neighborhood in Boston with the highest levels of bike ownership. It's a pretty bike-friendly population and we have great bike paths etc. (obv...) but most people here have room to conveniently store a bike, unlike a lot of downtown, say.
Hubway great for bicycle owners
I don't live in JP, but I do own a bike and have convenient indoor storage for it. Still, I love Hubway and use it all the time. Why, when I already own a bike?
* Bike in shop
* Rode bike to work, raining in afternoon -- take T home, Hubway in next morning, ride my bike home
* Meeting spouse downtown after work: ride in am, T downtown, T home with spouse, Hubway to work next day
* Heading to Fenway, would rather not leave my bike near the stadium during a game.
I don't ride Hubway every day, but I use it often enough (and often without much prior planning) that it's well worth the membership fee.
Yeah, now that there are
Yeah, now that there are Hubway stations in JP, I may get a membership. There's already one a block from where I work, so it would be great for this use case; it was raining in the morning so I took the bus, but I can ride back home on the Hubway, or vice versa. I've already used it for getting downtown a few times after work when I've taken the bus in the morning.
Did the JP Gazette really
Did the JP Gazette really miss http://www.courbanize.com/boston/hubway-jprd/ ? I saw it promoted all over the place... honestly seems to many of us that they are paying attention to the wrong channels.
Gazette so irrelevant it doesn't read itself
Imminent Hubway arrival was reported in the Gazette in June, in an article that mentioned the online survey and named Nicole Freedman as the city staff person in charge of the siting.
http://jamaicaplaingazette.com/2013/06/21/hubway-m...
Maybe instead of complaining that the Gazette "was not notified" it could have actually published the URL of the site that was successfully used to solicit feedback on the proposed locations: http://www.courbanize.com/boston/hubway-jprd/
Instead the reporters find one crankpot who is complaining and use it to build an entire story. Yawn.
Your little world
Courbanize.com may just not be a site visited daily by the 600.000+ residents of Boston, especially given that the link you gave shows 24 followers.
Many people average less than an hour online every day. Imagine that. Some, like older people who are most in need of convenient parking spaces rather than clunky bicycles, don't spend any time online, let alone read small new web sites like courbanize. If any online sites, they gravitate to more established ones by existing print, TV, and radio.
Then there might even be some populations for whom English is not their native language. If they do read web or traditional media, its likely they favor sites in their native language. Might these also be populations unable to afford owning a bike and thus have more desire for rentals?
Its bad enough when public (MassDOT) meetings held in, say, a Brazilian neighborhood, aren't announced in their local media outlets, with no translators at the hearings, but to not have public meetings at all when deploying HubWay stations the public bought to property the public owns is poor public/customer service.
Finally, you make it seem like it was the Gazette's responsibility to communicate one obscure web site, rather than the City. Well, its not, its still the City's responsibility. Did the City contact the Gazette after noticing the web site wasn't given, asking them to update the story? The City also needs to get the word out of where to mail letters, a fundamental and legally recognized method of public feedback. Public notification is fundamental to open government and is the bigger issue than bicycles.
Convenient spaces for people with mobility issues
There are these things that people with limited mobility can easily obtain - they are called handicap placards.
There are these convenient spaces that are reserved for people with these handicap placards and plates - they are called "handicap parking spaces".
You can even use the handicap placard when your friend or relative is driving - so you don't even need to drive if you aren't up for it anymore, but you can still use the convenient spaces.
If you have so very much difficulty navigating the physical world that two random parking spaces would make any difference at all, get a placard and you will have access to the most convenient spots. If you don't, go fish.
That is true, Swirly...
but the sticky thing is having a handicap placard does not guarantee you a handicap space! And the availability of said handicap parking space may vary depending on how many are available, in total, at any specific location. I have driven seniors to various activities, using a handicap placard, and quite a few times we had to pick a less convenient, non-handicap parking space because there were only two handicap spaces and both were full.
Possibly the point the poster was trying to make is that by sticking a hubway station (I am all for these things, BTW) in front of the PO, taking what appears to be 2-3 parking spaces, is not the best policy, for older folks and younger folks that wish to do business at the PO via car not bike. And if you are the person in need of one of the two "random parking spaces", as you describe them, it does make a difference and really has nothing with one's ability or inability to navigate "the physical world".
Well then
Perhaps, as the population ages, we should expand the availability of priority parking for those who need it.
One could also argue that the availability of bike and car sharing programs reduces car ownership, which reduces the competition for the remaining spaces not taken by bike and car-sharing facilities.
swrrly, I don't understand,
swrrly, I don't understand, what do you have against the elderly and those who are physically impaired? This person made a very valid point regarding handicap parking spaces in front of the post office. If someone is able to ride a bike, I think they can handle parking it a little bit further away from the post office. btw, do you have a driveway at home for your gas-guzzler? If so, how convenient for you. So, as long as you have yours, screw everyone else, right? You don't even live in the city. Why are you so overly concerned with what goes on here?
Please read what I posted
I have no problem with elderly and impaired people using cars. I most certainly have no issue with people having and using handicap placards.
If they need them, they should get them. If they need them it is not hard to get them. You don't have to be in a wheelchair to get them, either.
If there are not usually enough spots in a given area or lot, there should be more.
What part of all of that are you not comprehending? Why is saying that people can get placards, use them, and that there should be MORE parking for such persons being "against the elderly and physically impaired"???
Besides, the fewer cars there are competing for space, the easier it will be to accommodate those with mobility impairments. Every time I use my bike to do errands, there is more space available for those who have no other options.
I do live in the city by the way ... one of the most densely populated cities in the US. I live closer to City Hall than Adam does, and spend 60+ hours a week in Boston proper. Also, you know anything about air pollution? It doesn't give a frack where it is generated, or if it is "in the city" as you define it. Transportation policies in Boston affect the entire airshed.
Not everyone want or gets a Handicapped placard
You completely missed the whole point of my comment to focus on a minor point. The point was that public process is vital, and the topic far less so. Oh, nitpicking is your little world!
Until I get my knees replaced, I can't ride a bike. I can still walk reasonable distances until the bone on bone wear causes too much inflammation and pain, so I have not yet tried to get a placard. Still, I rather park shorter distances from destination than longer ones, as do other boomers who have not all gotten Handicapped documents yet.
It truly is logical that able bodied bicyclists have their bike racks and hubway stations located farther away than closer to destinations. It gives them more exercise, which is much of the point of bicycling anyway, isn't it?
The more people use hubway for errands
The more parking spaces are available for those who need them.
Just like some of the 20 people who locked their bikes to that 1 parking space bike rack on Elm in Somerville might have driven and taken street spaces if that rack was not available.
Have you asked your doctor for a placard? Sounds like you are ready for one.
(I have knee arthritis myself, so I understand where it goes)
Pregnancy placards too?
Just today a friend who is 8 months pregnant had an interest in going to Oktoberfest in Harvard Square to walk around a very little bit, hear music, eat food, see stuff for sale. The bad news, however is that streets were blocked, and parking is already damn inconvenient and expensive if you can find it. So, we passed on the unfriendly event. Parking remotely and taking the T just isn't practical with a bladder compressed by a baby. When she has an infant, will she bike? No. Does she get a placard? No.
Cyclists are able bodied, so put hubway stations farther away from destinations and don't needlessly remove parking spaces. Its an opportunity to keep parking spaces and unburden them.
Yeah...
Because no pregnant women can take the T or walk (or bike, for that matter). We're just all consigned to being driven around in an Escalade until we give birth. Sob!
Honestly...keep posting. It just gets better every time.
Big difference between pregnant and 8 MONTHS pregnant
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I can only relate what my very pregnant (1st time) friend said. She walked and did yoga through much of her pregnancy. After two bouts of early contractions, doctors wanted her to stay in bed and/or take hormone shots to suppress contractions (she refused the drugs). I suppose you are the expert on that and everyone else's business? My friend is the one not up to much walking or time away from a bathroom. She surprisingly wants to protect the life inside her and feels far greater protection inside her Honda Fit than playing in traffic on a bicycle.
Sally, keep up the stupid, senseless attacks on people.
Just one question
> doctors wanted her to stay in bed and/or take hormone shots to suppress contractions
Why would she even consider going out to Octoberfest if she was under doctor's orders to remain in bed?
OK now
Premature contractions had stopped a week before, and she is now just a couple days from being full term (fully baked). She was getting stir crazy from being in bed and wanted to get out of the house for a little while. Imagine that.
Because Legos Are Not The Only Cool Thing In Denmark
http://www.copenhagenize.com/2011/09/cycling-with-...
WTF? Danish women don't home birth?
Give them an old bike tire to chomp down on for the pain while they give birth squatting over the cargo bin on their bike! Until then, she can work the fields and milk the cows! What better way for a husband to make a woman feel supported than by making her bicycle herself to a hospital to give birth! For the ride home after the delivery, she might want a little more padding on the seat.
At the time bicycles were invented, women gave birth at home, so what's with making women in labor have to pedal to a hospital? Can't a doctor or nurse pedal out to her house where birthing will be more comfortable and calm than a sterile institution?
From the linked story by a divorced guy: "Cycling whilst pregnant is virtually prescribed here in Denmark and there is no reason not to do it. Beats walking by a long shot, easy on the back and it increases your mobility radius while giving you decent exercise."
I am the opposite, I park
I am the opposite, I park further away in parking lots, so I can get in and out of my truck ( a small one Swirls , not a guzzler ) without being jammed in by the next spot parker. I dont want a placard because I would be afraid they would take away my John Deere or some other technicality in the fine print , and there are more people more immobile than i am at times. Last bike I was on didnt go anywhere, it was at pt.
Poorly thought out?
I filled out the on-line survey. It would be interesting to learn what spots other JP residents chose for the Hubway stations. A spot that I recommended was the Green Street T station as well as South or Center. My thinking is that Hubway could provide a spoke to Green Street reducing time spent walking to and from the T stop. Roxbury Crossing as a Hubway station. So could Green Street.
But for a city employee to respond with barking that the Gazette has to file a FOIA request hopefully means that the staff person who made the response is simply incompetent in that job. This is too small a matter to escalate the issue to FOIA. That implies a mistrust if not adversarial view of the Gazette.
But are there any neighborhood groups that can truly be considered representative of everyone who lives in JP? I've lived in JP for 5 years. Most of what I've seen of community groups has been the farce arising from protests against Whole Foods. Can community groups address problems such as noise from boom-boom cars and after market mufflers on motorcycles, trash pollution from school students or other quality of life issues?
I do wish that Hubway had installed the stations earlier this year. Why purchase an annual membership for a season about to close? All in all this expansion seems rushed and done because someone said it had to be done instead of actually thinking it out. But then that Hubway took this long to reach JP makes me wonder whether how well the Hubway station planners actually understand public transportation in the city.
Herald column forthcoming
This is one of those stories that just "writes itself" for the Herald... I can see it now... in the "People's Republic of Jamaica Plain"... "bike nuts oppose public bike stations because they weren't consulted"... The column will surely compare this "lack of gratitude" to trust fund kids spitting in the eye of the parents who paid for their educations... yada yada...
And while I can agree with several "sides" of the multiple arguments above, and there are surely multiple opinions within JP itself, the community will be painted with one broad stroke. And some of that is the fault of the Gazette & the initial complainers... and some of the fault is yours!
Notification
The City publicized that courbanize link through multiple outlets: their own email newsletters (including Boston Bikes), newspapers, blogs, etc. They also consulted with neighborhood and business groups, as they typically do. They're not going to flyer a neighborhood or come knocking on doors for every issue that needs to be decided. It's not practical or cost-effective. People need to make an effort to get plugged in. With that said, I do think it would be useful for the City to create neighborhood-specific email newsletters (monthly perhaps) that aggregates all the latest projects and meetings that the public can become engaged in.
And what is so wrong with having a meeting?
I did just visit the courbanize website, and from what I can figure, they are sticking a hubway spot on top of the Casey overpass and another one in the Middle of Hyde Park Ave.
Seriously, though, the site does not show the locations of the planned spots. (My guess is that they will be to the north of the Orange Line entrance.)
Nicole Freeman looks bad on this. Not only did she not have the meeting that everyone wants (well, the people who gripe about these things, at least) but she didn't want to talk to the local newspaper, you know, the one who should have published the silly "go to this website if you're interested" notice.
Remember, I'm not anti-Hubway. The process in this case was a steaming pile of something. Schedule a meeting, get a space, send a notice to the Gazette (and, and, there's someone else, right) put the notice on web pages, Boston Bikes, and so on. This isn't the Casey overpass. Some tweaks could have calmed people. The process works when it is followed. It really does. Unless it's something like the Casey Overpass or Green Line restoration, but come on, this is a bike station.
And yet...
I don't really see evidence of a mass neighborhood freak out here. Kind of like Whole Foods, kind of like the Casey. A really, really small number of people are ticked off--like infinitesimally small--and some news outlet jumps on it and creates a "controversy." And then a bunch of us knuckleheads jump in and turn it into a bunch of yuppie vs Barney screeds.
Everyone but Swirly...,
....is right.
I heart you too, babe :)
What is this comment
adding to this discussion?
I'm going to guess this was most likely misposted, since it doesn't in any way relate to the thread.
Ah, my little provocateur
So, you haven't learned your lesson just yet?
That bike chain I just replaced - the old one has made a nice flail ... but I'm sure you are looking forward to Tuesday ...
Even if there'd been piles of
Even if there'd been piles of meetings, where would it have ended up on Centre except for in front of the post office? In front of a private business, you'd have people that want to park directly in front of it as well as the private business owner complaining about a loss of parking. In front of the post office, you just have the former.
Mayors office forgot to consider the JP post office
Its been tough for all the cats and people who use the JP post office.. as now there is literally nowhere to drive up with your holiday packages unless you are carrying your packages on a bicycle. Makes no sense.
Station should be gone before Xmas
HubWay pulls up its stations in winter, so people shipping holiday packages should be OK. If enough people bitch about the locations, perhaps the City will do a better job on getting public input and a meeting or two.
Post office should be accessible year-round
Oh yes, you reminded us that we also need access to the post office so we can send packages year round.
Sheesh.
It's like--what? A parking space and a half? Deal. JP isn't the North End or Beacon Hill. There's plenty of parking if you can handle walking half a block or so.
I don't understand why people
I don't understand why people who ride a bike are more important than everyone else.
And I don't understand
this boo-hoo mentality from drivers like yourself who believe that giving up 20 feet of parking means that "people who ride a bike are more important than everyone else."
boohoo to you
Sally, I'm a walker not a driver. Thanks for playing though!
I'm neither booing nor hooing
And I honestly can't understand how a "walker" (aren't we all?) is negatively impacted by a Hubway station or why you'd think that cyclists are somehow impinging on your rights in any way.
You do realize that adding a
You do realize that adding a single Hubway station that takes up maybe two parking spaces, leaving dozens of other parking spaces nearby, does not mean that "people who ride a bike are more important than everyone else", right?
If you look at the amount of car parking compared to the amount of bike parking in the area, you will find that if anything, people who drive a car are considered to be more important than everyone else.
Quit your whining. The world
Quit your whining. The world doesn't revolve around you. Glad you aren't related to or a friend to someone who is handicap and needs that parking space in front of the post office. Spoiled brats!
Were these handicap spots?
If not, chances are they would never be available anyway.
Lucky there are parking spots at all
Should consider it lucky to be able to park on Centre or South streets in Jamaica Plain at all right?
If the MBTA hadn't gone back on their promise for real train service to Arborway there would still be trolley tracks and no parking along the entirety of Centre and South street where the trolley would be street running. Think how angry that would make all these parking hogs... why they might have to take public transit or ride a bike with the rest of us plebians.
Kat , when there were
Kat , when there were trolleys running , there was parking on Centre and South streets. As well as S Huntington ave , especially in front of Triple D's.
Does the city follow its own rules?
Signs must be posted to notify the public about all kinds of things -- zoning hearings, removal of street trees, etc.
Did the city post anything at the future Hubway locations?