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Sad and dumb. At this point
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 7:55am
Sad and dumb. At this point it just feels like the organizers are doing this because they don't want to be seen as backing down. Such a stupid hill to die on. At this point, even the VA does LGBTQ support, Trans therapy, etc. Admit you were wrong and grow up. Or, just quietly and sneakily change your policy without fanfare.
Dying Boomers
By anon²
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:21am
Nope, it's just the same fuck you, I got mine mentality that encompasses a large swath of that entire generation. And yes, they will be dead soon.
Nothing will really get better in this country
By TommyJeff
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:55am
Until the last boomer is dead.
Oh really?
By lbb
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:45am
The boomers that you mock and derogate are also the people who created the antiwar movement, and who sustained it while you had your head stuck in your nintendo. They are the people who created the gay rights movement and got gay civil rights as a matter of law in Massachusetts and other states while you were crapping your diapers. They are the people who I see actually showing up to do the hard work of the various progressive movements today, the work that's done behind the scenes, as opposed to showing up for a big gaudy rally. But for you, they're a convenient scapegoat, easy to mock with ageist slurs. And you really think that things will get better when these people are dead and you have the sandbox all to yourself? I guess you'll find out when it happens.
Stupid Argument
By BostonDog
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:57am
It's pretty meaningless to attack or defend a huge generation of people. Obviously there are great people and horrible people within any given age range.
who created the antiwar
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:59am
HOW DARE MILLENIALS NOT BE OLD ENOUGH TO HAVE VOTED AGAINST THE WAR THAT MY GENERATION APPROVED GOD WHAT IS IT WITH KIDS AND THEIR VIDEO GAMES GRUMBLE GRUMBLE.
Sorry, you guys don't get a pass for token resistance against something you're also responsible for starting. Millennials were just starting to graduate highschool at the oldest end, and we weren't the ones using "freedom fries" seriously. But hey we went and died for y'all to have cheap gas so. A+ there.
Painting a single group of people with a broad brush
By Daan
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:18am
is an application of prejudice. All that is accomplished is to turn away people who would be your friends and companions in any good work.
Track Record
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:53am
Nope. Just a reflection of the track record of destroying everything.
Generations
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:26am
As a Boomer myself, I find this widespread condemnation of Boomers by Millennials a new and somewhat jarring phenomenon, but not an unexpected one. It's only natural. No less a Boomer icon than John Lennon once said "our children will hate us too, you know", just as us Boomers didn't hold much truck with the so-called "Greatest Generation" that came before us. The generation that started both WW2 AND the Vietnam War. And so it goes.
One big caveat
By anon²
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 2:08pm
The Greatest Generation left their children a country better off.
Boomers can't say the same, and every year it's getting worse and worse. And now with this administration, clean air and water is on the block as well, which was just about the only thing they can say they're handing off better.
A lot of the animosity stems from seeing a generation with so much, still taking it all the way to the grave with little concern for their legacy (ie children and grandchildren) who are going to have to make due with much less unless there are big policy changes from the current crop of leaders.
Wait a Minute
By Laura82
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 2:34pm
The median wage has been flat since the 70s. Boomers were born between 1946-1964. I don't know where this idea comes from that everything was easy for them--and I'm 34. Generational division is just another way of turning ordinary people against each other instead of blaming the politicians and lobbyists.
First of all
By TommyJeff
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 3:05pm
I had a Commodore64 and Colecovision.
Secondly, the greatest generation handed you idiots the literal world on a platter.
And you effed it up. Bigly.
Wrong
By lbb
Thu, 03/09/2017 - 12:58pm
The "greatest generation" themselves inherited -- didn't create -- a world where, for a few nations (primarily the United States) there was a period of artificial prosperity caused by the fact that everyone else's industrial production capacity had been bombed into rubble and ours hadn't. That prosperity lasted until the conditions that created it no longer held. Why you or anyone believe that the "greatest generation" created that prosperity or that baby boomers "effed it up" is beyond me. Maybe you'll study some history some day and learn better.
Define artificial
By anon²
Thu, 03/09/2017 - 2:48pm
Nation States are artificial constructs we apply to the world as well. Economic systems too. That doesn't make them any less real.
Policy matters, and the the Greatest Generation decided to radically try something different and it worked. Skip to present day and Germany currently implements many of the same policy ideas we have abandoned, and it's working there just as well in the international economy.
It's as if educated people that have good infrastructure and money in their pockets lifts all boats in non-zero sum economics.
Thankfully.
By Heather
Fri, 03/10/2017 - 5:24pm
Thankfully.
it's time to move this parade
By Formerly-SoBo-Yuppie
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 8:55am
it's time to move this parade to boylston street and fewnay.
the parade caters to 4 groups of people (none of which live in South Boston):
1. families that got priced out and live on the south shore.
2. College kids
3. suburban teenagers.
4. Bros that got priced out and live in dorchester now.
In 2017, the actual residents living in South Boston do not want this parade. Move it!...or better yet, do the entire city a favor and cancel it.
- A South Boston Community Member
We don't want it either. Don
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:50am
We don't want it either. Don't send your trash here. They are your problem.
Eh..
By Formerly-SoBo-Yuppie
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:01am
you deal with that trash 81 times a year when the sox have a home. what's one more?
I would disagree
By eekanotloggedin
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:47am
When I worked in a public school in Southie, the teachers and families who were from multigenerational South Boston families were mostly ALL about the parade. The only people who didn't seem to support it were people of color, immigrants, and non-Christian folks. The teachers in the public schools in Southie talk freely about the parade and assume all families support it and wish to attend. Long-time Southie folks can't seem to wrap their minds around how SAINT Patrick's Day is not a holiday that all people celebrate or appreciate having talked about constantly in their public schools. And yes, if they were teaching the history of this holiday or any culture's holiday, that would be great, but I didn't ever observe that, just teachers mocking children who didn't wear green, having their students make fucking leprechaun traps, and assuming that their Muslim students would be psyched to go to a drunken parade about a Catholic saint. Oh, and telling kids that mentioning the pride parade is inappropriate.
1980
By Formerly-SoBo-Yuppie
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 1:33pm
1980 was about 3 decades ago. South Boston has changed drastically.
Whut
By eekanotloggedin
Thu, 03/09/2017 - 1:16pm
I don't disagree with your assertions about 1980, but I worked there in 2015.
The parade is definitely not
By Metoo
Thu, 03/09/2017 - 4:49pm
The parade is definitely not just watched by old Southie. Plenty of families of color and of different religions attend the parade if they live in South Boston.
Protest a parade?
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:13am
The St P Parade has 1st amendment rights. I'm not interested in shutting it down.
That written, at what point is simply not going no longer enough? At what point do we call out those who participate in the parade as contributing to the bigotry with action? Is peacefully but vocally protesting a parade even a thing?
It's not quite as cut-and-dry
By DTP
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:44am
It's not quite as cut-and-dry about that, considering the parade expends public resources, and even if not an 'official' city event, may as well be.
Plus, the first amendment still doesn't give someone the right to discriminate - see all the court cases arising out of businesses refusing to serve LGBT people.
Right
By eekanotloggedin
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:48am
Is it time for another court case on this one? It seems that there's now precedent that the current ruling probably wouldn't stand.
Is it necessary though?
By Scauma
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:13am
First and foremost, I support gay rights, marriage, equality, and whatever else they feel they need or want. In general, I support equality for everyone. That said, is it really necessary to be gay about everything all the time? If black veterans wanted to march under a 'black and proud' banner, or if female vets wanted to march under a 'feminism' banner, would they need to make a big deal about it every year? If you're a veteran and you want to march, then march. I mean we get it, there are gay veterans, so what. Everything in today's world is about what makes me different than you, richer, poorer, black, white, gay, straight. For once can't they all just be veterans who fought for this country and deserve our utmost respect, regardless of any silly differences or proclivities?
First they came for the Stormtroopers..
By anon²
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:02am
But that is not, nor ever has been what the parade allows. If you have two legs they let your group march, unless you like other dudes or dudettes.
The other issue is the city spends considerable time and resources on this, shuts down city streets, asks the MBTA to divert buses and provide more transportation, ect. It's essentially a city sanctioned event, and being sanctioned it shouldn't be allowed to be exclusionary to some residents and not others.
Mah'ty is got a spring problem on his hand. Last month he was reaping the rewards for his speech on the common, but this time he's going to have to actually show some action.
Did he mouth off a check his ass won't cash when it's a bit tougher? Looks like we shall find out.
Mayor Walsh won't march in the parade if Outvets are excluded
By Ron Newman
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:16am
from the Globe:
This is consistent with past actions by both Mayors Walsh and Menino.
REALLY?
By Marco
Thu, 03/09/2017 - 10:38am
cuz he sure as hell marched last year. I was there screaming "ONE-TERM-MAY-OR clap-clap-clapclapclap" at him....
Lsat year, Outvets was in the parade
By Ron Newman
Thu, 03/09/2017 - 10:42am
so there was no reason for Marty to avoid the parade.
Does the St Patricks Parade
By Kinopio
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:46am
Does the St Patricks Parade need to be so Irish about everything all the time? I mean we get it, there are Irish people, so what.
Yeah
By Michael
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:48am
Typical liberal identity politics...when's the Not-Irish Pride Parade?
I wish they we're more Irish
By anon²
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:04am
Maybe they could follow their fore-bearers and stop being such pisshead twats.
http://time.com/4114286/ireland-same-sex-marriage-...
being born is not an accomplishment
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 12:40pm
You don't choose your parents. You do choose what you do after you're born and deliberately excluding members of the public because you don't approve means you're an asshole. I don't approve of old school South Boston bigotry - where's my parade?
Scauma
By Formerly-SoBo-Yuppie
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 9:49am
the tone and text in your post is exactly why it is necessary.
one a side note, remember there are 35,000 resident sin south boston now. i would bet my life that less 5,000 actually want the parade.
- A South Boston Community Member.
SoBo Yuppie
By Scauma
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:20am
Please elaborate. In my experience most people support gay rights, they just don't want to hear about it all the time.
tru
By Scumquistador
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:27am
People that dont have the same rights as everybody else should probably just simmer down - Scauma, 2017
What rights don't gay people have?
By Scauma
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:49am
I'll wait..
If you have to ask that question
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:00am
You need to either wake up, grow up, or study up.
I won't do your homework for you, dear.
Dear?
By Doug1001
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 2:39pm
I thought I was the only one you called dear....this is devastating. Oh well.
Well, for starters, in 28
By Ellen
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:03am
Well, for starters, in 28 states they can be fired for being gay
http://www.hrc.org/state_maps
By anon
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:13am
http://www.hrc.org/state_maps
:)
You want a list?
By Kaz
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:19am
Hospital visitation, equal employment protection, living wills...
How do you turn on a computer?
By Michael
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:09am
I'll wait..
I think it is very important
By Metoo
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:09am
I think it is very important for children to see that there is acceptance of the LGBT community. Also as a lesbian woman I would love to not be "different". I would love to have dinner out with my beautiful wife and not be stared at if God forbid she holds my hand. I would love to not give people a heart attack when we kiss in public on South Boston streets or any streets for that matter. We don't feel different but other people see us differently. The only way to hopefully fix this is to knowingly be around people that are different than you and by spending time with them and in doing this people will see that we are not so different at all. If everyone just pretends to be straight then nothing gets done. Ughh. Sorry for rambling.
Cry me a river
By Scauma
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:30am
-That sounds harsh, but the point is: lots of people deal with discrimination, or disapproving looks. It's not exclusive to the LGBTQ community. You can't ask to be equal, and then look for some sort of special perk or provision. The only thing that changes perceptions is time. I don't see interracial couples being harassed like they were in the 60's right? Young kids are the most accepting of differences and they'll grow up in a world where being gay or transgender is accepted and not uncommon. Can you change the opinions of the older generation, of course not. I'm sure muslims wish they didn't get disconcerting looks when they board planes, I wish I wasn't still, in 2017 followed around certain stores. But it is what it is because people suck. And old habits/beliefs die hard.
As interracial lesbian couple
By Metoo
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:45am
As interracial lesbian couple with two children I think we know a little bit about all of that and I am certainly not crying at all. Of course other people are discriminated against but we are talking about LGBT people in this post and we are talking about the South Boston St. Patrick's Day Parade. I wish I could agree that it's just the older folks that still have issues with gay people but it's simply not true.
Yes, people suck.
By Scauma
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 4:15pm
No argument there. Shoot in this thread there are probably people who think I suck. We can't wish hate out of people. We can't wish misery out of people. I don't understand why it is so important for gay vets to be able to march with their banner in this parade. Should they be able too? Personally I couldn't careless because I'm indifferent. I don't hate gay people, or any other group. If I was at the parade and saw a gay flag or banner, I wouldn't think twice about it. Same goes for any other banner I saw. I believe in human rights for all, period. I just don't see the reason to cry about it all the time. And listen, I'm black. Nothing that's derogatory or racist or homophobic coming out of Southie surprises me.
I don't see interracial couples being harassed
By spin_o_rama
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 10:53am
http://nypost.com/2017/01/17/interracial-couple-ge...
http://www.fox25boston.com/news/man-accused-of-unp...
http://dailyfreepress.com/2016/12/01/more-than-500...
Oh but you said like they did in the 60s, so yay that people aren't getting killed over this and are "only" getting assaulted? Get bent dude.
Ok...
By Scauma
Wed, 03/08/2017 - 11:07am
Apparently I need to be more clear. Hate, will never end completely. Mainly because there will always be people who are miserable and misery loves company. Certainly no one believes interracial couples deal with the same issues today that they did 50+ years ago. Does that mean everything is lovey-dovey and kumbaya, of course not.
Obama was elected because Bush was viewed as such a terrible president. I firmly believe he would not have stood a chance under more normal circumstances. That said, Trump was elected because the 'MAGA' crowd felt like they were losing 'their' country and they want to stop the browning of America. Trump's election has empowered the more racist among us. That's sad, but hardly a surprise. Race relations, despite the articles you reference is tremendously better than it was in the 60's, in much the same way the LGBTQ crowd will be much more accepted in the future. But things take time, or more succinctly, old people and out dated ideals die. That's just reality.
To the topic at hand, yes there are people who hate gays, or transgenders, or whomever else happens to be different than them. But those are small minded people that will very soon be left behind with there old ways of thinking. Should gay people be able to march, yes. Do they need to do so carrying a banner that proclaims their gayness? That's open to debate. Should they cry and throw a hissy fit because they can't? Well that's also open to debate. We all have our issues, as individuals and as groups, whether that's black people, white people, gays, or whoever else.
If this was a gay pride parade, go for it. Carry all the banners and signs and whatever else you want to proclaim your proud-ness. But not everything has to be turned into a gay rights diatribe, that's when people who are wholly in different start to tune out.
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