NECN reports the Boston Licensing Board this morning set the border of Starbucks Nation at Dorchester Street when it sided with residents - and the mayor - and rejected a food-serving license for a Starbucks at L Street and East Broadway.
The board agreed with residents who argued yesterday there's no public need for another coffee place at an intersection that already has five within a block. Starbucks has a number of outlets in the Seaport area and on West Broadway.
The vote is another setback for building owner Michael Norton, who signed a deal with Starbucks for the space after the licensing board rejected his request for a liquor license for the Italian restaurant he wanted to put in there.
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This is how zoning boards
By different anon
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 4:40pm
This is how zoning boards work all over this region. They have to decide when to grant residential exceptions or approve certain businesses. It's nothing unusual, and its how many local towns have retained their character.
I've never been to a Starbucks
By GoSoxGo
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 3:43pm
but I think this is an asinine decision by the licensing board.
The liquor license should have been approved in the first place. The arbitrary liquor license laws make it next to impossible to get new locally-owned restaurants in the city, unless you want to be forced to locate it where it may not match your business plan.
Why on earth would you turn down a food license for any coffee shop? Is it zoned for a commercial business such as a coffee shop? If so, approve it!
Too many coffee shops? The board should have no say in the matter. That's for the market to decide.
The neighborhood doesn't want it? The people who show up at licensing board meetings are usually there to oppose something. 65 people opposed it? What about the other 30,000 people in the neighborhood who wanted it or don't care one way or another, but had better things to do than attend a licensing board meeting? If it weren't for Adam, how would we know about it until after the fact?
Too many Starbucks? The Seaport and Broadway Station are nowhere near City Point. Definitely not walking distance. Hop on the #9? Hop on the #7? Good luck finding a seat. There are no buses that even go to the Seaport besides the #7, which only runs down Summer Street.
Oh, they want people to get in a car and drive to the nearest Starbucks and double-park there. Ah, I get it.
And Mayor Walsh lobbied against the Starbucks? Further proof that he is completely out of touch. One term, indeed.
Idiots.
"Too many coffee shops? The
By different anon
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 6:00pm
"Too many coffee shops? The board should have no say in the matter. That's for the market to decide."
This is nothing new. Most cities have boards to try to make sure each neighborhood has a reasonably decent mix of businesses.
Why not Andrew?
By TommyJeff
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 3:36pm
Sure its rough around the edges but T and highway access are leaps and bounds above the rest of Southie.
It aint gonna be shitty forever.
Don't worry
By GoSoxGo
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 10:26pm
That's coming soon. Maybe even a supermarket (would love to see Trader Joe's). Starbucks? We'll see.
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Couldn't be happier
By SouthieLocal
Thu, 05/05/2016 - 7:16pm
The last thing i want to do after sitting in traffic coming up L st from the tunnel (surrounded by suburanites cutting thru mind you) is to dodge even more swinging double parked car doors at the biggest intersection in City Point.
Starbucks would of been great
By Jay
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 12:07am
Starbucks would of been great there. Dunkin Donuts got approval to open on L Street and there are many locations in Southie. At least Starbucks is a place you can meet a friend for coffee and have a conversation.
Maybe a Peets Coffee or Cafe Nero will be interested in the space.
Oh the
By bulgingbuick
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 8:24am
humanity.
Actual study done?
By Kaz
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 10:30am
If none of the competitors were able to present a study of what another coffee shop would have done to their business, then why did anything they had to say get noted with any credence?
I run Business A, a dry cleaners. I am the only dry cleaner in 1 mile. Another dry cleaner wants to open on the next block. I go complain about how it's going to "detract from my business". Well, no shit. I'm the only dry cleaners within a mile. Of course it's going to "detract from my business". And maybe they have economies of scale because they send the dry cleaning out to a central facility because they're a regional/national chain with resources. So, they can charge less than me. That might even put me out of business. But these are the risks of doing business! Using the licensing laws as protectionism is nanny state bullshit.
So now, let's say there are Businesses A through G, all dry cleaners. Business H arrives. Now, 7 businesses and their loyal patrons go shout about how Business H would be "one too many dry cleaners" in our neighborhood. It'll pull from all their businesses. The most fragile of which might die because they've been barely holding on among 7 and won't survive being 1 of 8 (even though that's not actually how market is directly shared among competing businesses).
Then you could do the study. You could ask if the A-G neighborhood is at "peak dry cleaners". Is that part of Southie at "peak coffee"? I doubt it. I bet people get Starbucks at the other end of their commute, or leave the neighborhood to sit at a Starbucks or other cafe, or go without, or just go home and brew some coffee with Starbucks beans they bought while they were out, and so on. But if you're company A-G, then why would you say anything other than "they're going to make me go out of business; you have to stop them from opening!" if given the choice?
PS - I don't want to hear one name from that meeting ever come up in the context of "where are my kids going to get a summer job?" or anything else. Because right now, you have a vacant store front. Starbucks was bringing jobs to fill that storefront and you told them to shove off.
Salad Place
By JustinDK
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 11:16am
I bet a Sweetgreens or Tossed would excel in this location
Then open one!
By bosguy22
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 11:27am
I'm sure a lot of things could do well there, but I don't have any interest in opening a business there. Starbucks did.
Indeed
By johnmcboston
Sun, 05/08/2016 - 9:34pm
Didn't one article say this has been vacant for a few years now???
How about a retail front to
By Katie
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 1:58pm
How about a retail front to sell spot savers?
I'm pretty sure NStar and
By MattyC
Fri, 05/06/2016 - 2:48pm
I'm pretty sure NStar and Natl Grid give those out for free all the time.
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